Nonis would be hung from the CN Tower if he let Kessel walk, and he has to know it. Wont is a strong word for someone on the outside, but it not logical or fair to think Nonis isn't aware of this.
- systemtool

If we wanted to trade kessel this is the time, lupul is gone, playoffs wont happen anyway, and we've sucked so long what's a half season to us. trade him and draft a star we have a lot of good prospects that will fill the roster out in the next couple of years.

I agree with this. You see almost every other team load up the top players on one line for a shift or two, especially when looking for a boost in momentum.

I find it funny that with 2 different coaches, the lines still look identical, and there is no real attempt to see if something else might work. (injury situations aside)
- vermie22

It almost seems like there is this unwritten rule the he and Kulemin cant be split up.

That's actually wrong because it does work that way.

The Leafs, for 13 seasons, were built around Sundin. That's a fact and you know it. Everything stopped and started with Sundin. Everything revolved around Sundin. He was the constant figure. The Penguins, are built around Crosby and Malkin. The Blackhawks, are built around Toews and Kane etc.

Are you honestly going to argue against the irrefutable fact that the Red Wings were once built around Howe? Yzerman? The Bruins with Orr? The Oilers weren't built around Gretzky? The Penguins weren't built around Lemieux? The Islanders weren't built around Trottier? The Canadiens weren't built around Richard, Believeau, Lafleur and countless others? The Leafs weren't built around Armstrong? Keon? Sittler? Clark? Sundin?

History shows it to be true. On most championship teams, there is at least one guy that the team revolves around. One guy who is a constant cornerstone. Most times, the guy is there for a really long time and holds the captaincy. It's pretty common.
- Two_For_Truth

Oy Vey.

Anyone see that movie "Hotel Transylvania"?

Its a cartoon kids movie. Im wondering if its suitable for an almost 2 year old? Im about to watch the DVD with him but thought Id ask.
- systemtool

I watched it with my 5 and 2 year olds. Pretty sure the 2 year old had no issues with it...but then again he does wake up 3 times a night screaming with nightmares....

If we wanted to trade kessel this is the time, lupul is gone, playoffs wont happen anyway, and we've sucked so long what's a half season to us. trade him and draft a star we have a lot of good prospects that will fill the roster out in the next couple of years.
- ky678468

If Nonis wanted to do that, he wouldnt and shouldnt have resigned Lupul.

If we wanted to trade kessel this is the time, lupul is gone, playoffs wont happen anyway, and we've sucked so long what's a half season to us. trade him and draft a star we have a lot of good prospects that will fill the roster out in the next couple of years.
- ky678468

The problem is that it never happens like that.

I didnt think I needed to be as specific to have to say building a winner in order for people to understand the point. Sorry, my bad.

I dont care how many dimensions Kessel has. He was 6th in the league in points, and thats good enough for me and should be for most teams. Again, you bring it back to building "around" a certain player. That is the exact point im making. This team is desperate for top level talent and the solutiion isnt and should be trading him. You build "a team that can contend" by building "with" Kessel.

As for a solid core of young players. Kessel is 25.
- systemtool

When you say "building something", that's implying either a mediocre team like the Coyotes or a team like the Rangers, so being specific helps. Yes, your bad indeed.

He can have as many points as he wants, that still didn't get us into the playoffs. He is weak, has no leadership qualities and no defensive game, and that's the point I'm trying to make; he can score whatever the (frank) amount of goals he wants, but he will never have an all-around game, which is what the Leafs should have in a star player to get themselves over the hump and into the playoffs. He will not turn into a leading, tough, defensively responsible player, not overnight, he simply will not, it's not his style. If he is not that style, you seek those who ARE that style. Since they don't grow on trees, you take what you have and INVEST it into younger players of the make you want.

If you're in the market for cars, for example, and you have a decent car but it's poopty on gas, let's say you see a nice new one that has the whole package; do you not get rid of your old one and start anew? I would if I knew i'd be making an investment.

