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thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jan 29 @ 3:25 PM ET
Probably could, and it will be a webpage filled with ads, not exactly unbiased peer reviewed sources. Nothing wrong with smoking weed, each to their own, just the people that think it cures cancer, and has no detrimental health affects need to wake up and stop lying to themselves.
- ruttager17

I dunno - the Camerican governments between them spent four generations and several dozen billion dollars failing to convince their citizenry that Marijuana is the Devil's Harvest. I don't for one second believe it "promotes brain growth" but I'm always interested in new research that isn't being done by scientists paid to produce the results politicians are looking for.

Put simply, I'm interested to see what passes for pot research these days.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 3:27 PM ET

As far as I remember Satan and Arnott were fan favorites. I know I, and most my friends, loved them and were upset that the Oilers got rid of them. They were part of the time when the Oilers were not being able to afford thier talent. Nothing to do with the fans as far as I remember.

- Aerchon

No one was sad Arnott left. But we did get a mean Bill Guerin in return.

I honestly don't know why Satan was dealt to be honest.

Although Gagner is really the only one that can be used to compare to those guys. Whitney wasn't young with prime years left like those others.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 29 @ 3:32 PM ET
I dunno - the Camerican governments between them spent four generations and several dozen billion dollars failing to convince their citizenry that Marijuana is the Devil's Harvest. I don't for one second believe it "promotes brain growth" but I'm always interested in new research that isn't being done by scientists paid to produce the results politicians are looking for.

Put simply, I'm interested to see what passes for pot research these days.

- thefullnelson

Well put sir. I have no doubt there are tons of additional benefits to marijuana, namely canniboids. Pain relief is proven in many patients but many people just use it to get high, which is fine, but don't make excuses that its healthy for ya to justify its use when it is for no other reason than to get high. Much of the medicinal benefits of the plant can come without that which is gained from THC. Watched a recent David Suzuki documentary that shows the plants are being cross bread to produce a much more potent THC content. Yeah, medical benefit my ass, its just to get high
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 3:38 PM ET
Well put sir. I have no doubt there are tons of additional benefits to marijuana, namely canniboids. Pain relief is proven in many patients but many people just use it to get high, which is fine, but don't make excuses that its healthy for ya when it if for no other reason than to get high. Much of the medicinal benefits of the plant can come without the that is gained from THC. Watched a recent David Suzuki documentary that shows the plants are being cross bread to produce a much more potent THC content. Yeah, medical benefit my ass, its just to get high
- ruttager17

Just got to go back to the early 1900's and it the heroin. But pronounce it like Stewie Griffin.
Hall Fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 29 @ 3:38 PM ET
I wonder if Visnovsky would come back to play in edmonton?
- saskoil21


First ignore the flames fans. They are more lost than the Oilers were the past couple years. They are just trying to get a rise because they got lucky.

As for Visnovsky coming back? I think he would. I think the weather thing was an excuse. It was one people were using back then and he just went with it. He tried to not play in NYI and stay playing in Russia. Which last I checked, his team is a goat pulled carriage, a bus, 4 trains and 18 planes away from a beach. Edmonton is a different team than when he left and we have a different coach. One that just happens to be a motivational speaker. Hard to tell if he wants to play with the new team or not.

However Streit is the better player. Grabbing a small goal scorer is good but Streit brings an offensive side and a responsible defensive side. He can play both roles. With the team he has been on, his value might just be low enough that we can get him for a song. Anyone that has seen him live knows how great this guy is. NYI doesn't use him to his full offensive ability as he does all situations but he has an amazing sense for the game. He is the type of D that might stick around as well and NYI needs to get a return for him as they want to not just build a new arena they want to move the team to a different county and build it. Bigger deal in NY. They need their fans and players to make their young players look good. Hemsky or Whitney might fill that bill.

I would offer Hemsky them both for him and a prospect and a second round pick. Someone to Trade for as much as we can get. Maybe Nielsen. Or contingent picks based on whether Whitney or Streit resign? NYI is a team that would like to improve this year or hit the bottom but with ALL non playoff teams having a chance at first overall pick, I think you still shoot for as much as you can.
Oilersforlife
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Rooming with Richard in his Mo, AB
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 29 @ 3:39 PM ET
What games are you watching...

Petry and RNH sucking. Fistric trash... Whitney and Gagner looking great... Are you being sarcastic or just trying to get a rise out of people? Or is it opposite day and no one told me?

Whitney is the only one looking like trash on the d-corps. But even he has had decent puck movement. Nothing to panic over yet.

