is there a point requirement to be in the allstar game?

he's been 2 years in a row, and had there been one this year, he likely would have been there again.

considering he's only been in the league 4 full seasons, i'd say that's pretty good.

and your welcome for the education, it's clear you have a lot to learn
- sensarmy_11

Oh dont even get me started on all star selection criteria... THat is the biggest (frank)ing joke and one the league should have worked on during the lockout... I am surprised Paul Kariya name still is not on a ballet... it should be based solely on performance and stats... not favsies... thats what makes it laughable to the degree of peeing oneself...

The average is 6 years mostly because of plugs, and the average of 6 years hardly can even be mentioned with the word perennial, since it's basically the opposite of the meaning...
- SpoiledByOil

Well, there then seems to be three alternatives.

1) Predict how many years Yandle's career will be, and thus how many years he'll need to be an all-star to be a perennial all-star.

2) Conclude that no one can be a perennial all-star by a) the strict definition of perennial and b) the inability to see the future.

3) Use "perennial" in a loose sense once a player has accumulated a sufficient number of all-star seasons either consecutive or practically consecutive.

You seem to find 3) an unacceptable way to go, I dislike 1) and 2). Agree to disagree.

EDITED FOR CLARITY. My bad.

Are you less bum hurt if i say he's been an allstar the last 2 years, rather then perennial?

When you start to argue semantics, it just means that your original point was probably wrong, and in this case, dumb.
- sensarmy_11

Schultz will get more points than Yandle this year and will continue to do so, that was my point that was my opinion then you went off like some all knowing little dbag trying to act intelligent and belittle other peoples opinions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're an only child. Come talk to me when I'm wrong, I'm willing to bet that I won't be though. You do e-transfers?

Well, there then seems to be three alternatives.

1) Predict how many years Yandle's career will be, and thus how many years he'll need to be an all-star to be a perennial all-star.

2) Conclude that no one can be a perennial all-star by a) the strict definition of all-star and b) the inability to see the future.

3) Use "perennial" in a loose sense once a player has accumulated a sufficient number of all-star seasons either consecutive or practically consecutive.

Use seem to find 3) an unacceptable way to go, I dislike 1) and 2). Agree to disagree.
- Morris

Perennial definition: lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time... Synonyms: Perpetual-Everlasting-eternal-permanent

So many people on here wif dey fancy edumacations making all us regular folk look da fool..... Oh Lordy lord how I wish I could gets me some dat fancy edumacation

Perennial definition: lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time... Synonyms: Perpetual-Everlasting-eternal-permanent

So many people on here wif dey fancy edumacations making all us regular folk look da fool..... Oh Lordy lord how I wish I could gets me some dat fancy edumacation
- SpoiledByOil

I'm not trying to start anything, but it would appear that you are claiming that no one ever has, or ever will be a perennial all-star unless they are an all-star every year for their entire career. At least. Is that what you're claiming?

The only dictionary to be used here is urban.



Perennial losers are people who suck basically all the time. They don't realize they suck because they often delude themselves by clinging to some distant past event to justify their existence.

Dude be lucky if Smyth finishes the season this year... nevermind next year...
- saskoil21

This.

I'm not trying to start anything, but it would appear that you are claiming that no one ever has, or ever will be a perennial all-star unless they are an all-star every year for their entire career. At least. Is that what you're claiming?
- Morris

I'm claiming it takes more than 2 years

I'm claiming it takes more than 2 years
- SpoiledByOil

Gotcha. That's my opinion as well. How many years do you think it takes?

Gotcha. That's my opinion as well. How many years do you think it takes?
- Morris

IMO I would say at least 5-6, being as the average career is only that long, if you can make the allstar team for as many years as the average plays that would put you in that category.. But that's my opinion.

Schultz will get more points than Yandle this year and will continue to do so, that was my point that was my opinion then you went off like some all knowing little dbag trying to act intelligent and belittle other peoples opinions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're an only child. Come talk to me when I'm wrong, I'm willing to bet that I won't be though. You do e-transfers?
- SpoiledByOil

With the projected numbers Yandle can be expected to get from seasons past, Schultz would need numbers greater then Karlsson's rookie year, and up in the realm of Lidstrom's rookie year. I sure hope you are right but I am not going to set my expectations quite that high myself. I would be quite pleased for him to get a nice paltry 30 points by seasons end which would still be greater then Karlsson's rookie year.

With the projected numbers Yandle can be expected to get from seasons past, Schultz would need numbers greater then Karlsson's rookie year, and up in the realm of Lidstrom's rookie year. I sure hope you are right but I am not going to set my expectations quite that high myself. I would be quite pleased for him to get a nice paltry 30 points by seasons end which would still be greater then Karlsson's rookie year.
- heh49314

With the way he stepped into the league and how he was stride for stride with Eberle I honestly feel it will happen. Is it an extremely high expectation? Yes. Is it absolutely ridiculous like buddy says so? I don't think so at all

Gotcha. That's my opinion as well. How many years do you think it takes?
- Morris

I'd say 5 or so.

Gotcha. That's my opinion as well. How many years do you think it takes?
- Morris

perennial
n / adj perennial [pəˈreniəl]
(a plant) which lasts for more than two years Daffodils are perennial plants; They are perennials.
Yes, it is referring to plants but I think it can be applied here. Just replace plant with all-star and good to go.