I watched it with my 5 and 2 year olds. Pretty sure the 2 year old had not issues with it...but then again he does wake up 3 times a night screaming with nightmares....
- vermie22

Since watching the movie? Im sorry to hear, that cant be easy for any of you.

Nonis would be hung from the CN Tower if he let Kessel walk, and he has to know it. Wont is a strong word for someone on the outside, but it not logical or fair to think Nonis isn't aware of this.
- systemtool

He could be working the phones hard right now for all we know. Or he could be waiting for Burke to take a job with a poopty team somewhere and give us a 2 1sts and a 2nd for him.

That's actually wrong because it does work that way.

The Leafs, for 13 seasons, were built around Sundin. That's a fact and you know it. Everything stopped and started with Sundin. Everything revolved around Sundin. He was the constant figure. The Penguins, are built around Crosby and Malkin. The Blackhawks, are built around Toews and Kane etc.

Are you honestly going to argue against the irrefutable fact that the Red Wings were once built around Howe? Yzerman? The Bruins with Orr? The Oilers weren't built around Gretzky? The Penguins weren't built around Lemieux? The Islanders weren't built around Trottier? The Canadiens weren't built around Richard, Believeau, Lafleur and countless others? The Leafs weren't built around Armstrong? Keon? Sittler? Clark? Sundin?

History shows it to be true. On most championship teams, there is at least one guy that the team revolves around. One guy who is a constant cornerstone. Most times, the guy is there for a really long time and holds the captaincy. It's pretty common.
- Two_For_Truth

And Kessel is not that man. Not even remotely (not saying you think he is, just stating my view).

What do u use??
- Fruitcakenipple

bread crumbs, oregano, basil, pepper, onion and garlic powder

dipped halved chicken breast in egg, breaded in the mix.. bake at 350F for about 40min

That's actually wrong because it does work that way.

The Leafs, for 13 seasons, were built around Sundin. That's a fact and you know it. Everything stopped and started with Sundin. Everything revolved around Sundin. He was the constant figure. The Penguins, are built around Crosby and Malkin. The Blackhawks, are built around Toews and Kane etc.

Are you honestly going to argue against the irrefutable fact that the Red Wings were once built around Howe? Yzerman? The Bruins with Orr? The Oilers weren't built around Gretzky? The Penguins weren't built around Lemieux? The Islanders weren't built around Trottier? The Canadiens weren't built around Richard, Believeau, Lafleur and countless others? The Leafs weren't built around Armstrong? Keon? Sittler? Clark? Sundin?

History shows it to be true. On most championship teams, there is at least one guy that the team revolves around. One guy who is a constant cornerstone. Most times, the guy is there for a really long time and holds the captaincy. It's pretty common.
- Two_For_Truth

No.

Championship teams are teams that have a wide collection of really, really good guys.

You don't "build around" anyone - you keep adding as much talent as you can.

When you say "building something", that's implying either a mediocre team like the Coyotes or a team like the Rangers, so being specific helps. Yes, your bad indeed.

He can have as many points as he wants, that still didn't get us into the playoffs. He is weak, has no leadership qualities and no defensive game, and that's the point I'm trying to make; he can score whatever the (frank) amount of goals he wants, but he will never have an all-around game, which is what the Leafs should have in a star player to get themselves over the hump and into the playoffs. He will not turn into a leading, tough, defensively responsible player, not overnight, he simply will not, it's not his style. If he is not that style, you seek those who ARE that style. Since they don't grow on trees, you take what you have and INVEST it into younger players of the make you want.

If you're in the market for cars, for example, and you have a decent car but it's poopty on gas, let's say you see a nice new one that has the whole package; do you not get rid of your old one and start anew? I would if I knew i'd be making an investment.
- Conquest

Cars are not investments, especially new ones. Horrid example. Building something means building something. That something depends on what you want to build, and since the discussion is about building a winner, you shouldnt need to have common sense explained to you.

