Schneider and Bourdon were good picks. He took Edler too but credit goes to Gradin.
- golfingsince

Hodgson too right?

not good with canucks, but doing fine with Sabres. #1C this year

EDIT: whoop nope he was fired then

Not finding a (frank)ing datsyuk in the 7th round of the draft isn't ammo to bash a franchises drafting.
- joel878

Not the point. Sorry that you missed it so badly.

That's not what u asked is u asked about late bloomers answering your question. Don't get upset because you got proven wrong just accepted your not so perfect it ll make your life easier.
- Yeti1181

You're wrong. That's not what I asked. I asked how likely is it that the Leafs can find a guy like that. The answer is very unlikely. That means, because it's so hard to find guys like that, out of nowhere, the Leafs need to go where it's more likely they will succeed.

Where the Canucks had been drafting, and where the Leafs will draft are worlds apart.

Nothing to ignore here, but your ignorance and failing attempts to cover it up.

Furthermore, if you're going to go on about Nonis inability to draft, the last thing you should be doing is suggesting he build this team through the draft.

Excellent solution. Good work.
- systemtool

Furthermore the Canucks have not won the cup, which was his argument against the Rangers being a good team despite them not drafting high

You guys had "the guy". Unfortunately, the team wasn't assembled around him properly IMO and/or things didn't go your way and you were eliminated in the ECF....twice.

It takes a lot of good fortune as well as being in position to challenge for the cup year after year (for the most part) in order to win it.
- golfingsince

Agreed.

Kelly Fraser ruined it for us and his non call
- Yeti1181

Actually, I meant Sundin....

How is this man still alive?
- As_I_See_It

Funny you would say that, my daugher and I were watching a soccar game this afternoon and I mentioned that in some African countries they sometimes kill the ref. And she was amazed that does not happen to Hockey Ref's in Canada.

How is this man still alive?
- As_I_See_It

He's not unfortunately Kerry is

The problem is you think that "building" on what they have now is going to work.

The reason this team needs to rebuild is because it doesn't have the right pieces to build on. The foundation isn't there. It isn't strong enough.

You could keep "building" on what they have now and you would end up with an 8th placed team that loses in the 1st round.
- Two_For_Truth

leafs should invent a time machine, go back. draft datsyuk. tell burke not to trade for kessel, tell them to keep rask. then we can argue about other more important things, like how hot kate upton is..

You're wrong. That's not what I asked. I asked how likely is it that the Leafs can find a guy like that. The answer is very unlikely. That means, because it's so hard to find guys like that, out of nowhere, the Leafs need to go where it's more likely they will succeed.
- Two_For_Truth

Exactly. Its not likely you'll get 40 goal scorers. So thats why when you get one like Kessel you dont just throw him away for another draft pick because you might end up with a worse player.

Thank you for realizing

You're wrong. That's not what I asked. I asked how likely is it that the Leafs can find a guy like that. The answer is very unlikely. That means, because it's so hard to find guys like that, out of nowhere, the Leafs need to go where it's more likely they will succeed.
- Two_For_Truth

But you just said the Leafs cant draft at all. Especially Nonis. So how does this make them more likely to succeed?

Hodgson too right?

not good with canucks, but doing fine with Sabres. #1C this year

EDIT: whoop nope he was fired then
- Big_Lightnin

That was Gillis's first ever pick

Furthermore the Canucks have not won the cup, which was his argument against the Rangers being a good team despite them not drafting high
- twiztedmike

Canucks has flubbered up more drafts than most. Well... many. If you could the 80s, they were downright shameful.

Nonis has different scouts now. You do know GM's don't actually do the drafting right?

Last 2 Leaf drafts, given where they've been picking, are looking pretty good.
- Big_Lightnin

I'm sure everything will improve immediately.

Actually, I meant Sundin....
- golfingsince

We never got him the wingers and supporting cast.

Hodgson too right?

not good with canucks, but doing fine with Sabres. #1C this year

EDIT: whoop nope he was fired then
- Big_Lightnin

As opposed to Kassian as a first line winger, who also has more goals...nice try

Not the point. Sorry that you missed it so badly.
- Two_For_Truth

How many top 10 draft picks are on the leafs roster, compared to la's?

Answer the question.

I've spent years listening to your dribble about tanking and drafting high being the only championship formula. ONLY way to do it.

leafs should invent a time machine, go back. draft datsyuk. tell burke not to trade for kessel, tell them to keep rask. then we can argue about other more important things, like how hot kate upton is..
- wingz4life

Leafs don't need a time machine. All they need is a little foresight and patience.

Funny you would say that, my daugher and I were watching a soccar game this afternoon and I mentioned that in some African countries they sometimes kill the ref. And she was amazed that does not happen to Hockey Ref's in Canada.
- Beatle_john

now you've given her ideas. Solid parenting this is.

Canucks has flubbered up more drafts than most. Well... many. If you could the 80s, they were downright shameful.
- Beatle_john

they were trying to match their rival flames.

Exactly. Its not likely you'll get 40 goal scorers. So thats why when you get one like Kessel you dont just throw him away for another draft pick because you might end up with a worse player.

Thank you for realizing
- twiztedmike

Back to the old "A boats a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat!"

As opposed to Kassian as a first line winger, who also has more goals...nice try
- Whiskey-Tango

nice try at what? just a comment on a drafted player do well...

paranoid much?

Exactly. Its not likely you'll get 40 goal scorers. So thats why when you get one like Kessel you dont just throw him away for another draft pick because you might end up with a worse player.

Thank you for realizing
- twiztedmike

Yes, you fear that you will never be able to do any better so you stick with mediocrity. Excellent work! He can't get you a Cup but who cares he scores 40! Good enough!

Back to the old "A boats a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat!"
- systemtool

we could keep going with this for ages but i have work in the morning. hopefully UG has something better to do that simulate drafts on NHL 13 all day too

How many top 10 draft picks are on the leafs roster, compared to la's?

Answer the question.

I've spent years listening to your dribble about tanking and drafting high being the only championship formula. ONLY way to do it.
- joel878

How many players on the Leafs are as good as Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick?

Answer.