He'd be the Oilers best dman?

Run through the last 3 pages and get back to me. Your late to this party.
- mochoson

yeah i realize that, but yeah he would be the best..and please dont say j.schultz is better PLEASE dont

Shut up Clouts

Still not sure how anyone argues that as of right now, Eberle is our best player.
- sanfordnson

Its close. Theyre very different. Ebs is my fav player for sure. the ridiculous clutch goals he scores, how slick and shifty he is, his attitude etc. he's so dangerous. But halls skating, leading the rush, kamikaze style and puck possession might actually be more important to us right now.

At least early in this season, im gonna tend to agree with jack on whos been our best player.

Either way, they compliment each other well on and off the ice. Need em both

You provided his time on ice stat and his plus-minus, which is indicitive of absolutely nothing.

My arguement has nothing to do with his team. My argument is he's over-rated.

But I guess I'm wrong. After all, he was a plus six on a lottery team. Hell probably win the Norris this year if he ever accepts his 2 year, 5 million dollar offer. Quite a steal for an elite dman.
- mochoson

Time on ice and plus/minus mean nothing? What planet are you from? Get a clue rookie.

Hey guys, lots of talk about PK Subban on the board today. I'll just give my two cents and I'll bet you can appreciate it...

You know how everyone always judges Hall based on his numbers? and they don't actually watch him play live and see his effort/talent/etc.? I live in MTL and watch the Habs live a lot. PK is a bigmouth, smartass, agitating kid. I fully understand if others do not like him and I also understand how coaches and teammates love his heart.
He is the real deal though. His talent level is incredible and he is FULL of heart, enthusiasm, and confidence. I would welcome him with open arms on the Oilers and he would fit right in. He's waaaaaaaay better than people on the boards are giving credit for and I think it's a similar kind of thing with people basing opinions via highlights and stats. He's electric in the same type of way Hall is, but you can't really see that unless you're there.

Anyway, just my two bits. I wouldn't trade Taylor Hall for almost anyone.
- JLO961

This is a great post. And i agree

Some people just dont seem to understand true talent level without a huge statline.

Its close. Theyre very different. Ebs is my fav player for sure. the ridiculous clutch goals he scores, how slick and shifty he is, his attitude etc. he's so dangerous. But halls skating, leading the rush, kamikaze style and puck possession might actually be more important to us right now.

At least early in this season, im gonna tend to agree with jack on whos been our best player.

Either way, they compliment each other well on and off the ice. Need em both
- hugefemale dog77

It's close either way. Then there's El Nugo whose looking Datsyukian-like and he's not even 20 yet.

This is a great post. And i agree

Some people just dont seem to understand true talent level without a huge statline.
- hugefemale dog77

I haven't had the pleasure to see Nuge in person yet either, but it seems to me that he brings a lot more than meets the "television eye" and he does things with the puck and makes those subtle little Kovalev-like moves that only a select few are capable of. I hope he grows into manhood soon and gets some strength and toughness behind him (I guess like Kovalev...since I mentioned him already).

The vets need to go and get these rooks laid. A road-trip to MTL would do the trick.

Clearly don't watch a lot of leafs hockey. Which is understandable because why would you? but don't go saying something you don't know. Gardnier is not bad in his own end really at all. Especially considering he was a rookie last year and that not being his strong point he did very well in his own end. I'm also not stupid and going to come in here and say he's better than schultzs cause obviously he's more than likely going to be the better player of the two. At the same time Gardnier was probably one of if not the best Leafs Dman last year. He got sent down cause he missed 7 weeks of playing and the leafs are letting him play a bit before keeping him up but also because he doesn't have to clear waivers like other dmen on the roster do. They have to figure out what to do with people like franson, Komi, Fraser. He's not playing in the AHL cause he's not good enough to play in the NHL like some people are suggesting.
- LeafsFan64

i apologize and appreciate your reasonable reasoning

It's close either way. Then there's El Nugo whose looking Datsyukian-like and he's not even 20 yet.
- Jack-artist

El Nugo. Lol

Lots of angst in this little rant. PK is worth more than double what you've offered, Gardiner couldn't hold Schultz jock-strap he has so much less confidence and ability (mainly confidence), and when you Leaf fans get all red-faced it is more than a little obvious why. Go have a beer for f s.
- JLO961

If he's worth double that then why are the Habs only offering him a 2 year, 5 million dollar contract?

I'm not a Leafs fan btw, all I said was comparing either player to anyone, especially eachother, is stupid. NHL dmen need 300 games before they can be accurately judged. By them they've worked out most of their kinks. I think their both good players.

Its close. Theyre very different. Ebs is my fav player for sure. the ridiculous clutch goals he scores, how slick and shifty he is, his attitude etc. he's so dangerous. But halls skating, leading the rush, kamikaze style and puck possession might actually be more important to us right now.

At least early in this season, im gonna tend to agree with jack on whos been our best player.

Either way, they compliment each other well on and off the ice. Need em both
- hugefemale dog77

I do believe Hall is their best player, but I think Nuge might eventually turn out to be the best of the bunch. He's God on the PP, he's recently has shown an improvement in his two-way game and we all know he can produce.

Hey guys, lots of talk about PK Subban on the board today. I'll just give my two cents and I'll bet you can appreciate it...

You know how everyone always judges Hall based on his numbers? and they don't actually watch him play live and see his effort/talent/etc.? I live in MTL and watch the Habs live a lot. PK is a bigmouth, smartass, agitating kid. I fully understand if others do not like him and I also understand how coaches and teammates love his heart.

