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al3535
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:03 AM ET
So explained to me how they are going to fill out the roster with almost half the cap spread amongst 5 to 6 players
- Yeti1181




Just for you...


EDMONTON - It’s a team only four games into a new era and clearly a long way from coming together.

And already you have to ask the question: Are the Edmonton Oilers going to be able to keep the team together?

It’s been three weeks since a new collective bargaining agreement ended the lockout and long enough for Kevin Lowe, Steve Tambellini, Craig MacTavish and Ricky Olczyk and the big picture team to have an idea of what it’s going to mean going through the 10-year CBA. Which is about the same time you’d like to be able to keep the expanding core group of this talented young troupe together.

But is that going to be possible?

A lot of people are pretty pessimistic about that.

But Lowe isn’t one of them.

“I don’t see it being a problem to be honest,” he said after leaving the first of four days of the annual mid-season meetings with Stu MacGregor and his amateur scouting staff.

“Short term we are in great shape with the salary cap. Short term it’s really spaced out nicely with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Justin Schultz having two years on their entry level contracts and Nail Yakupov three.

“We have a lot of room in the cap in the next couple of years. If the cap follows the same path it did after the last lockout, we should be able to manage it down the road, too.”

Lowe, as president of hockey operations, is the biggest picture guy of the big picture guys. He also owns Oiler Stanley Cup rings with one, two, three, four and five bites of a carrot engraved on them from a group conscious of keeping the team together until owner Peter Pocklington sold Wayne Gretzky. Lowe was one of the last to leave to go to New York to join a half a dozen Oilers on the Rangers to win his sixth Stanley Cup.

Having headed an inspired short-term rebuild after the last lockout to get the Oilers to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals in 2006 and having survived many mistakes in seasons which followed, Lowe is inspired to try to keep this team together to be the team it can be for as long as it can be.

“We’ve gone through a lot to get a real solid core,” he said. “I think for sure we’re going to be able to keep it for the next seven years. But the goal is as long as possible.”

Some point to what happened to the Chicago Blackhawks who won a Stanley Cup and had to tear part of their team apart the following year.

But Lowe says the Oilers, if they’re smart about it, aren’t going to be in Chicago’s situation.

“The problem with Chicago’s situation was that prior to their success, they went out and signed some guys. Then Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith developed and they had to move guys like Dustin Byfuglien, Kris Versteeg and Andrew Ladd after their Cup year. They had Christobal Huet, Martin Havlat and Bryan Campbell when they got frustrated by their lack of success. Then the young guys came in. And it was a lower cap then, too.

“We’re in a good place to be because there were enough lessons to learn through the last CBA that if we’ve learned the lessons we should be able to manage through the cap. Pittsburgh has done a great job.”

Before the lockout began the Oilers signed Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle to deals through 2019-20 and 2018-19 respectively, at $6 million each per year.

There’s every expectation that they’ll be extending Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to a similar long-term deal at the end of this season.

That’ll be $18 million a year for the first line.

Four games into the season, with what we’ve already witnessed watching Justin Schultz, you have to figure there’s going to be another $6 million-a-year-range long term deal there.

Schultz hasn’t missed a beat in his transition from U.S. college hockey to the AHL to the NHL. Since the 22-year-old free agent picked Edmonton over 29 other teams, he played 38 games, scoring 18 goals and producing 48 points with the Oklahoma City Barons averaging an estimated 28 minutes of ice time a game.

Despite having the assist on Sam Gagner’s buzzer-beater in Calgary Saturday taken away and given to Hall, Schultz is tied for the team scoring lead with Hall and Eberle with five points only four games into his NHL career. He leads the entire team in ice time at 24:02 right out of the box.

So maybe you have to figure there’s another $6 million a year long-term deal there.

Who knows what will be a fair contract for Nail Yakupov when his entry-level deal expires, but Ales Hemsky has this year and next to go on his $5.5 million a year deal and Gagner will be a restricted free agent coming off a $3.2 million a year deal at the end of this season. So whether there’s a trade of one of those guys for a different part for the second line or you keep it intact, you figure it’s going to combine to maybe be about $12 million for the second line.

