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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:20 AM ET
this needs to be an org mission statement
- isaiah520


who would you target?
Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Jan 29 @ 10:21 AM ET
Besides the fact that he was one of our best players in the playoffs?

he put up 9 points in 11 playoff games despite obviously showing some affects of the Asham hit.

3 goals, 6 assists, and 28 hits.. in 11 games.. over a full season thats a pretty impressive stat line..

Stats expanded for an 82 games season:
22 goals
45 assists
67 points
209 hits

Yea, he hasnt shown anything.

- jak521



What part of his game do you think is going to make him an elite player?
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:21 AM ET
but who has more playoff points?

(i kid i kid)

- jak521

lol, well we haven't seen the playoffs since man landed on the moon it seems, so you win that one. I was going strictly with regular season points, since that is how it is usually done.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:23 AM ET
this needs to be an org mission statement
- isaiah520

I would say it has been. They couldn't work out a deal for Weber or lure Sutter from playing in Minnesota with his pal parise. I believe by this time next season we'll have our guy.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 29 @ 10:26 AM ET
What part of his game do you think is going to make him an elite player?
- Stinkfitz

I dont think he will ever be an elite player. Thats probably your problem right off the bat. Expecting him to be mentioned with the Crosby, Malkins, and Stamkos' of the league is unfair. I expect him to be a very good player. He has very good hands, good speed, has the necessary compete level and unquestionable work ethic. As for skills.. He has good passing, great hockey sense, and a damn good shot. He is also entering his soph. season. He struggled out of the gate last year, but look at his starts from Jan. 1 on.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
I would say it has been. They couldn't work out a deal for Weber or lure Sutter from playing in Minnesota with his pal parise. I believe by this time next season we'll have our guy.
- JoeRussomanno

it hasnt been for lack of trying...
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
I would say it has been. They couldn't work out a deal for Weber or lure Sutter from playing in Minnesota with his pal parise. I believe by this time next season we'll have our guy.
- JoeRussomanno

If the Flyers can sign Timonen for one year at four million. That would be perfect and it buys the Flyers time in case they can't find a number one defenseman.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
who would you target?
- bradleyc4

the best bet is to try and get someone who has struggled to some degree or else the cost would be too high. one example, bogo. i would have tried really hard to get pk, but that ship has sailed.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
I don't see how it could be interpreted as much else, although it may mean a trade before a firing.
- Jsaquella



Jsaq,
Who is responsible for the special teams? Any of the assistances or is it Lava?

In reading his comments, the personnel responsible for the special teams are on the hot seat.

I beg for nothing more then patience at this time. I am ok with a down year, I think the majority of the fans understand that the trades made a couple of years ago ment that there would be some growing pains. Ed needs simmer down.

Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Jan 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
I dont think he will ever be an elite player. Thats probably your problem right off the bat. Expecting him to be mentioned with the Crosby, Malkins, and Stamkos' of the league is unfair. I expect him to be a very good player. He has very good hands, good speed, has the necessary compete level and unquestionable work ethic. As for skills.. He has good passing, great hockey sense, and a damn good shot. He is also entering his soph. season. He struggled out of the gate last year, but look at his starts from Jan. 1 on.
- jak521



I think we are actually one the same page of him not becoming an elite player but more of a good all around. I didnt know much about him before the trade but all i kept reading is the #1 prospect and then peoples expectations.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:32 AM ET
the best bet is to try and get someone who has struggled to some degree or else the cost would be too high. one example, bogo. i would have tried really hard to get pk, but that ship has sailed.
- isaiah520

With all the heartache Brayden schenn has given us doubt the flyer faithful could bear the burden of another struggling talented prospect at position this franchise needs... Oh the agony... Calgon take me away!
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
I think we are actually one the same page of him not becoming an elite player but more of a good all around. I didnt know much about him before the trade but all i kept reading is the #1 prospect and then peoples expectations.
- Stinkfitz

I expect him to be a top end player.. just not elite. I think when all is said and done he could be a 70 point player..

