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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:04 PM ET
Hey Frenchie (and others who may know) - I'm just picking up on what you were saying about Myles Bell in the previous thread.

What happened with the accident? I tried to find out more on the internet, but it seems like charges were pending, and then the story goes cold.

What happened? Was alcohol determined to be a factor?

- Atomic Wedgie

Impaired driving. He was 17 so details weren't released.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:06 PM ET
yes, and suggesting that's what he'd want is also laughable
- Big_Lightnin

haha hey its your guys blogger. i personally could see him getting 6 and change. i dont think the pens could make that work, but someone can and will
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:08 PM ET
Yeah my math was wrong.

However most of that time was at the start of the season. Can you do the last 40 games or so?

- stormey


the thing that most people dont get is one guy can spend most of his time with one player but that doesnt necessarily mean the opposite is true
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:08 PM ET
NEVER and I mean NEVER help stormey prove a point.
- Symba007


Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:10 PM ET
Ray Lewis on Antler Extract, for any football fans in here.
TML93
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jan 29 @ 4:11 PM ET
If Nonis wants to put his stamp on this team going forward he should trade Kessel and Phaneuf.

He has already gotten rid of some of the guys Burke brought in, Lombardi, Connolly...

The Leafs hopefully are going to do a full rebuild which is what they should of done in the summer of 2009.
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:11 PM ET
Could someone please explain to me what Augello meant by Kessel's trade clause kicking in next year?

I was under the impression he had to provide a list of 10 acceptable destinations, and that this was the case throughout the entire length of his contract
Leafsfan9329
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Largo, FL
Joined: 07.28.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:11 PM ET
d prospects and picks?
- nh4442



We have enough D prospects
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:13 PM ET
We have enough D prospects
- Leafsfan9329

You can never have enough D prospects.
stevecarpetman
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.05.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
Why do we put so much weight to first rounders? A first rounder is not a guaranteed superstar, nor even a guaranteed roster player.

Kessel is a superstar!! He has always been streaky and may not be the grinding power forward, but he produces and has talent. Why is everyone so willing to dump him or make him answer Seguin/Hamilton questions? He did not make that trade.

In a trade you look for the best player. Right now that is Kessel.

Leaf fans go on here how everyone devalues their players, but we do it ourselves. We have a top ten talent, stand behind him like a good fan should. Don't just sit and wait for him to fail. You blame Sundin for looking after himself in his decision to not waive his no trade clause for the team and the fans, while all the while the fans abandoned him and his want to stay with the team he'd built and been apart of for most of his career.

The fan base and the media is why we don't attract players. We turn on them as quick as they sign.

We need to rebuild but keep players like Lupul, and Kessel in the process. We do not need to trade for Luongo or another goaltender that might sneak us in to the playoffs. We need to play the kids and let them sink or swim. Rebuilding is not always to blow up the whole thing up, it is about forming a nucleus and letting it snowball into somethng greater.

Sometimes rolling a snowball, picks up nothing, but when it does it grows quickly. You must start with a snowball tho!!
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
Could someone please explain to me what Augello meant by Kessel's trade clause kicking in next year?

I was under the impression he had to provide a list of 10 acceptable destinations, and that this was the case throughout the entire length of his contract

- AngryWhiteMale


nope the NTC/NMC is only in the last year of the contract. Nothing right now. And it's a limited no trade, so sure, 10 teams I guess. Don't know those specifics.
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
If Nonis wants to put his stamp on this team going forward he should trade Kessel and Phaneuf.

He has already gotten rid of some of the guys Burke brought in, Lombardi, Connolly...

The Leafs hopefully are going to do a full rebuild which is what they should of done in the summer of 2009.

- TML93


I actually think Phaneuf is someone we should keep.

As Cox noted yesterday, the fact we got Dion for nothing is insentive for us to keep him. His deal right now is 6.5 per, however, based on his play so far, he's not inclined to get a raise. Hell, if anything I have him in the 5.5-6 per range. That's not to say he's a bad Dman. He's actually pretty good out there, and logs big minutes. It's just a wise idea with so many young Dmen coming through the pipe, that we have somebody who can log big minutes.

Kessel, on the other hand, is worth moving. I can't stomach the thought of him gett 7.5 per, even if he does put lots of pucks in the net.
LetsGoBuffalo75
Buffalo Sabres
Location: He is all. He is eternal. He is love. He is life. He is Rob Ford., NY
Joined: 07.07.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
Let us win please
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 29 @ 4:15 PM ET
Find Kessel and Lupul a decent center to play with instead of trading him.

Good Lord...
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 29 @ 4:16 PM ET
Why do we put so much weight to first rounders? A first rounder is not a guaranteed superstar, nor even a guaranteed roster player.

Kessel is a superstar!! He has always been streaky and may not be the grinding power forward, but he produces and has talent. Why is everyone so willing to dump him or make him answer Seguin/Hamilton questions? He did not make that trade.