Anyone see that movie "Hotel Transylvania"?

Its a cartoon kids movie. Im wondering if its suitable for an almost 2 year old? Im about to watch the DVD with him but thought Id ask.
- systemtool

I watched it with my 4 year old, she liked it. I have a 2 year old too and I can't recall anything I wouldn't want her seeing. Then again, she's a big Tarantino fan.

Oy Vey.
- A_Tree

quick question ug

how come you dont use your real alias?

just a question, you can answer this one, i wont bite.
- big_dion

you mean the UG account that was banned until the leafs win the cup?

No.

Championship teams are teams that have a wide collection of really, really good guys.

You don't "build around" anyone - you keep adding as much talent as you can.
- Atomic Wedgie

Exactly.

Since watching the movie? Im sorry to hear, that cant be easy for any of you.
- systemtool

No, the situation I have is that my 5 year old daughter loves scary/weird movies and characters, so we know she is OK watching movies like that...unfortunately for my son, he might not enjoy them so much.

That movie is pretty tame, I tried watching Paranorman on the weekend with them... my daughter was loving it, but the little man started freaking out, so it had to be switched to good ol cars 2.

No.

Championship teams are teams that have a wide collection of really, really good guys.

You don't "build around" anyone - you keep adding as much talent as you can.
- Atomic Wedgie

UG is wrong even when hes right, and when hes wrong, welll....hes even more wrong!

uga buga choo choo!

That's actually wrong because it does work that way.

The Leafs, for 13 seasons, were built around Sundin. That's a fact and you know it. Everything stopped and started with Sundin. Everything revolved around Sundin. He was the constant figure. The Penguins, are built around Crosby and Malkin. The Blackhawks, are built around Toews and Kane etc.

Are you honestly going to argue against the irrefutable fact that the Red Wings were once built around Howe? Yzerman? The Bruins with Orr? The Oilers weren't built around Gretzky? The Penguins weren't built around Lemieux? The Islanders weren't built around Trottier? The Canadiens weren't built around Richard, Believeau, Lafleur and countless others? The Leafs weren't built around Armstrong? Keon? Sittler? Clark? Sundin?

History shows it to be true. On most championship teams, there is at least one guy that the team revolves around. One guy who is a constant cornerstone. Most times, the guy is there for a really long time and holds the captaincy. It's pretty common.
- Two_For_Truth

you forgot the best example Scott Stevens and Martin Brodeur the devils were completly built on those two, and then Niedermayer as he started replacing Stevens

Kevin McGran ‏@kevin_mcgran

Leafs send Gardiner to Marlies

I watched it with my 4 year old, she liked it. I have a 2 year old too and I can't recall anything I wouldn't want her seeing. Then again, she's a big Tarantino fan.
- 1979AD

Thanks, that helps!

Im a huge Tarantino fan as well. Love just about all his movies. His soundtracks are among the best you'll find.

bread crumbs, oregano, basil, pepper, onion and garlic powder

dipped halved chicken breast in egg, breaded in the mix.. bake at 350F for about 40min
- Dozzer

sounds like a nice pre game meal followed by 8 rum and cokes and a few L papes

That'd be pretty good, especially if the Leafs could spend a little time getting teams to try and up the bid rather than trade him out of left field like the Flyers did.
- Two_For_Truth

That's what CLS got from LA for Carter (J. Johnson and a 1st).

What did the Flyers get from CLS again? Voracek and a pick?

No.

Championship teams are teams that have a wide collection of really, really good guys.

You don't "build around" anyone - you keep adding as much talent as you can.
- Atomic Wedgie

Championship teams have a collection of really, really good guys? Thanks, tips.

You seem to be getting confused and missing the point here. Most championship teams over the course of history have had at least one guy that the team is built around whether you want to believe it or not.