Gagner is looking very bad defensively but also looking solid on the score sheet.

Petry has had a couple bad turns but overall has been strong.

RNH has been rediculasly strong. His defensive awareness/positioning has been practicaly flawless. And the only one to blame for the one goal againt the Oil last night was Dub. Patheticaly weak goal.

Fistric has looked great and if anything has been covering for Whitney who seems to be floating out of position most games. Potter has been covering for Whitney as well.

- Aerchon


I never said RNH was even remotly bad, I said he blew the coverage on one goal. Not Whitney. I love RNH and agree with you on all accounts.

If you read my comment I said Gagner needs to work on his D. But he hasn't been horrible.

We clearly see the game diffrentley. Petry is a turnover machine, he caughs up the puck at the most inopertune times. It's a big problem. Fistric was bad the last game he played. He is always out of position, that's why he was benched in favour of Potter who I agree is even worse than Fistric.

Next time they play look where Whitney's D partner is next time you think he is out of position and you'll likely see he had no choice but to make that decision. He doesn't caugh the puck up he usually makes the smart play. I agree he gets caught flat footed at times but that will improve with conditioning.

ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 29 @ 3:42 PM ET
Just got to go back to the early 1900's and it the heroin. But pronounce it like Stewie Griffin.
- Lahey

saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jan 29 @ 3:58 PM ET
Subban's mates not happy about his re-signing??? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414754
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 3:59 PM ET
Subban's mates not happy about his re-signing??? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414754
- saskoil21

Racists
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jan 29 @ 4:04 PM ET
Racists
- Lahey



either that or penis envy??? Scared of the big black one come post practice or post game time???
Oilerulez
Edmonton Oilers
Location: for so many reasons i think the pouliot signing was a mistake. but i will refrain from commenting o, AB
Joined: 02.05.2008

Jan 29 @ 4:06 PM ET
No one was sad Arnott left. But we did get a mean Bill Guerin in return.

I honestly don't know why Satan was dealt to be honest.

Although Gagner is really the only one that can be used to compare to those guys. Whitney wasn't young with prime years left like those others.

- Lahey


Arnott could never be successful in Edmonton he was billed to fans as the best player to be on the team since Gretzky. The media and the organization billed him as such.
They even had him sign his first contract in the same place Gretzky signed s deal. That's slot of pressure on a7th overall pick. The end of his time was triggered after a poor effort by the team and arnott was quoted as saying he was just not feeling it tonight. Death to a player by a blue colar fan base

Satan was dealt strictly due to numbers we had too many of the same kind of players small euro top 6 wingers. It was unfortunate that in his case he exploded to hit 50 goals after he left.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:09 PM ET
Arnott could never be successful in Edmonton he was billed to fans as the best player to be on the team since Gretzky. The media and the organization billed him as such.
They even had him sign his first contract in the same place Gretzky signed s deal. That's slot of pressure on a7th overall pick. The end of his time was triggered after a poor effort by the team and arnott was quoted as saying he was just not feeling it tonight. Death to a player by a blue colar fan base

Satan was dealt strictly due to numbers we had too many of the same kind of players small euro top 6 wingers. It was unfortunate that in his case he exploded to hit 50 goals after he left.

- Oilerulez

Everyone is billed as the best player since Gretzky in this town. Comrie, Gagner, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, Schultz etc...

Seems like everytime there is someone with talent we have to compare them to Hall of fame players from our past.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:11 PM ET
Everyone is billed as the best player since Gretzky in this town. Comrie, Gagner, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, Schultz etc...

Seems like everytime there is someone with talent we have to compare them to Hall of fame players from our past.

- Lahey

One day, when you pass, people will compare the next generation of posters to Lahey, Laughs, Reveen, Oilhorse, Hugeb!tch77 etc... its just the way people are.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
One day, when you pass, people will compare the next generation of posters to Lahey, Laughs, Reveen, Oilhorse, Hugeb!tch77 etc... its just the way people are.
- ruttager17

I don't like that list
Oilersforlife
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Rooming with Richard in his Mo, AB
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 29 @ 4:14 PM ET
Everyone is billed as the best player since Gretzky in this town. Comrie, Gagner, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, Schultz etc...

Seems like everytime there is someone with talent we have to compare them to Hall of fame players from our past.