Jeff Petry, already playing the second most minutes to Schultz at 20:53 a game, will be a UFA at the end of next year but might be looking at a long-term extension this summer the way he’s developing if you ignore his stinker Saturday in Calgary.

So it’s looking like maybe $18 million for their top four defencemen when it comes together.

Add maybe $5 million for your No. 1 goalie (Devan Dubnyk is making $3.75 million through to the end of next year) and then add it up.

Bottom line is: for your top six forwards, top four defencemen and starting goalie by the time the team moves into the new downtown arena it projects to be paying about $53 million.

“With the new CBA the cap can’t go below $64.7 million,” said Lowe.

“Based on the last CBA, I’ve read some projections that it could go up to $90 million toward the end of the CBA. You know it’s not going down. And history tells you that it’s probably going to go up.”

Short term, the Oilers are in sensational shape.

“Right now, this year, we have lots of room contract-wise. We couldn’t be in any better position,” said Lowe.

“We’re at roughly $54 million now. The cap is $70 million this year. If we’re in position and there’s something available, we’re going to be making a deal. We’re not going to gut any of our core players to try sneak into the playoffs this year or anything like that, but if we’re in position and there’s a deal to be done ... absolutely!

“Lets put it this way. The goal for the organization is to be thinking about acquiring somebody at the trade deadline as opposed to trading away someone for a draft pick or prospect because we’re out of the playoffs. If there’s a piece or pieces we feel we are missing, we’ll do the deal.”

That said, Lowe assures, there is zero chance anybody is going to pry away a prized prospect. I believe that to mean nobody need inquire about Oscar Kleftbom.

But with $53 million likely to be tied up on the top 11 players, Lowe admits now that the picking of first overall draft choices is done and he’s not sitting around with Tambellini, MacGregor and his gang this week playing cards.

“We’re going to need to continue to draft well and we’re certainly going to need to develop well. We’re going to need draft picks to be developed to fit into spots.

“Our guys picked Eberle 22nd. We’re going to need to improve on an already improved scouting philosophy.”

As for the development, there’s suddenly concern that nobody has been developing worth a damn down in OKC lately.

“Obviously the ice time was slim with our guys down there,” said Lowe of Eberle, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Schultz with Magnus Paajarvi and Teemu Hartikainen also up to start the season.

“We left the team with a little bit of a void.”

Lowe says he’s confident that the Barons will start to show development progress again in short order.

After 30 years of basically not being in the minor-league development business at all, the big picture guys are not going to take their eyes off that, he swears. Even if now it’s hard not for all eyes to be on the big league club and the ride-the-bike, fall-off-the-bike, get-on-the-bike-again adventure they’re already having to start on their trip toward the top.



Thanks for coming out. Any other brain busters?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:05 AM ET
How did Schroeder play last night?
al3535
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:06 AM ET
Forget all of this. Cloutier just wrote about how the Oilers and Avalanche are battling for the division lead tonight! Clearly we need to freak out! Someone go get the molotovs.
- nucks_94




The guys nickname is Boner. Enough said.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:08 AM ET
How did Schroeder play last night?
- LeftCoaster


Not very noticeable either way. Lost all his face offs though
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:08 AM ET
Not very noticeable either way. Lost all his face offs though
- Scooby_Doo

Wasn't he at like 58% up until last night?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:11 AM ET
I stopped going to Fantasyland to hear Kessel for Richards Nash and Gaborik, or how Getzlaf and Perry are all but signed to the Leafs roster next year. Gets boring and tedious. If they lose big deal . I went yesterday after someone said it was a joke in there and I glanced over, and it was.

I kave no reason to go over and gloat in their misery, so why bother.

- VANTEL


I was there once last year. Read the half season report card blog, were the blogger gave virtually everyone A+ - B-. My response "well, I don't see how they won't win the cup this year."
2 day ban for trolling. Never gone back. Same with Eklund blogs.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:13 AM ET
Wasn't he at like 58% up until last night?
- LeftCoaster


No, I don't think it was that high.

Canucks are second worst in the league at 45%.

I think they were 25% after 2 periods last night.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:17 AM ET
No, I don't think it was that high.

Canucks are second worst in the league at 45%.

I think they were 25% after 2 periods last night.

