I bet there are TONS of offer sheets that have been sent around that no one ever found out about.

We normally only hear about the ones that players signed. Weber had a bunch of offer sheets he could have signed...
- Flyersgod

Pure speculation on my part... i can't remember if it was Brian Burke who said that or not...

They're buying out Tomas Kraperle.
- TimBits

Montreal has 2.2 million in cap space right now.

If you offer sheet Subban they only have 7 days to figure out what to do.

That risk is there whether you get him via trade or offer sheet.
- Flyersgod

The players salary in an Offer Sheet has to be elevated high enough, for the team holding the player's rights, to not match. That's going to require in most cases a drastic overpayment. With the new Contract rules. So the risk is significantly higher then if you trade for a player, and work out a fair and reasonable contract with the player.

What do you think is a good offer, Bill?
- JoeRussomanno

Five years, $25M.

The players salary in an Offer Sheet has to be elevated high enough, for the team holding the player's rights, to not match. That's going to require in most cases a drastic overpayment. With the new Contract rules. So the risk is significantly higher then if you trade for a player, and work out a fair and reasonable contract with the player.
- MJL

The point is.. you don't HAVE to do that. You offer him 5 a year, which is what he wants, and make Montreal pay him or not.

5 mil is over paying him already.

Montreal has 2.2 million in cap space right now.

If you offer sheet Subban they only have 7 days to figure out what to do.
- Flyersgod

Montreal has 6.4M in Cap space right now.

I like McGinn a lot also. He is strong on the puck on the fore check.
- MJL

Some interesting decisions up coming with the 3rd and 4th lines. Obviously, Laughton staying or going. What happens when Rinaldo is healthy? Does he sit or get reinserted. I believe McGinn has surpassed Sestito at this point in the season. I like the depth of the role forwards this year, pretty diverse in ability and can hold their own in the defensive end. I think Lava has done a good job to this point of not overly taxing his top 6 forwards.

Montreal has 2.2 million in cap space right now.

If you offer sheet Subban they only have 7 days to figure out what to do.
- Flyersgod

They have over 6 million. Contracts are also prorated so 5 million would cost the team like 2.8.

Cap Space isn't a problem for this year.

Montreal has 6.4M in Cap space right now.
- MJL

cap geek is wrong?

They're buying out Tomas Kraperle.
- TimBits

I would agree he would be the likely candidate.

They have over 6 million. Contracts are also prorated so 5 million would cost the team like 2.8.
Cap Space isn't a problem for this year.
- TimBits

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I'd be willing to pay Subban about 4M a year at this point. I think that is on the high side, but isn't outrageous.
- MJL

At $4M, I strongly suspect the Habs would grit their teeth and match it. At the $5M point, it's such a huge overpayment that they might not (though I still think they would). That's an outrageous salary for Subban at this point of his career, but it's the trade-off for trying to acquire his rights w/o dealing Couturier or Schenn.

The point is.. you don't HAVE to do that. You offer him 5 a year, which is what he wants, and make Montreal pay him or not.

5 mil is over paying him already.
- Flyersgod

That's true. But then don't expect to get the player. That's the whole point of an Offer Sheet. Then when Montreal matches. The player isn't available in a trade for one year. So if the whole point is to obtain the player, I don't see signing Subban to an Offer Sheet of that value, as a very good plan to obtain the player.

At $4M, I suspect the Habs would grit their teeth and match it. At $5M, it's such a huge overpayment that they might not (though I still think they would). That's an outrageous salary for Subban at this point of his career, but it's the trade-off for trying to acquire his rights w/o dealing Couturier or Schenn.
- bmeltzer

I've been saying this... but since i have 0 hockey relevance i understandbly was ignored..

That's true. But then don't expect to get the player. That's the whole point of an Offer Sheet. Then when Montreal matches. The player isn't available in a trade for one year. So if the whole point is to obtain the player, I don't see signing Subban to an Offer Sheet of that value, as a very good plan to obtain the player.
- MJL

I don't understand what you're not understanding.