- Lahey


Funny you mention Comrie. During his first call up with the team if you recall it was during the playoffs, I was sold hook line and sinker on this guy. I bought his autographed jersey at one of those auction's they have during the game and payed $2200.00. Still have it in a shopping bag in my storage room. Maybe the worst decision I ever made. Maybe worth 30 bucks now.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:18 PM ET
I don't like that list
- Lahey

Is it because I left Pilgor off of it? I did add "etc" at the end.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:19 PM ET
Funny you mention Comrie. During his first call up with the team if you recall it was during the playoffs, I was sold hook line and sinker on this guy. I bought his autographed jersey at one of those auction's they have during the game and payed $2200.00. Still have it in a shopping bag in my storage room. Maybe the worst decision I ever made. Maybe worth 30 bucks now.
- Oilersforlife

You sure? I don't remember that. I remember him being a holdout that signed mid-season.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
Is it because I left Pilgor off of it? I did add "etc" at the end.
- ruttager17

That would make it worse.
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:22 PM ET
Well put sir. I have no doubt there are tons of additional benefits to marijuana, namely canniboids. Pain relief is proven in many patients but many people just use it to get high, which is fine, but don't make excuses that its healthy for ya to justify its use when it is for no other reason than to get high. Much of the medicinal benefits of the plant can come without that which is gained from THC. Watched a recent David Suzuki documentary that shows the plants are being cross bread to produce a much more potent THC content. Yeah, medical benefit my ass, its just to get high
- ruttager17


Yeah, but we drink beer "just to get drunk", and if someone tells you they don't drink, you'll probably think they're religious or something. There wasn't enough alcohol in beer, so we made wine. There wasn't enough alcohol in wine, so we made spirits. Concentrating the active ingredient in a drug is nothing new.

We assume that our recreational drug of choice is so good that no normal person would ever choose to be without it, yet our use of it causes a very great deal of harm to society. Put it this way - no one ever smoked a joint then went out and robbed a liquor store and came home and abused his family (unless there were other drugs involved). I know people who use Marijuana medicinally and several of them really do need it (and any rational person who saw them would agree with me). Several others them have found creative loopholes to get legal access to their recreational drug of choice. Hard to approve of that, but why should they risk going to jail if they don't have to?

When you call a man a "criminal", you suddenly justify inflicting all sorts of horrible treatment upon him. It is transparently immoral and blatantly hypocritical to criminalize a reasonably safe recreational drug.

So what if they smoke weed "just to get high"? Provided that use of any given drug is acceptably safe to the individual while causing minimal harm to society, we should be able to do whatever drugs we damn well please! This is where the research is important - are they still asphyxiating monkeys with marijuana smoke, then claiming it was the THC and not the asphyxiation that damaged their brains? Are they still running experiments that are designed to "prove" some political agenda, or is it actually real science? That's what I want to know!

Instead of scorning adults for wanting different things out of life than we do, perhaps we should be educating our children about drugs instead of indoctrinating them to react without thought.


...crap. And I just wrote a giant essay. ...uh... ...um... how about that... ...uh... hockey... something?
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 29 @ 4:23 PM ET
I don't like that list
- Lahey


I don't like your body odor
Oilersforlife
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Rooming with Richard in his Mo, AB
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 29 @ 4:26 PM ET
You sure? I don't remember that. I remember him being a holdout that signed mid-season.
- Lahey


He was called up at the end of the season when he was playing for the Kootney Ice. Oilers were playing the stars in round 1 of the playoffs and he looked like a stud. Shortly after that he went D bag.
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:27 PM ET
Subban's mates not happy about his re-signing??? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414754
- saskoil21


Reading between the lines, it looks like Subban is not all that popular with his teammates.
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:28 PM ET
I don't like your body odor
- laughs2907

I do!

*big whiff*

*creepy grin*
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 29 @ 4:29 PM ET
I do!

*big whiff*

*creepy grin*

- thefullnelson


I do too, but I don't want him being over-confident and as a result, being a whore. Gotta keep him grounded.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jan 29 @ 4:31 PM ET

I they want to not just build a new arena they want to move the team to a different county and build it. Bigger deal in NY. They need their fans and players to make their young players look good. Hemsky or Whitney might fill that bill.

I would offer Hemsky them both for him and a prospect and a second round pick. Someone to Trade for as much as we can get. Maybe Nielsen. Or contingent picks based on whether Whitney or Streit resign? NYI is a team that would like to improve this year or hit the bottom but with ALL non playoff teams having a chance at first overall pick, I think you still shoot for as much as you can.

- bsteinley


I would try Whitney, bulin, and prv to nyi for streit, nabby, and nino.
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