With the projected numbers Yandle can be expected to get from seasons past, Schultz would need numbers greater then Karlsson's rookie year, and up in the realm of Lidstrom's rookie year. I sure hope you are right but I am not going to set my expectations quite that high myself. I would be quite pleased for him to get a nice paltry 30 points by seasons end which would still be greater then Karlsson's rookie year.
- heh49314

Projected numbers, even if you take his best year at 59 points (which is 16 more than he got last year with 43) and use that as a projection that only puts him at 34-35 points this year. Schultz plays on one of the best power plays in the league, I don't think it's "ridiculous" at all that he can get that many or more points this year...

perennial
n / adj perennial
- heh49314[pəˈreniəl]
(a plant) which lasts for more than two years Daffodils are perennial plants; They are perennials.
Yes, it is referring to plants but I think it can be applied here. Just replace plant with all-star and good to go.

I guess if you want to compare its meaning when directed towards a plant that's fine. I don't think it really applies.

Projected numbers, even if you take his best year at 59 points (which is 16 more than he got last year with 43) and use that as a projection that only puts him at 34-35 points this year. Schultz plays on one of the best power plays in the league, I don't think it's "ridiculous" at all that he can get that many or more points this year...
- SpoiledByOil

Honestly? I think he could be capable of 42 points this season looking at how he tore up the AHL, the guys he plays with, one of the top PP units in the NHL. But when I look at rookie season from all the top defensemen in the recent past, the realistic side of me kicks in it screams wishful thinking to me. At 42 points this season. We are looking at him already being very close to his max potential or a player that will be talked about for ages to come and perhaps that D that Cloutier says we will get.

Honestly? I think he could be capable of 42 points this season looking at how he tore up the AHL, the guys he plays with, one of the top PP units in the NHL. But when I look at rookie season from all the top defensemen in the recent past, the realistic side of me kicks in it screams wishful thinking to me. At 42 points this season. We are looking at him already being very close to his max potential or a player that will be talked about for ages to come and perhaps that D that Cloutier says we will get.
- heh49314

I know it's only his rookie season and its only 5 games in, but honest question, I don't really know the answer. how many rookie defensmen have stepped into the league and started out with 5 points in 5 games? Also how many rookie defenseman have stepped into the AHL their first year and lead the league in scoring for the majority of his time there, and fished their time there 2nd in the league with 10 points up on 3rd? And how many rookie D have came in and received the ice time that he is? I still don't think my post was ridiculous, as some people seem to

A legit trade for Yandle, one that might beat out the others who would line up for him, might be Klefbom and your first for Yandle. Not saying that it is equal value going each direction, but that trade might beat other teams offers. What I often see in this forum is the oilers fans disagreeing with how much it would take to abtain players, but they seem to forget about the 28 other teams that could possibly bid against them. If the oilers want a guy who can help them now and in the next couple years, one thats already established himself, then it's going to cost more than you want to pay. Klef + the 1st doesn't detract from the current core and yandle is still relatively young. it fits

I know it's only his rookie season and its only 5 games in, but honest question, I don't really know the answer. how many rookie defensmen have stepped into the league and started out with 5 points in 5 games? Also how many rookie defenseman have stepped into the AHL their first year and lead the league in scoring for the majority of his time there, and fished their time there 2nd in the league with 10 points up on 3rd? And how many rookie D have came in and received the ice time that he is? I still don't think my post was ridiculous, as some people seem to
- SpoiledByOil

The only answer I can give for that is I know for a fact no AHL rookie defensemen have ever accomplished what he did in that time frame. But I think it is also safe to say any other year, a defensemen of his caliber would never see time on an AHL team. For the other stats, I am not quite sure myself where to find the stats you are asking for so hard to answer.
That being said. I am personally going to wait til at least mid season before letting my homer out as it so often gets us in trouble.

A legit trade for Yandle, one that might beat out the others who would line up for him, might be Klefbom and your first for Yandle. Not saying that it is equal value going each direction, but that trade might beat other teams offers. What I often see in this forum is the oilers fans disagreeing with how much it would take to abtain players, but they seem to forget about the 28 other teams that could possibly bid against them. If the oilers want a guy who can help them now and in the next couple years, one thats already established himself, then it's going to cost more than you want to pay. Klef + the 1st doesn't detract from the current core and yandle is still relatively young. it fits
- ChrisMS

I agree with you. I don't think edm will just scoop up yandle for peanuts. I prefer to keep my patience and see what happens with edm after 15 games to make such a splash in the trade market. I don't think phx wants d-man back, it's young forwards in their elc or prospects/picks.

The only answer I can give for that is I know for a fact no AHL rookie defensemen have ever accomplished what he did in that time frame. But I think it is also safe to say any other year, a defensemen of his caliber would never see time on an AHL team. For the other stats, I am not quite sure myself where to find the stats you are asking for so hard to answer.
That being said. I am personally going to wait til at least mid season before letting my homer out as it so often gets us in trouble.
- heh49314

Lol well the fact that I drafted 4 Oilers this year (first time ever drafting an Oiler over the last 7 years with 25-30 drafts) my homer is already out lol, I still think its a long shot to make the playoffs, but I believe ebs will be a point per game, and Hall, Schultz and Nuge won't be far off (all of which I have in my pool )

I agree with you. I don't think edm will just scoop up yandle for peanuts. I prefer to keep my patience and see what happens with edm after 15 games to make such a splash in the trade market. I don't think phx wants d-man back, it's young forwards in their elc or prospects/picks.
- deks1

Which unfortunately you don't really have to give. Young blue chip d-prospects can be moved for other needs. Klefbom would give the Yotes the deepest d-prospect pool in the league, opening them up for either trading one of them or moving some vet d at the deadline for forward prospects or young players. I just see Klefbom and your first as the two most attractive assets not including the core that is basically untouchable.

Why are you calling me big boy? Hope you aren't hitting on me
- sensarmy_11

Because you said I wasn't able to talk to the "big boys" implying that somehow you were one

2 1sts and a 2nd
- robin_steele264

Unfortunately Brian Burke is not the GM of the Coyotes