Thanks Sherlock.... Fact also is it doesnt guarantee a dang thing
- jribout

Daigle, Ryan leaf, Jamarcus russel for the win

To suggest that any franchise as legitimately spent years of tanking to draft franchise players, and won Stanley cups from it.. Is (frank)ing ignorant, and stupid. Plain and simple.

History may provide you with two cases at the MOST, and good luck proving either of those resulted from intentional tanking.
- joel878

oh Pittsburgh did for sure. It's not even debatable. They sat players out late in the year and everything.

Chicago the GM ensured the team couldn't compete for a few years.

Edmonton didn't bother making themselves better once they saw how bad they were.

Though, yakupov was NOT expected just an unhappy fortunate accident


anyway I'm not the one advocating it..

Thanks Sherlock.... Fact also is it doesnt guarantee a dang thing
- jribout

And what does the Leafs doing now guarantee them, Watson?

That's exactly what it's based around. Teams like Pittsburgh, Chicago, their recent cups, their elite players and the fact that they'll be good FOR YEARS.

They reached the absolute bottom of the barrel before they reached the top.

TwoFor likes this idea. Nothing more. Doesn't mean it will work. He just wants to try it because he doesn't think the Leafs have explored this avenue. He also doesn't like the team's current direction.

End of story.
- As_I_See_It

It's an idiotic theory.

How many years did Chicago spend building a team? They managed to plunk a couple franchise players out of the top 5 from it. Doesn't mean the leafs have to trade every worthwhile asset and ice soup cans every night to follow the same path.

Pittsburgh? Post near bankruptcy. Their plummet started when they were to poor to ice a legitimate team in a non-cap environment. Then they won the biggest lottery of them all.

There are no other examples, and to use either of these as a base model is foolish.

One would be better off looking at the other 18 models to win championships in the last two decades. There's a lot of variations, and there's no set blueprint.

Glad to see some people understand. It's really not that difficult.
- Two_For_Truth

It's not that the majority of people don't understand, it's that you present it in such an ignorant manner and skew it with half truths and one sided bullpoop.

The Leafs aren't going to tank, and frankly, probably don't have to. They have enough good pieces to work with, and are in a wonderful position come off season.

red wings, female dog
- wingz4life

Ahhhh... realignment! Well played.

*taps nose *

red wings, female dog
- wingz4life

fist, (frank) you you're staying in the west

2nd, not possible, no 1st overalls... or you saying you're that bad this year?

who's edmonton gonna face in the cup finals most the next 5 years? Islanders or Tampa?
- Big_Lightnin

They sure have some nice shiny pieces, but have a long way to go IMO.

fist, (frank) you you're staying in the west

2nd, not possible, no 1st overalls... or you saying you're that bad this year?
- Big_Lightnin

wings scouting possible trades for top 10 picks now.

And what does the Leafs doing now guarantee them, Watson?
- Two_For_Truth

Years of trolling.

explain it to me, im a outsider, i dont have all night either..
- wingz4life

In every generation there is a group of players that will lead their teams to Cups. Either you're a leader of that generation or you hope to be a leader of the next generation. The Leafs have no hope to be the leader of this generation. What they can do however is get a head start on the next generation.

By trading what they have now to draft as high as possible and as often as possible, they give themselves a good chance of being able to compete in the future. Basically, do what Edmonton is doing for a few years and give yourself the youngest, cheapest and most talented players you can assemble through the draft and use that core to build around them.

oh Pittsburgh did for sure. It's not even debatable. They sat players out late in the year and everything.

Chicago the GM ensured the team couldn't compete for a few years.

Edmonton didn't bother making themselves better once they saw how bad they were.

Though, yakupov was NOT expected just an unhappy fortunate accident


anyway I'm not the one advocating it..
- Big_Lightnin

I hear you, but those cases are the minority, and circumstantial at best.

To tear everything down to start building to that model is just plain stupid. The other 96% of championship teams built their core through many different avenues.

Foolish.

