- Feeling Glucky?

kessel > evander kane

by a long shot IMO.

That is the problem though. We aren't going to win with this group. Why don't we keep our best player, and trade everyone else for picks and prospects. We absolutely need a Seth Jones or Mackinnon franchise type. And it is a deep draft. We could get other good players as well. We sucked for a while now, whats a couple of more season going to do? Unless you think we can make the playoffs with this group.
- Allstarzz

if the leafs trade grabovski - we better become a lottery pick for the next 5 years.

Pathetic. It is the media and some fans that drive me nuts. WE ARE 5 GAMES IN. Seguin has 1 goal an empty netter. Kadri has 5 points in 5 games...so I am assuming by this logic we could get Seguin for Kadri? No way we should trade Phil. Trade players like GRABO and Kulemin. Grabo makes more than Phil right now. We trade Kessel, will be looking for another sniper like him. So what if he gets paid 7 or 8 mil, HE HAS EARNED THAT. Trade Phaneuf, and the rest of this so called core. Keep Gardiner and Kadri. And Reilly. We are a rich team why does it matter if a sniper like Kessel gets 7 mil? Everyone says Rick Nash is better, not according to the stats. Only thing about Nash is that he is a big forward. But Kessel is the better producer. Nash doesn't even have one 80 point season. Kessel does with no center. Ok im done p.s. KEEP KESSEL.
- Allstarzz

by my count we are going on 579 games of below average play and underwhelming results.
But we can just count the last 5 if that makes it all better

thanks, my god it was just a blow mind there for a minute! ha!!
- big_dion

you had the back end of the bold command inside the back end of the quote brackets.. thats all it was

i don't think anyone is suggesting that he should be traded because he's having a slow start. the common belief is that, IF it looks like he won't resign in toronto, then trade him. he's signed to a good contract for this year and next, is obviously still a very good player, which means he has a buttload of value.

he's obviously not a player to build your team around, and if you aren't gonna re-sign him, then you might aswell move him, and get some assets that will help you in the future.

that being said, the ONLY WAY i'm moving him this season is if i'm getting a top line center (or young kid with real top line potential) OR a pick that's likely to be in the top 5 (plus some other assets obviously)
- sensarmy_11

Agreed with what you said. But the problem is do you think the Leafs could get a top 5 pick for him? IMO he is worth that. But I doubt other teams would give that up.

if the leafs trade grabovski - we better become a lottery pick for the next 5 years.
- big_dion

We will. And that is what we need. It is just sad how when we keep our pick, we never pick in the top 3. We trade it, and it turns out to be Seguin.

- Feeling Glucky?

you really think winnipeg is gonna trade kane, a 21 year old, 30 goal scorer, who's locked up for the next six years at a good cap hit....for a guy who's 4 years older, and is likely going to be wanting a massive raise next year.

obviously kessel is more productive RIGHT NOW, but if you look at the big picture, there is NO WAY wpg trades kane for kessel.

Agreed with what you said. But the problem is do you think the Leafs could get a top 5 pick for him? IMO he is worth that. But I doubt other teams would give that up.
- Allstarzz

No GM is his right mind would trade their first rounder for Kessel unless they're going for a Cup run. So no, there will not a top 5 pick coming for Phil Kessel.

by my count we are going on 579 games of below average play and underwhelming results.
But we can just count the last 5 if that makes it all better
- senstroll

lol But all the media are blaming Kessel's slump to trade him. We didn't hear any trade Kessel articles when Kessel was a top 6 scorer last year? Top 6 in ALL OF THE NHL. People think that is easy to do.

kessel > evander kane

by a long shot IMO.
- big_dion

if you just look at the numbers from last season, sure, kessel scored like 20 more points (but only 7 more goals). but if you look at the bigger picture, no way wpg makes that deal.

you really think winnipeg is gonna trade kane, a 21 year old, 30 goal scorer, who's locked up for the next six years at a good cap hit....for a guy who's 4 years older, and is likely going to be wanting a massive raise next year.

obviously kessel is more productive RIGHT NOW, but if you look at the big picture, there is NO WAY wpg trades kane for kessel.
- sensarmy_11

^^ Correct.

lol But all the media are blaming Kessel's slump to trade him. We didn't hear any trade Kessel articles when Kessel was a top 6 scorer last year? Top 6 in ALL OF THE NHL. People think that is easy to do.
- Allstarzz

no, cox said that.. not the entire media.

and cox is a tool who should stick to tennis... he is biased as hell and would love nothing more than for nonis to erase everything burke did

Son of a female dog has a limited no trade clause? Well (frank) that idea of trading him to the team that comes in last place this year

you really think winnipeg is gonna trade kane, a 21 year old, 30 goal scorer, who's locked up for the next six years at a good cap hit....for a guy who's 4 years older, and is likely going to be wanting a massive raise next year.

obviously kessel is more productive RIGHT NOW, but if you look at the big picture, there is NO WAY wpg trades kane for kessel.
- sensarmy_11

kane seems to be obnoxious enough as it is.. he doesnt need the rock star status that comes from playing in toronto to add to it.

