True - but you do build around a 'core'.
- A_Tree

I had this debate with UG last night. Its not a matter of building "around" anything. It should be about building something.

no guarrantees....see 2001-2004 NYR rosters...insane talent, no chemistry, no playoffs, 85 mill payroll
- JIMI-JAMES

See the since they have won the cup roster in NY.. like TO, top of the cap every year and nothing to show.

no guarrantees....see 2001-2004 NYR rosters...insane talent, no chemistry, no playoffs, 85 mill payroll at one point
- JIMI-JAMES

What does that matter? The point I made is, the Rangers went out and got someone and then said "now we need to find someone to play with him." My point was to provide an example as a counter to what Atomic Wedgie said: "You don't get a guy and then think about what other guys would go well with that guy." The Rangers very evidently did.

If Perry is at all willing to come to Toronto... try to do it as a FA... trade Kessel for the best Prospect/draft pick package you can get, then add perry. Try to get an Elite Center prospect out of your picks.

We dont really miss a beat, but add more prospects at the same time.
oh and get out from under the Kessel cloud
- senstroll

We have picks we can try to draft with. You're lucky to get anything remotely close to what Kessel is with whatever you get in return.

This is a better team with Perry and Kessel, it's not a big leap forward if you lose Kessel and add Perry.

Winning teams dont operate this way.

See the since they have won the cup roster in NY.. like TO, top of the cap every year and nothing to show.
- bixll

Both the Leafs (Nolan, Leetch, Francis, etc.) and Rags (Jagr, Messier, Lindros, etc.) payrolls were so high because their rosters were filled with 33+ year old stars playing on their peak contracts with diminishing returns. You can't really compare that to adding players like 28 year old Rick Nash.

The key problem is the contract/desire to play here. Everything I've seen leads me to believe he'd be much happier in a non-hockey city. Just speculation, of course, but the risk of him walking for nothing and scoring 50 with an other team would be pretty demoralizing.
- 1979AD

He wont walk for nothing. Its not a matter of trade now or walk.

I had this debate with UG last night. Its not a matter of building "around" anything. It should be about building something.
- systemtool

I can build a pile-of-poop, rotted-out shed in my backyard, or I could go out and get the proper pieces to build a sturdy shed that will have great longevity. It's the quality of the build, (building around a good core and not a bunch of b-list prospects and players) not building for the sake of building.

so i am going through the servicing drawings for KFC Highbury in London..

I HATE WHEN I GET RESTAURANT PLANS

they always make so hungry

He wont walk for nothing. Its not a matter of trade now or walk.
- systemtool

You know this, how?

The Rangers traded for Nash specifically for him to mesh with Richards and Gaborik/whoever else on their top line.
- Conquest

The Rangers traded for Nash because he is really, really good.

exactly.

our opinions on how lines should be structured me jack all.

carlyle structures his lineups just as you said.. so we all might as well get used to it.

and with that in mind.. i think bozak would be a decent fit on scoring line B
- Dozzer

i know i've always kind of wished they used bozak more in grabo's position and used grabo more in the point production department.

i like bozie but i think with grabovski carrying the puck in and dishing it off, phil would have a lot more room because they have to watch grabo...that being said, if phil makes the great passes he can...i know someone from Belarus who can put the puck in the back of the net on command...

bozie with say a mcclemment and another good 2 way player...would be an ultra shutdown line...and of course a bit of potential to score, you just dont have someone like grabo for that line who creates the offense and carries the puck in.

its a hard place to be in, because phil and bozie have shown they have the chemistry, but i get what people are saying...bozie does lack a bit of the finish and confidence.

jvr-gbov-kessel
mcclemment-bozak-mac
frattin-kadri-kulemin

you could switch mac and kulemin around - until lupul is back

yes i know i know...but still..i like to look at all angles so sorry for the lines lol
frattin-kadri-kulemin

I can build a pile-of-poop, rotted-out shed in my backyard, or I could go out and get the proper pieces to build a sturdy shed that will have great longevity. It's the quality of the build, (building around a good core and not a bunch of b-list prospects and players) not building for the sake of building.
- Conquest

My point is that in order to build a good team, a sturdy team, a team that can compete you dont trade a player like Kessel. Like you said, it's the quality, and Kessel is quality whether some like him or not. Im not entirey sure where you got the notion where I said build a pile of poop.

so i am going through the servicing drawings for KFC Highbury in London..

I HATE WHEN I GET RESTAURANT PLANS

they always make so hungry
- Dozzer

At least it is KFC, that should be enough to ruin your appi, No?

i know i've always kind of wished they used bozak more in grabo's position and used grabo more in the point production department.

i like bozie but i think with grabovski carrying the puck in and dishing it off, phil would have a lot more room because they have to watch grabo...that being said, if phil makes the great passes he can...i know someone from Belarus who can put the puck in the back of the net on command...

bozie with say a mcclemment and another good 2 way player...would be an ultra shutdown line...and of course a bit of potential to score, you just dont have someone like grabo for that line who creates the offense and carries the puck in.

its a hard place to be in, because phil and bozie have shown they have the chemistry, but i get what people are saying...bozie does lack a bit of the finish and confidence.