He is the real deal though. His talent level is incredible and he is FULL of heart, enthusiasm, and confidence. I would welcome him with open arms on the Oilers and he would fit right in. He's waaaaaaaay better than people on the boards are giving credit for and I think it's a similar kind of thing with people basing opinions via highlights and stats. He's electric in the same type of way Hall is, but you can't really see that unless you're there.

Anyway, just my two bits. I wouldn't trade Taylor Hall for almost anyone.
- JLO961

Great post.

You could make the argument that our 'fab 5 ' could have all been first overall picks. Who's the best? Eberle's always been my front runner, but another couple years will really tell. Schultz maybe in time, can't put a price on an elite defenseman.

Time on ice and plus/minus mean nothing? What planet are you from? Get a clue rookie.
- JLO961

Plus-minus is an absolutely useless stat.

Playing 25 minutes a night on a lottery team is also useless. It's indicitive of the teams depth. It doesn't mean he's a 25 minute a night defensmen.

Ill say it one more time: if Subban was that good, MTL would have resolved his contract issues awhile ago.

If he's worth double that then why are the Habs only offering him a 2 year, 5 million dollar contract?

I'm not a Leafs fan btw, all I said was comparing either player to anyone, especially eachother, is stupid. NHL dmen need 300 games before they can be accurately judged. By them they've worked out most of their kinks. I think their both good players.
- mochoson

You just argued that Subban is very over-valued, that he isn't worth anywhere near $5million, and then typed the words "only $5million"

don't reply to me anymore please. Go read about the importance of a plus/minus stat.

Plus-minus is an absolutely useless stat.

Playing 25 minutes a night on a lottery team is also useless. It's indicitive of the teams depth. It doesn't mean he's a 25 minute a night defensmen.

Ill say it one more time: if Subban was that good, MTL would have resolved his contract issues awhile ago.
- mochoson

Wow.

You just argued that Subban is very over-valued, that he isn't worth anywhere near $5million, and then typed the words "only $5million"

don't reply to me anymore please. Go read about the importance of a plus/minus stat.
- JLO961

You do realize a 2 year, 5 million dollar contract is different from a 2 year, 10 million dollar contract with an AAV of 5 million?

Please direct me to this source that explains a plus-minus' importance.

If your curious, Sami Salo leads the NHL in that category at the moment

Yah, I ignore dribble about things that are obviously non related. The leafs have been poop. Do you think you're more aware of this fact then a did hard leafs fan? I see this as pointless.

As someone who lives in edmonton I'm excited to continue to watch a good young team. Now fire the GM and Coach and Ill be even more pleased. However I don't buy the over hyped play of Shultz. A future pmd who'll play limited-no PK, and be a pp specialist. As someone who watched Kaberle for years, they're nice toys but nothing to write home about.
- 93Matty

Why would we fire Krueger? He's 2-1 so far this year as head coach. Leafs suck.

Wow.
- JLO961

Wow what? MTL won't give their "25 minute a night #1 defender" a 3-4 year deal of 3.5-4 mill per or a 2 year deal at 5 per. Seems awfully silly to start the season without the cornerstone of your blue line eating up all those minutes.

And here I thought the Habs were an NHL franchise. We should make YOU GM

Plus-minus is an absolutely useless stat.

Playing 25 minutes a night on a lottery team is also useless. It's indicitive of the teams depth. It doesn't mean he's a 25 minute a night defensmen.

Ill say it one more time: if Subban was that good, MTL would have resolved his contract issues awhile ago.
- mochoson

I really don't think +- is useless. Look at Patrice Bergeron, the guys like a plus 150 at 27 and he just won the selke. Then look at Yak. He's a minus 3 and quite frankly currently is useless in his own end. +- shouldn't matter THAT much on a terrible team but I don't see it as a useless stat. It can display defensive ability/inability.

Wow what? MTL won't give their "25 minute a night #1 defender" a 3-4 year deal of 3.5-4 mill per or a 2 year deal at 5 per. Seems awfully silly to start the season without the cornerstone of your blue line eating up all those minutes.

And here I thought the Habs were an NHL franchise. We should make YOU GM
- mochoson

Sorry, I'm still hung up on the +/- thing. I doubt I'll ever get past it. Your overly simplified math with the 1yr vs 2yr contract should also allow you to get the plusses and minusses right too, no?

Jamie Benn sure sucks too because he took so long to get signed by DAL. The entire NHLPA actually...they must ALL suck because of the lockout. It's a business son. Actually, if you're under 15 I apologize for being so aggressive (not an insult, I'm serious, it has happened to me before).

I really don't think +- is useless. Look at Patrice Bergeron, the guys like a plus 150 at 27 and he just won the selke. Then look at Yak. He's a minus 3 and quite frankly currently is useless in his own end. +- shouldn't matter THAT much on a terrible team but I don't see it as a useless stat. It can display defensive ability/inability.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Very true. I noticed the other day a Seattle player in the WHL was -6 in a 8-0 loss, that's an example of plus minus not being useless. Pretty much sums up the kid had a rough game.

Hell yeah! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
- laughs2907

Drinking early today?

Plus-minus is an absolutely useless stat.

Playing 25 minutes a night on a lottery team is also useless. It's indicitive of the teams depth. It doesn't mean he's a 25 minute a night defensmen.

Ill say it one more time: if Subban was that good, MTL would have resolved his contract issues awhile ago.
- mochoson

Jamie Benn is pretty freaking good and it took a while to get his contract sorted.