Agreed with what you said. But the problem is do you think the Leafs could get a top 5 pick for him? IMO he is worth that. But I doubt other teams would give that up.
- Allstarzz

i definitely don't. teams who are gonna be picking there are probably in full rebuild mode, and need the pick more than they need kessel.

i think the best the leafs can hope for is something similar to what pitt got for staal. top 10 pick, and a decent roster player. not sure they'd get much more.

lol But all the media are blaming Kessel's slump to trade him. We didn't hear any trade Kessel articles when Kessel was a top 6 scorer last year? Top 6 in ALL OF THE NHL. People think that is easy to do.
- Allstarzz

The stuff I am reading and listening to is discussing if Kessel will re-sign longterm, and make a move based on that.

I actually think Kessel has played very well despite not scoring yet. I dont blame him at all for the last 2 games that we shat the bed.

That said, I am all for seeing what we could get in return for him

Son of a female dog has a limited no trade clause? Well (frank) that idea of trading him to the team that comes in last place this year
- Mapleleafs_91

it doesnt kick in til July 1 2013.. so breathe man breathe

No GM is his right mind would trade their first rounder for Kessel unless they're going for a Cup run. So no, there will not a top 5 pick coming for Phil Kessel.
- Domidives

Why wouldn't a gm trade a 1st round pick for Kessel? Wow pure leafs hate. Ok then genuis tell me what a consistent scorer like Kessel who gets better every year, who is just entering his prime, who finished top 6 in LEAGUE scoring, worth?

it doesnt kick in til July 1 2013.. so breathe man breathe
- Dozzer

time to trade him then before that date! if he does not want to resign with us

can see reasons why you would want to keep him, but then again i can understand wanting to just cut bait, and get as much as you can for him. would love to move a package involving a d prospect and a first for him from the pens

lol But all the media are blaming Kessel's slump to trade him. We didn't hear any trade Kessel articles when Kessel was a top 6 scorer last year? Top 6 in ALL OF THE NHL. People think that is easy to do.
- Allstarzz

Again, if they don't think they can re-sign him they should trade him. If they think they can, they won't trade him.

The talk has nothing to do with his slow start.

The only way I trade Kessel is either 2 ways:

1. We trade Kessel for Getzlaf, with promise of an extension. Hopefully by acquiring Getzlaf first, we can lure Perry in the offseason, in effect replacing Kessel's wing position.

2. We end up with like the 10th overall pick this year, we package our pick along with Kessel for the 1st overall and select Mackinnon.

Those are the only 2 ways I'd be comfortable parting with Kessel.

Why wouldn't a gm trade a 1st round pick for Kessel? Wow pure leafs hate. Ok then genuis tell me what a consistent scorer like Kessel who gets better every year, who is just entering his prime, who finished top 6 in LEAGUE scoring, worth?
- Allstarzz

he was replying to my comment, saying that they'd want a top 5. i think any team would trade a 1st rounder if it was in the teens or higher, but a team who's likely to finish with a top 5 pick probably needs teh pick more than they need kessel.

kessel is the perfect addition to a team who's looking to make a run right now. i think it's already been shown that he isn't the ideal player for a rebuilding team to build around.

can see reasons why you would want to keep him, but then again i can understand wanting to just cut bait, and get as much as you can for him. would love to move a package involving a d prospect and a first for him from the pens
- stayinthefnnet

If its trading to a team like the Pens, it would have to be 2 first and a prospect... and I am not sure I would do it for 2 picks in the 20-30 range, which they will be. Those are low odds at an impact player

The only way I trade Kessel is either 2 ways:

1. We trade Kessel for Getzlaf, with promise of an extension. Hopefully by acquiring Getzlaf first, we can lure Perry in the offseason, in effect replacing Kessel's wing position.

2. We end up with like the 10th overall pick this year, we package our pick along with Kessel for the 1st overall and select Mackinnon.

Those are the only 2 ways I'd be comfortable parting with Kessel.
- ThePresident

So what you're saying is.....he stays.