Not sure what games you're watching.

Garrison has not been sound defensively. He's been a giveaway machine—constantly turns the puck over in his own zone when pressured, and he's made a number of ill timed pinches that have lead to rushes for the other team.

Really don't get why people think he's not getting set up, either. He's getting set up for the one-timer more than anybody on the team. Their forcing it way too much, and he's not doing a good job getting the puck through or hitting the net when he does.

I'm not worried. He's getting used to a new team, and all the D have struggled this season. It's just going to take some time to shake off the rust.
- Fosco

Obviously different ones than you watch! Edler has been the turnover guy for the duo, Garrison has been just fine defensively. To this point he seems to be the last option on the PP and the (not too often) times he gets the puck haven't been optimal. I agree his shot is rusty, but so far the Sedins and Edler (particularly) are not using him effectively at all. I'll stand by that...and I've been watching. It will all work out as soon as the Sedins get their heads in the game more and Edler does more than shoot or dump to the corner.

Does that theory hold true for the second half of last year also? This is more of a continuation of where we were last year.

We are a good team , I am not convinced we are a great team. I figure we are somewhere in between 8 to 15 in the rankings.
- VANTEL

Sorry, but I have to ask:

Do you mean in the conference or in the league?

No poop.

Any team worth a damn should go 48-0 this season, right?

Jackass.
- Fosco

q

Sorry to hit a nerve

It should take about 60 points to make the playoffs so play hard Canucks your looking like a bubble team but it is early

Obviously different ones than you watch! Edler has been the turnover guy for the duo, Garrison has been just fine defensively. To this point he seems to be the last option on the PP and the (not too often) times he gets the puck haven't been optimal. I agree his shot is rusty, but so far the Sedins and Edler (particularly) are not using him effectively at all. I'll stand by that...and I've been watching. It will all work out as soon as the Sedins get their heads in the game more and Edler does more than shoot or dump to the corner.
- rdfred

Edler has been bad, as well, but without looking I would highly doubt he has more giveaways than Garrison—he's been taking too long, and as a result had been losing the puck almost every time he's pressured along the boards in his own end.

Both have been equally bad.

Out of all the pairings it is to be expected that that they'd have the most rust, though, since both are coming off of injury, Garrison is adjusting to a new team/partner/system, and Edler's adjusting to playing on his off side.

Both are quality defenders. I have faith they'll turn it around.

Gotta say, though, in contrast to all the other D, I'm really impressed with Tanev.

Edler has been bad, as well, but without looking I would highly doubt he has more giveaways than Garrison—he's been taking too long, and as a result had been losing the puck almost every time he's pressured along the boards in his own end.

Both have been equally bad.

Out of all the pairings it is to be expected that that they'd have the most rust, though, since both are coming off of injury, Garrison is adjusting to a new team/partner/system, and Edler's adjusting to playing on his off side.

Both are quality defenders. I have faith they'll turn it around.

Gotta say, though, in contrast to all the other D, I'm really impressed with Tanev.
- Fosco

Edler
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 2 2 4 -1 6 1 0 0 14 10 11 5 2 23:23

Garrison
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 0 0 0 +2 2 0 0 0 10 6 3 1 1 22:44


Hmm, lines up better in the editor, but basically, Garrision is a plus, has fewer giveaways and fewer shots on goal in almost the same average ice time.

I love how Canuck fans come on here and act like they have actually won something. Talk about jealousy.
- Dean_Youngblood

This is a Canucks blog.....




(frank) off if you don't like it.

Edler
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 2 2 4 -1 6 1 0 0 14 10 11 5 2 23:23

Garrison
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 0 0 0 +2 2 0 0 0 10 6 3 1 1 22:44


Hmm, lines up better in the editor, but basically, Garrision is a plus, has fewer giveaways and fewer shots on goal in almost the same average ice time.
- 1970vintage

Not sure how exactly they're scoring giveaways—whether it has to be a clean giveaway from a pass or being checked, etc.—but I'veseen Garrison lose the puck when pressured in his own zone at least two to three times a game, so something doesn't add up there. There's absolutely no way Garrison only has one giveaway.

Edler only has 4 more shots, too, so I don't think he's being set up considerably more than Garrison, and that doesn't even take into account missed/blocked shots.

Like I've said many times, they've both been bad.

I'm starting to realize that wiping out the season wouldn't have been such a bad thing, just so that I wouldn't have to read the bipolar* reactions of fans from 30 teams.

Leafs have four points, but they suck. Canucks have five points, and they either suck, or are the best team in the league. If you really want to ride a steep rollercoaster, go check out the Flyers blog. I know it's been a while since we had hockey, but people need to be reminded that no team can go the entire season (even a 48-gamer) and win every game.

It's the passion that unites us all.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

*does not refer to the sexual orientation of the Leafs' mascot.
- Atomic Wedgie

And just further to my point above, midway through the Flyers thread they are talking about buying Bryz out at the end of the year.

He currently has a 2.21 GAA and a .923 Save%.

Clearly the season is over for the Flyers. Probably best to just pack up now and move to Seattle.

Sorry, but I have to ask:

Do you mean in the conference or in the league?
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd agree with that, assuming he means league. I'd put STL, CHI, LA, NYR, PIT, SJ, and BOS definitely all ahead of us with our current team for sure and you can easily make a case for a couple if more teams too since we're without Kesler and Booth and who knows how long it will take for them to both adjust and get into game shape when they're back.

And just further to my point above, midway through the Flyers thread they are talking about buying Bryz out at the end of the year.

He currently has a 2.21 GAA and a .923 Save%.