And I think I may have reported your post. Nothing personal, IPhone.

wings scouting possible trades for top 10 picks now.
- wingz4life

Datsyuk to the Leafs!!

Datsyuk to the Leafs!!
- golfingsince

no that would go against UGs idea of building a cup/playoff team. he wasnt picked in the top 10.

They have enough good pieces to work with, and are in a wonderful position come off season.
- Viktory

Sure they are...

Glad to see some people understand. It's really not that difficult.
- Two_For_Truth

who did the hawks trade in the 3 years leading up to Toews draft to Tank.....

Berezin? Karpotsev? 50 year old Steve Thomas?

It's an idiotic theory.

How many years did Chicago spend building a team? They managed to plunk a couple franchise players out of the top 5 from it. Doesn't mean the leafs have to trade every worthwhile asset and ice soup cans every night to follow the same path.

Pittsburgh? Post near bankruptcy. Their plummet started when they were to poor to ice a legitimate team in a non-cap environment. Then they won the biggest lottery of them all.

There are no other examples, and to use either of these as a base model is foolish.

One would be better off looking at the other 18 models to win championships in the last two decades. There's a lot of variations, and there's no set blueprint.
- joel878

So what's the Leafs' current "blueprint?" What's the Leafs' direction?

Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question, BECAUSE NO ONE (frank)IN' KNOWS!?!?

It's not that the majority of people don't understand, it's that you present it in such an ignorant manner and skew it with half truths and one sided bullpoop.

The Leafs aren't going to tank, and frankly, probably don't have to. They have enough good pieces to work with, and are in a wonderful position come off season.
- Viktory

The site needs an option which allows one to completely disregard individual posters posts.

Would make the refs lives easier.

They sure have some nice shiny pieces, but have a long way to go IMO.
- golfingsince

yup... still no goalie though. That needs to be fixed

I hear you, but those cases are the minority, and circumstantial at best.

To tear everything down to start building to that model is just plain stupid. The other 96% of championship teams built their core through many different avenues.

Foolish.

And I think I may have reported your post. Nothing personal, IPhone.
- joel878

Exactly. Traditionally, teams have drafted well and built a team through every medium possible.

And you actually have a higher chance of drafting elite talent with more pircks than higher picks. So if anything, we should trade away some middling players for late firsts and still keep what's currently our core in Phaneuf, Kessel and Lupul.

who did the hawks trade in the 3 years leading up to Toews draft to Tank.....

Berezin? Karpotsev? 50 year old Steve Thomas?
- jribout

There was that Roenick character.....

So what's the Leafs' current "blueprint?" What's the Leafs' direction?

Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question, BECAUSE NO ONE (frank)IN' KNOWS!?!?
- As_I_See_It

That's right, who the (frank) knows.

But we have a young core, and of its maintained properly, it can be built upon.

To strip everything to the core now in the interest of taking, requires removing a lot of young talent who are responsible for the leafs playing as they are now.

Ya know? Dump kadri for a pick which might eventually turn out to be better, all because he's helping us now.

Pretty sure it's something our resident tank theorist dolt hasn't grabbed on to.

I hear you, but those cases are the minority, and circumstantial at best.

To tear everything down to start building to that model is just plain stupid. The other 96% of championship teams built their core through many different avenues.

Foolish.

And I think I may have reported your post. Nothing personal, IPhone.
- joel878

it does get you a franchise player more often than not though. What's done with that player is a different story.

This is why he hates Kessel so much - cost the Leafs their only shot at a potential franchise player in his lifetime. maybe even 2 (Hamilton)...

who did the hawks trade in the 3 years leading up to Toews draft to Tank.....

Berezin? Karpotsev? 50 year old Steve Thomas?
- jribout

They didn't have to trade anybody to be as bad as they were.

I think the oilers tanked by trading


Visnovsky
Colin Fraser
Dustin Penner,
Patrick O'sullivan
Riley Nash
Steve Staios

and oops dont forget Stetstito