In a trade you look for the best player. Right now that is Kessel.

Leaf fans go on here how everyone devalues their players, but we do it ourselves. We have a top ten talent, stand behind him like a good fan should. Don't just sit and wait for him to fail. You blame Sundin for looking after himself in his decision to not waive his no trade clause for the team and the fans, while all the while the fans abandoned him and his want to stay with the team he'd built and been apart of for most of his career.

The fan base and the media is why we don't attract players. We turn on them as quick as they sign.

We need to rebuild but keep players like Lupul, and Kessel in the process. We do not need to trade for Luongo or another goaltender that might sneak us in to the playoffs. We need to play the kids and let them sink or swim. Rebuilding is not always to blow up the whole thing up, it is about forming a nucleus and letting it snowball into somethng greater.

Sometimes rolling a snowball, picks up nothing, but when it does it grows quickly. You must start with a snowball tho!!

- stevecarpetman

.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:17 PM ET
Anyone need 4 golds for Thursday night's game versus Washington ?
- .HOHO.



I always "need" them...but you're forgetting an important detail for me to acquire said golds.
- p_zub


PM sent
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:17 PM ET
We have enough D prospects
- Leafsfan9329

Just draft the best player in the draft. We only have Rielly as a blue chip prospect, so Jones wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I'd rather see the Leafs draft a center though. Who knows maybe MacKinnon could be the next Sundin.
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:17 PM ET
Find Kessel and Lupul a decent center to play with instead of trading him.

Good Lord...

- Pecafan Fan



Its sad when even a Hab's fan can see the obvious but Leaf nation can't

faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:18 PM ET
Just draft the best player in the draft. We only have Rielly as a blue chip prospect, so Jones wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I'd rather see the Leafs draft a center though. Who knows maybe MacKinnon could be the next Sundin.
- Arctic_AARDVARK



Or he could be the next Alexandre Daigle
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:19 PM ET
Could someone please explain to me what Augello meant by Kessel's trade clause kicking in next year?

I was under the impression he had to provide a list of 10 acceptable destinations, and that this was the case throughout the entire length of his contract

- AngryWhiteMale


nope, just in the final year of it
markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.27.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
Just draft the best player in the draft. We only have Rielly as a blue chip prospect, so Jones wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I'd rather see the Leafs draft a center though. Who knows maybe MacKinnon could be the next Sundin.
- Arctic_AARDVARK


At times I was a lot more impressed with Drouin than Mackinnon during the WJC's. Then again that is a very small sample size.
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
Jesse Spector ‏@jessespector

Important to #LuongoWatch. RT @BradZiemer: Goalie Eddie Lack out six months after hip surgery. #Canucks
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
Its sad when even a Hab's fan can see the obvious but Leaf nation can't
- faceto27


Seriously, I'm not Kessel's biggest fan, but (frank), just let the guy play. He can score and put up points a plenty on the board. Is he the most "intense" or "defensively sound" player in the game? Of course not. But Good God, leave the (frank)ing guy alone!

Also, he'll never be worth 8 million per, so those who say that's the kind of money he'll get are simply out to lunch.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 29 @ 4:21 PM ET
At times I was a lot more impressed with Drouin than Mackinnon during the WJC's. Then again that is a very small sample size.
- markmark


I see both pretty often, and I have to say I find Drouin more impressive.
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jan 29 @ 4:21 PM ET
Why do we put so much weight to first rounders? A first rounder is not a guaranteed superstar, nor even a guaranteed roster player.

Kessel is a superstar!! He has always been streaky and may not be the grinding power forward, but he produces and has talent. Why is everyone so willing to dump him or make him answer Seguin/Hamilton questions? He did not make that trade.


- stevecarpetman


I have always stood by Kessel as being the best individual in that trade with BOS. Doesn't mean he's worth the sum of what we gave up.

What we really need to do is look at what Kessel can contribute to this team. Over the previous 3 seasons, he has, on his own, produced enough points to vindicate his reputation. Nobody doubts he is one of the best snipers in the game. In fact I can only think of a few players with a quicker release.

The problem is that despite him doing as much as we could expect of him, we still have not made the playoffs. That leaves a lot of food for thought to Nonis, a guy who never made the deal to acquire him in the first place.

Nonis has stated he's willing to be patient. And with the situation BB left him(cap situation, drafting and getting Kadri to develop properly in the AHL), he perhaps won't have to go another 3-4 years without playoffs. That said, there are still a few things Nonis can do to ensure that this team has the depth needed to go far.

JVR, Grabs, Kadri and Loops can be the centre of our offence for the next while. In the meantime, I'd like to see this team get one last good kick at the draft can. Kessel alone should be enough to get us a top 3 pick in this year's draft. if we can trade for a top 3 pick and remove Kessel's ability to score our own pick out of the top 5, then I think we'd finally have things going in the right direction
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