Clearly the season is over for the Flyers. Probably best to just pack up now and move to Seattle.
- Atomic Wedgie

q

Sorry to hit a nerve

It should take about 60 points to make the playoffs so play hard Canucks your looking like a bubble team but it is early
- PEIHawkFan

That Selke winning second line center..whats his name again...would really help us out.

Plus that other former 30 goal scorer.

And just further to my point above, midway through the Flyers thread they are talking about buying Bryz out at the end of the year.

He currently has a 2.21 GAA and a .923 Save%.

Clearly the season is over for the Flyers. Probably best to just pack up now and move to Seattle.
- Atomic Wedgie

Buyouts sound easy to all but to write a check for $50 million to admit you should never have signed a goalie to a long term contract is more than painful it's almost impossible
A buy out for 1 year is one thing but 8 years is another

Just ask Canucks ownership and Mike Gillis

Sorry, but I have to ask:

Do you mean in the conference or in the league?
- Atomic Wedgie

ESPN has us ranked 12 th league wide. I think that's fair

ESPN has us ranked 12 th league wide. I think that's fair
- VANTEL

I just don't see anyone in the NW being good enough to beat the Canucks, so I still see a top 3 finish in the West by virtue of the division lead.

I'd agree with that, assuming he means league. I'd put STL, CHI, LA, NYR, PIT, SJ, and BOS definitely all ahead of us with our current team for sure and you can easily make a case for a couple if more teams too since we're without Kesler and Booth and who knows how long it will take for them to both adjust and get into game shape when they're back.
- Nucker101

I did mean league ,yes. When Kes and booth get back I imagine they will score about 12 goals each and about 25 points each . I am not sure that is enought to jump us to the elite pack.

The good thing about Kes is his shut down . I don't expect much from the offensive side.

I just don't see anyone in the NW being good enough to beat the Canucks, so I still see a top 3 finish in the West by virtue of the division lead.
- Fosco

Even if we do get a mulligan by being the best of the worst it will translate to first round playfoffs only and drafting 22 again . Not too excited about that.

[quote=Fosco]

It was 3 giveaways for Garrison and 1 takeaway. From NHL.com

Even if we do get a mulligan by being the best of the worst it will translate to first round playfoffs only and drafting 22 again . Not too excited about that.
- VANTEL

It's definitely possible, and I'm not thrilled with what I've seen so far, but I'm also not willing to get overly pessimistic yet.

Are those ESPN rankings their weekly power rankings, or yearly prediction?

Because the predictions from them that I saw, almost all their analysts had the Canucks winning the NW, and more than a few predicted the Canucks would make it to the finals, with one predicting they win the SC.

SI also had them doing quite well.

If its the weekly power rankings, I don't disagree, but they'll likely finish higher in the league.

They always start out slow, and then go on an impressive run.

It was 3 giveaways for Garrison and 1 takeaway. From NHL.com
- 1970vintage

Ahh. On an IPhone, so it's hard to line up the stats. Still seems a bit low, but I assumed they scored a giveaway like the NBA, where anytime you give up possession it counts as a giveaway.

Ahh. On an IPhone, so it's hard to line up the stats. Still seems a bit low, but I assumed they scored a giveaway like the NBA, where anytime you give up possession it counts as a giveaway.
- Fosco

Yeah, I don't know how they score it, maybe it's like an unforced error in tennis, ie if Garrison is under pressure on the forechecking and gets stripped it's just a "good check", but if he passes it up the middle and it gets picked off its a GvA?

I did mean league ,yes. When Kes and booth get back I imagine they will score about 12 goals each and about 25 points each . I am not sure that is enought to jump us to the elite pack.

The good thing about Kes is his shut down . I don't expect much from the offensive side.
- VANTEL

Depends on when they'll be back, 12 goals/25 points is a lot and also unlikely if they're both back with around 25-30 games left. I agree it might not be enough unless Raymond actually keeps it up and bounces back to when he was a good second liner again(he looks pretty good so far especially considering his line mates). We also need better play from our defense and a 3rd line center.

Kesler will improve everything: Faceoffs, physical play, team depth, PP, PK, 5 on 5, offensive play, defensive play and speed. Not expecting much offense is kind of contradictory since you said you expect 12 goals/25 points. And he's scored 25, 41 and 22 goals in the past 3 seasons so I think it's fair to say that you can expect offensive production from him...

Ahh. On an IPhone, so it's hard to line up the stats. Still seems a bit low, but I assumed they scored a giveaway like the NBA, where anytime you give up possession it counts as a giveaway.
- Fosco

Yeah, I don't read too much into those stats since they're so technical instead of being based on common sense/judgement. Plus they're counted differently in every building.

I wonder if Hansen will get Fined........

Even if we do get a mulligan by being the best of the worst it will translate to first round playfoffs only and drafting 22 again . Not too excited about that.
- VANTEL

All it takes is for a a team to be healthier than the others and to get hot at the right time. I'm sure Devils fans weren't expecting to make the cup finals, same with the Kings fans, same for teams like the Flames/Oilers/Ducks/etc in the past few seasons. Any Canucks fans who would rather miss the playoffs for a higher pick is out of their mind.

Edler
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 2 2 4 -1 6 1 0 0 14 10 11 5 2 23:23

Garrison
GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GWG S Hits BkS GvA TkA TOI/g
5 0 0 0 +2 2 0 0 0 10 6 3 1 1 22:44


Hmm, lines up better in the editor, but basically, Garrision is a plus, has fewer giveaways and fewer shots on goal in almost the same average ice time.
- 1970vintage

I personally think Garrison has looked less than steller. D00d Better Pick up his game and start shooting the puck more.