- Scooby_Doo

I'm also reading this morning that Lappy had only just over 8 minutes of ice time because of a groin issue. Man we're hurting down the middle.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:18 AM ET
I'm also reading this morning that Lappy had only just over 8 minutes of ice time because of a groin issue. Man we're hurting down the middle.
- LeftCoaster


He took a bad penalty that led to a goal so AV benched him.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jan 28 @ 11:24 AM ET
I'll pick your ignorance and use it to respond to all the other ignorance in here. Garrison is not using his shot because he's not getting much chance to do so. Edler rarely passes the puck to him: all he does is shoot or flip it down to the corner. The Sedins don't even seem to be aware of where he is on the ice to get him the pass he's ready for. He's been sound defensively -- Edler has been the weakness there. As well, his contract is 4.6 not "5+ as noted by another ignorant one (or was that you as well?). Garrison has been just fine and it will get better as time goes on -- assuming the Sedins wake up and Edler smartens up.
- rdfred


Not sure what games you're watching.

Garrison has not been sound defensively. He's been a giveaway machine—constantly turns the puck over in his own zone when pressured, and he's made a number of ill timed pinches that have lead to rushes for the other team.

Really don't get why people think he's not getting set up, either. He's getting set up for the one-timer more than anybody on the team. Their forcing it way too much, and he's not doing a good job getting the puck through or hitting the net when he does.

I'm not worried. He's getting used to a new team, and all the D have struggled this season. It's just going to take some time to shake off the rust.
PEIHawkFan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 06.29.2012

Jan 28 @ 11:28 AM ET
Ian

What happened to What a Team??

Prediction 1
Canucks to beat Sharks

Prediction 2
Canucks to beat LA

What a team alright

Good thing they are in the Division they are in
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jan 28 @ 11:34 AM ET
Wasn't he at like 58% up until last night?
- LeftCoaster


Yup. He had 4 wins 8 losses.

Second only to Henrik in faceoff's last night. The Canucks got dominated in the circle.

Schroeder was one of the better players. Had a post and a few good shots off the rush.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jan 28 @ 11:35 AM ET
Ian

What happened to What a Team??

Prediction 1
Canucks to beat Sharks

Prediction 2
Canucks to beat LA

What a team alright

Good thing they are in the Division they are in

- PEIHawkFan


No poop.

Any team worth a damn should go 48-0 this season, right?

Jackass.
nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 12.05.2008

Jan 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
Ian

What happened to What a Team??

Prediction 1
Canucks to beat Sharks

Prediction 2
Canucks to beat LA

What a team alright

Good thing they are in the Division they are in

- PEIHawkFan

Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
Ian

What happened to What a Team??

Prediction 1
Canucks to beat Sharks

Prediction 2
Canucks to beat LA

What a team alright

Good thing they are in the Division they are in

- PEIHawkFan

boldirev
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:03 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS!

No new BS on Luongo BS rumors

This gives me great pleasure though to keep bringing it up as I know Van is stuck with his contract. Not even the buyout feature that reverts back to the Canucks is feasible because a team will still be stuck for the next 5 or 6 years with that contract for an average to slightly above average Goalie.

As a Hawks fan I have seen enough of his deteriorating skills over the last 3 years...Nice try Gillis

but you "Gotta score more"
nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 12.05.2008

Jan 28 @ 12:05 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS!

No new BS on Luongo BS rumors

This gives me great pleasure though to keep bringing it up as I know Van is stuck with his contract. Not even the buyout feature that reverts back to the Canucks is feasible because a team will still be stuck for the next 5 or 6 years with that contract for an average to slightly above average Goalie.

As a Hawks fan I have seen enough of his deteriorating skills over the last 3 years...Nice try Gillis

but you "Gotta score more"

- boldirev

Thanks for sharing!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 28 @ 12:07 PM ET
I'm starting to realize that wiping out the season wouldn't have been such a bad thing, just so that I wouldn't have to read the bipolar* reactions of fans from 30 teams.

Leafs have four points, but they suck. Canucks have five points, and they either suck, or are the best team in the league. If you really want to ride a steep rollercoaster, go check out the Flyers blog.

I know it's been a while since we had hockey, but people need to be reminded that no team can go the entire season (even a 48-gamer) and win every game.

