Yes, the car should have known it couldn't compete and should pay your new debts for doing so.
- A_Tree

lol.. ok i know the car is an object and not a person but wtf is bozak supposed to do? Its not as if he is going to respond to his coach like this:

Carlyle: I'm putting you with Kessel

Bozak: you sure? i think you can do better

its an old cheech and chong skit
- Dozzer

I (frank)'n said DAVES NOT HERE!



oh hi Dave.

Maybe because he's a weak vagina that teams shouldn't build around.
- Conquest

Can we drop the "build around" concept?

It just doesn't work that way.

You get as many good guys as you can. You don't get a guy and then think about what other guys would go well with that guy.

what about trading for someone same caliber but more fits carlyles style? since kessel clearly doesnt fit into it
- matt1337

Any suggestions?

Offer sheet is a disaster waiting to happen, the only players worth offer sheeting you have to over pay as the teams with match, and then you are giving away more 1sts...The leafs cant take more risks like that.

Free agents do not seem to want to play for an average team (any worth a damn), thats all the leafs are with the current lineup.
- senstroll

Taking risks is part of the game. I don't buy the theory that "no one 'worth a damn' wants to play here". Granted it can a tough place to play, especially if you're doing poorly - but to those that achieve success? Eternal hero. Who wouldn't want a chance at that.

True, but it doesn't mean that you renew your lease on the Tempo when it comes up on July 1st, 2013.

He's a third line centre, except he isn't physical. His numbers are inflated due to the ice time he is given by default. He hasn't scored anything this year that I couldn't have done, and he has missed 100 golden opportunities.

And teams can key on Kessel, because they don't have to worry about Bozak.

Do I hate the guy? No.

Would I re-sign him at the end of the year?

Nope. He'll be looking for more money than he is worth. I'd rather go elsewhere.
- Atomic Wedgie

and kadri, our current third line centre IS a physical player?

you guys have some very rigid views as to what kind of player needs to play where.

if bozak signs for two or less to play third line.. i say you go for it.

and kadri, our current third line centre IS a physical player?

you guys have some very rigid views as to what kind of player needs to play where.

if bozak signs for two or less to play third line.. i say you go for it.
- Dozzer

I'd be perfectly happy with that.

I say he asks for over $3 milly.

True, but it doesn't mean that you renew your lease on the Tempo when it comes up on July 1st, 2013.

He's a third line centre, except he isn't physical. His numbers are inflated due to the ice time he is given by default. He hasn't scored anything this year that I couldn't have done, and he has missed 100 golden opportunities.

And teams can key on Kessel, because they don't have to worry about Bozak.

Do I hate the guy? No.

Would I re-sign him at the end of the year?

Nope. He'll be looking for more money than he is worth. I'd rather go elsewhere.
- Atomic Wedgie

The third line doesn't HAVE to be a checking line. You can use it for an alternate scoring line, utility (like the 4th line), or what ever else the (frank)ing coach deems they should be.

lol.. ok i know the car is an object and not a person but wtf is bozak supposed to do? Its not as if he is going to respond to his coach like this:

Carlyle: I'm putting you with Kessel

Bozak: you sure? i think you can do better
- Dozzer

yes

I'd be perfectly happy with that.

I say he asks for over $3 milly.
- Atomic Wedgie

with the lessened cap thats too much... he'd actually be smart to sign a one year deal on the cheap to prove he can play that role.. then ask for a bigger contract in the summer when the cap will likely go back up

Can we drop the "build around" concept?

It just doesn't work that way.

You get as many good guys as you can. You don't get a guy and then think about what other guys would go well with that guy.
- Atomic Wedgie

The Rangers traded for Nash specifically for him to mesh with Richards and Gaborik/whoever else on their top line.

and kadri, our current third line centre IS a physical player?

you guys have some very rigid views as to what kind of player needs to play where.

if bozak signs for two or less to play third line.. i say you go for it.
- Dozzer

I'm not arguing against giving Bozak another contract offer, but 150+ PIM in the O leads me to believe Kadri at least tries to pull Kaleta off Kessel's back until reinforcements arrive.