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
he didn't think he was strong enough


"It's definitely strength, getting bigger for the next level," Laughton said. "I thought my speed was pretty good here but definitely strength. I'm 190

- isaiah520[pounds] and want to get to 195, build strength. [I need to] get bigger in the upper body."


if you hurry, you can grab airfare to oshawa to argue with him face-to-face...



I read the quotes. And the response was to a question of what he learned and what he feels he needs to work on. He did not say that he was not strong enough to play in the NHL. And there were also numerous quotes from his teammates and the head coach stating that Laughton did not look out of place, playing in the NHL.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
I don't think the youth hockey foundation has anything to do with flyers operations. If it was important they would've made a hard push for iginla.
- twotoekenn

Iginla and Subban are Canadian. Seth Jones is American. You might think that isn't much difference, but wait until you see the hype and publicity that will surround this kid. It will be Crosby level, with main stream outlets having interest.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
the best bet is to try and get someone who has struggled to some degree or else the cost would be too high. one example, bogo. i would have tried really hard to get pk, but that ship has sailed.
- isaiah520


that's definitely the route they'll need to go. find a guy who was projected to be a top pairing guy, but has fallen out of favor; or target a guy you think can become a top pairing guy (a gamble).

would you trade B. Schenn for a guy like Bogo?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
With all the heartache Brayden schenn has given us doubt the flyer faithful could bear the burden of another struggling talented prospect at position this franchise needs... Oh the agony... Calgon take me away!
- JoeRussomanno

bathe your troubles away
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
that's definitely the route they'll need to go. find a guy who was projected to be a top pairing guy, but has fallen out of favor; or target a guy you think can become a top pairing guy (a gamble).

would you trade B. Schenn for a guy like Bogo?

- bradleyc4

I would then expect endless debate about said trade and players worth for approximately three seasons.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
that's definitely the route they'll need to go. find a guy who was projected to be a top pairing guy, but has fallen out of favor; or target a guy you think can become a top pairing guy (a gamble).

would you trade B. Schenn for a guy like Bogo?

- bradleyc4

yes
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 29 @ 10:36 AM ET
bathe your troubles away
- isaiah520

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:37 AM ET
I don't even have to look this up to know it's wrong, Kadri has 24pts in 56 games played and is out scoring B. Schenn career wise.

Anyhow, just passing through checking on a reported post.

- LeafMan



Here is his NHL stats to date.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8475170

And not sure what Kadri has to do with it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 29 @ 10:38 AM ET
Jsaq,
Who is responsible for the special teams? Any of the assistances or is it Lava?

In reading his comments, the personnel responsible for the special teams are on the hot seat.

I beg for nothing more then patience at this time. I am ok with a down year, I think the majority of the fans understand that the trades made a couple of years ago ment that there would be some growing pains. Ed needs simmer down.

- ggunky


Ultimately, Laviolette will be responsible. My understanding is that Mullen works with the PP and McCarthy runs the PK.

Signing the paychecks gives Snider the leeway to not be patient...but I agree. They need to stop changing course every two or three years. It always seems that the Flyers are trying to copy what the last Stanley Cup winner did.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 29 @ 10:39 AM ET
Schenn 68 games 12 goals 10 assists 22 pts.
- twotoekenn



Now add in the 11 playoff games. They are also NHL games.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 29 @ 10:39 AM ET
Iginla and Subban are Canadian. Seth Jones is American. You might think that isn't much difference, but wait until you see the hype and publicity that will surround this kid. It will be Crosby level, with main stream outlets having interest.
- psuhockey


Do you think thats because of who his father is? He has a back story that gives him instant celebrity.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 29 @ 10:40 AM ET
Jsaq,
Who is responsible for the special teams? Any of the assistances or is it Lava?

- ggunky


Mullen coaches the power play, and has done one hell of a job. Has been over 20 percent every year but one, and remember what it did against the Penguins in the playoffs last year. Yes, they are off to a slow start this year. Not too worried about it.

Berube works with the PK. McCarthy works with the defensemen. Paddock is the eye-in-the-sky (along with Mullen), whose main task is watching team D as well as any other general observations.



twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 29 @ 10:41 AM ET
Now add in the 11 playoff games. They are also NHL games.
- MJL


They certainly are, but judged quite differently than regular season games.
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