jvr-gbov-kessel
mcclemment-bozak-mac
frattin-kadri-kulemin

you could switch mac and kulemin around - until lupul is back

yes i know i know...but still..i like to look at all angles so sorry for the lines lol
frattin-kadri-kulemin
- big_dion

here is the only issue with this... right now the leafs have three guys who love to entrer the zone with the puck on their stick.

kessel

kadri

grabovski

what kessel really needs is a guy willing to drive the net and have enough skill it FORCES the opposition D to pay attention to him leaving more space for Kessel to setup.. Lupul did an admirable job of it.. JVR has the body.. but he plays like Poni.

i know i've always kind of wished they used bozak more in grabo's position and used grabo more in the point production department.

i like bozie but i think with grabovski carrying the puck in and dishing it off, phil would have a lot more room because they have to watch grabo...that being said, if phil makes the great passes he can...i know someone from Belarus who can put the puck in the back of the net on command...

bozie with say a mcclemment and another good 2 way player...would be an ultra shutdown line...and of course a bit of potential to score, you just dont have someone like grabo for that line who creates the offense and carries the puck in.

its a hard place to be in, because phil and bozie have shown they have the chemistry, but i get what people are saying...bozie does lack a bit of the finish and confidence.

jvr-gbov-kessel
mcclemment-bozak-mac
frattin-kadri-kulemin

you could switch mac and kulemin around - until lupul is back

yes i know i know...but still..i like to look at all angles so sorry for the lines lol
frattin-kadri-kulemin
- big_dion

Switch your second and third lines.

You know this, how?
- 1979AD

You're right, I dont know it, but its the only logical conclusion one can draw. Why on earth would Nonis refuse to trade him when his attempts to negotiate with Kessel arent getting anywhere?

My point is that in order to build a good team, a sturdy team, a team that can compete you dont trade a player like Kessel. Like you said, it's the quality, and Kessel is quality whether some like him or not. Im not entirey sure where you got the notion where I said build a pile of poop.
- systemtool

Typically you start with a world class tender or # 1 center.

Leafs check list - Na da.

i know i've always kind of wished they used bozak more in grabo's position and used grabo more in the point production department.

i like bozie but i think with grabovski carrying the puck in and dishing it off, phil would have a lot more room because they have to watch grabo...that being said, if phil makes the great passes he can...i know someone from Belarus who can put the puck in the back of the net on command...

bozie with say a mcclemment and another good 2 way player...would be an ultra shutdown line...and of course a bit of potential to score, you just dont have someone like grabo for that line who creates the offense and carries the puck in.

its a hard place to be in, because phil and bozie have shown they have the chemistry, but i get what people are saying...bozie does lack a bit of the finish and confidence.

jvr-gbov-kessel
mcclemment-bozak-mac
frattin-kadri-kulemin

you could switch mac and kulemin around - until lupul is back

yes i know i know...but still..i like to look at all angles so sorry for the lines lol
frattin-kadri-kulemin
- big_dion

It's weird because I can't recall either RW or Randy playing Grabo and Kessel together for an extended period of time, even when the team is struck by injury. Is their chemistry that far off in practice that it's not even worth trying?

The Rangers traded for Nash because he is really, really good.
- Atomic Wedgie

The Rangers didn't get Richards just to have him play with Gaborik and Taylor (frank)ing Pyatt, they got Nash because they expected him to mesh with Richards. They got a good player and said "we need to now get him a winger."

Switch your second and third lines.
- Atomic Wedgie

you arent thinking like carlyle wedgie

big D has it right.. carlyle uses his second line up against the opposition top lines.. their focus is to shut them down while adding a lil offense... but the offense is a secondary thing compared to shutting the top line down

gotta start thinking like carlyle

Typically you start with a world class tender or # 1 center.

Leafs check list - Na da.
- bixll

I agree. But that doesnt mean you trade away a guy like Kessel just because you havent found one yet or expecting Kessel to bring either in a trade is not being realistic.

You have a #1 winger. Keep building.

You're right, I dont know it, but its the only logical conclusion one can draw. Why on earth would Nonis refuse to trade him when his attempts to negotiate with Kessel arent getting anywhere?
- systemtool

When did Nonis refuse to trade him? He's also technically not allowed to renegotiate an extension before July 1st. That would stop me from asking his agent about "Player K's" desire to remain a Leaf and what he thinks it might cost.

It's weird because I can't recall either RW or Randy playing Grabo and Kessel together for an extended period of time, even when the team is struck by injury. Is their chemistry that far off in practice that it's not even worth trying?
- 1979AD

grabo and kessel are both zone penetrators.. they like to carry it in.. and distribute from there.. setup.. and shoot when it comes back to them if the shot is there

too similar of a player to mesh well

I agree. But that doesnt mean you trade away a guy like Kessel just because you havent found one yet or expecting Kessel to bring either in a trade is not being realistic.

You have a #1 winger. Keep building.
- systemtool

I agree, just find the guy that can feed him..Then someone to stop the (frank)iin thingy..

The Rangers didn't get Richards just to have him play with Gaborik and Taylor (frank)ing Pyatt, they got Nash because they expected him to mesh with Richards. They got a good player and said "we need to now get him a winger."
- Conquest

They got him because hes a good player, he was available and he was willing to waive his NTC to go there.