Also, if Kadri keeps playing this well with limited minutes, and improves his draws, I'm all for a Kadri/Bozak swap.

and kadri, our current third line centre IS a physical player?

you guys have some very rigid views as to what kind of player needs to play where.

if bozak signs for two or less to play third line.. i say you go for it.
- Dozzer

in my eyes, there is no longer a third line.

there is a scoring A line, a shutdown line who can score, a scoring B line, and a checking/fighting line. thats it.

after seeing mcclemment on the wing, i would do what i can to keep him there. its people stepping it up like mcclemment and frattin to fill the void of lupul..is exactly what we need if we want a good season.

Can we drop the "build around" concept?

It just doesn't work that way.

You get as many good guys as you can. You don't get a guy and then think about what other guys would go well with that guy.
- Atomic Wedgie

True - but you do build around a 'core'.

Any suggestions?
- 1979AD

Perry? on the condition he is willing to sign in toronto of course. instead of anahiem losing him for nothing they replace perry's production with kessels and we do the same but with a guy who will hit, fight and score

Perry? on the condition he is willing to sign in toronto of course. instead of anahiem losing him for nothing they replace perry's production with kessels and we do the same but with a guy who will hit, fight and score
- matt1337

I would trade Philip for Perry in a heartbeat. I doubt ANA would though.

I'd be perfectly happy with that.

I say he asks for over $3 milly.
- Atomic Wedgie

I bet if he does, leafs drop him and he signs in Minny for $3.2 and wins a cup.


BEWARE!

I would trade Philip for Perry in a heartbeat. I doubt ANA would though.
- 1979AD

if he's not going to resign kessel is prob their best bet. especially since that team uses their speed a lot with teemu, cogliano, etc.

Taking risks is part of the game. I don't buy the theory that "no one 'worth a damn' wants to play here". Granted it can a tough place to play, especially if you're doing poorly - but to those that achieve success? Eternal hero. Who wouldn't want a chance at that.
- A_Tree

Well maybe if we overpay...I guess Burke was not willing to do the 13 year deals, and missed out on players. Nonis may conduct himself differently, but that advantage some teams had of being able to offer huge front loaded 10+ year deals is gone now.

So now I think its even tougher

in my eyes, there is no longer a third line.

there is a scoring A line, a shutdown line who can score, a scoring B line, and a checking/fighting line. thats it.

after seeing mcclemment on the wing, i would do what i can to keep him there. its people stepping it up like mcclemment and frattin to fill the void of lupul..is exactly what we need if we want a good season.
- big_dion

exactly.

our opinions on how lines should be structured me jack all.

carlyle structures his lineups just as you said.. so we all might as well get used to it.

and with that in mind.. i think bozak would be a decent fit on scoring line B

Chong: you just ate the most acid I've ever seen anybody eat in my entire life man

Cheech: OMG man!! I've never did no acid before man

Chong: Well I hope you're not busy for the next month


- JIMI-JAMES

NEXT Movie was my favorite of them all.. Stealing the gas at the first is timeless.

Well maybe if we overpay...I guess Burke was not willing to do the 13 year deals, and missed out on players. Nonis may conduct himself differently, but that advantage some teams had of being able to offer huge front loaded 10+ year deals is gone now.

So now I think its even tougher
- senstroll

It's likely there are other methods to persuade a prospective FA, the under the table kind of persuasion.

I would trade Philip for Perry in a heartbeat. I doubt ANA would though.
- 1979AD

If Perry is at all willing to come to Toronto... try to do it as a FA... trade Kessel for the best Prospect/draft pick package you can get, then add perry. Try to get an Elite Center prospect out of your picks.

We dont really miss a beat, but add more prospects at the same time.
oh and get out from under the Kessel cloud

If Perry is at all willing to come to Toronto... try to do it as a FA... trade Kessel for the best Prospect/draft pick package you can get, then add perry. Try to get an Elite Center prospect out of your picks.

We dont really miss a beat, but add more prospects at the same time.
oh and get out from under the Kessel cloud
- senstroll

I'm perfectly fine with the Kessel cloud if he's willing to re-up for Lupulish money. If not (and it's unlikely), you gotta do the old Jeff Carter (high potential, nhl playing, 22-24 year old + 1st rd. pick).

The Rangers traded for Nash specifically for him to mesh with Richards and Gaborik/whoever else on their top line.
- Conquest

no guarrantees....see 2001-2004 NYR rosters...insane talent, no chemistry, no playoffs, 85 mill payroll at one point