It's a shame, if Read was 22 and a former first round pick his stock would be through the roof. Here's a bold prediction...Read leads the Flyers in goals this year. He develops so much chemistry with G and Simmonds and that Hartsy slides back on Briere's line.
- TheGreat28

i like this!
simm giroux read have some chemistry forming and to get the most out of briere i'd love to see him back with hartnell

At $4M, I suspect the Habs would grit their teeth and match it. At $5M, it's such a huge overpayment that they might not (though I still think they would). That's an outrageous salary for Subban at this point of his career, but it's the trade-off for trying to acquire his rights w/o dealing Couturier or Schenn.
- bmeltzer

I'd be shocked if Montreal would not match that. Unless you're willing to go even higher on an Offer Sheet. I think the best course of action is to try and work out a trade. If they're insistent on Couturier, then you move on.

Five years, $25M.
- bmeltzer

The longer Subban remains unsigned, the more receptive Montreal should be to a trade. I would wait a couple more weeks and then offer Read, Laughton, Gustafsson a 1st in 2013 and a 2nd in 2014.

It sounds like a lot, but I look at it this way: you keep Coots and Schenn and you are giving up a 2nd line winger, a young center who will most likely end up as a quality shut down 3rd line center, a young defenseman who probably will never be more than a #5 dman who plays on the 2nd pp unit, a hopefully late 1st and a 2nd; seems a pretty fair price for a 23 year old defenseman with excellent mobility and skills and the potential to be your number one Dman.

Comments??

The point is.. you don't HAVE to do that. You offer him 5 a year, which is what he wants, and make Montreal pay him or not.

5 mil is over paying him already.
- Flyersgod

5M per for a top pair dman is not an overpayment. whether you like him or not he is held in that high of a regard. he's a dynamic, game changing plyr who is improving. as he matures, he has the potential of being a top 10 dman leaguewide.

I'd be shocked if Montreal would not match that. Unless you're willing to go even higher on an Offer Sheet. I think the best course of action is to try and work out a trade. If they're insistent on Couturier, then you move on.
- MJL

They did insist on Couturier apparently.. thats why you now offer sheet him.

Just watched the game on DVR, this working business is a real inconvenience at times.

Great game all around last night. Good to see the Flyers put the hammer down early on a team that is crippled by injuries. I don't think Florida is a terrible team, they are playing terrible now, but I would expect them to get the ship turned around to some extent.

The best sign for the Flyers is Bryzgalov. He looks totally relaxed. He's making all the saves he should make, as well as making some of the ten bell variety.

Luke Schenn has been a pleasant surprise, he's been very steady the last two games, and overall has performed well. 11 hits, a goal, an assist. That's a hell of a game.

Knuble looked better than I thought he would. He was around the net a good amount, and played well on special teams.

Really like what I see from Mcginn. Very solid. I agree with the consensus, Laughton should be returned to Oshawa. He looks very promising, but I would prefer he continues to develop playing a top 6 forward role in Juniors.

Tough game tonight, hopefully the Flyers have some gas in the tank. I hope Laviolette sticks with Bryz.

They have over 6 million. Contracts are also prorated so 5 million would cost the team like 2.8.

Cap Space isn't a problem for this year.
- TimBits

Since the Cap is artificially at 70.3M this year. Cap Geek is using full Season values. So you would have to use the players full Season cap hit to be comparing apples to apples. But Montreal does have over 6M in Cap space.

5M per for a top pair dman is not an overpayment. whether you like him or not he is held in that high of a regard. he's a dynamic, game changing plyr who is improving. as he matures, he has the potential of being a top 10 dman leaguewide.
- isaiah520

I respectivly disagree...

I bet there are TONS of offer sheets that have been sent around that no one ever found out about.

We normally only hear about the ones that players signed. Weber had a bunch of offer sheets he could have signed...
- Flyersgod

I bet there isn't because if so, more players would sign them. This is assuming they're good offer sheets too but teams would be wasting their time doing it to begin with. Also when the flyers made one to weber a big deal was made last summer about how taboo it was. Furthermore offer sheets give leverage to the player in a negotiation which is also why it's considered taboo.

5M per for a top pair dman is not an overpayment. whether you like him or not he is held in that high of a regard. he's a dynamic, game changing plyr who is improving. as he matures, he has the potential of being a top 10 dman leaguewide.
- isaiah520

I think thats vastly over rating pk.