It's the passion that unites us all.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

*does not refer to the sexual orientation of the Leafs' mascot.

- Atomic Wedgie



We have no secondary scoring ,our D has been horrible , we have no true second line, our third line shows up for every other game . Our best players have been a rookie and a 4 th liner. We have had moments of looking like the team that had the cup run. Our team has been Jekyll and Hyde. When a team is bipolar ,you can expect the fans to be bipolar, that goes along with the passion of the fans.

I don't expect both Getzlaf and Perry to sign in Vancouver. I don't think Canucks will be in on every big trade proposal . The biggest most of all is ,if Canucks were in the bottom 5 of the league and hadn;t made the playoffs in 7 years, I would not have 21 untouchables on my roster.
boldirev
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:11 PM ET
We have no secondary scoring ,our D has been horrible , we have no true second line, our third line shows up for every other game . Our best players have been a rookie and a 4 th liner. We have had moments of looking like the team that had the cup run. Our team has been Jekyll and Hyde. When a team is bipolar ,you can expect the fans to be bipolar, that goes along with the passion of the fans.

I don't expect both Getzlaf and Perry to sign in Vancouver. I don't think Canucks will be in on every big trade proposal . The biggest most of all is ,if Canucks were in the bottom 5 of the league and hadn;t made the playoffs in 7 years, I would not have 21 untouchables on my roster.

- VANTEL


I hope you realize that teams coming off a short training camp and playing such a hectic schedule will throw some teams off initially.

You cant make absolute comments after only 5 games when some players arent even in game shape yet (sad but true)
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Jan 28 @ 12:13 PM ET
?????????? What did they do to you?? Is that you Linus?
- Dean_Youngblood

He is the illegitimate child of Joey Moss.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 28 @ 12:14 PM ET
I hope you realize that teams coming off a short training camp and playing such a hectic schedule will throw some teams off initially.

You cant make absolute comments after only 5 games when some players arent even in game shape yet (sad but true)

- boldirev



Does that theory hold true for the second half of last year also? This is more of a continuation of where we were last year.

We are a good team , I am not convinced we are a great team. I figure we are somewhere in between 8 to 15 in the rankings.
boldirev
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:22 PM ET
Does that theory hold true for the second half of last year also? This is more of a continuation of where we were last year.

We are a good team , I am not convinced we are a great team. I figure we are somewhere in between 8 to 15 in the rankings.

- VANTEL


Sometimes its about how teams play the Canucks and not about their weaknesses. I dont think they have anything glaring just a few injuries(Kessler) and PR nightmares (Lu/Gillis)

on the Hawk page they freak out when they are down by two goals calling for eveyones head...even during our Cup run posters were taking issue when there was none. Its a long season is all im saying

after a 6-0 start The Hawks still need a physical Dman and a 2nd line scoring center and the goaltending?

who knows but Im not buying my teams hot start yet
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 28 @ 12:49 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS!

No new BS on Luongo BS rumors

This gives me great pleasure though to keep bringing it up as I know Van is stuck with his contract. Not even the buyout feature that reverts back to the Canucks is feasible because a team will still be stuck for the next 5 or 6 years with that contract for an average to slightly above average Goalie.

As a Hawks fan I have seen enough of his deteriorating skills over the last 3 years...Nice try Gillis

but you "Gotta score more"

- boldirev


I look forward to your posts every day. Your talent is overwhelming.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 1:31 PM ET
So explained to me how they are going to fill out the roster with almost half the cap spread amongst 5 to 6 players
- Yeti1181

The same way the blackhawks have.
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Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Jan 28 @ 1:56 PM ET
I'm starting to realize that wiping out the season wouldn't have been such a bad thing, just so that I wouldn't have to read the bipolar* reactions of fans from 30 teams.

Leafs have four points, but they suck. Canucks have five points, and they either suck, or are the best team in the league. If you really want to ride a steep rollercoaster, go check out the Flyers blog.

I know it's been a while since we had hockey, but people need to be reminded that no team can go the entire season (even a 48-gamer) and win every game.

It's the passion that unites us all.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

*does not refer to the sexual orientation of the Leafs' mascot.

- Atomic Wedgie

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