For any of you still wondering between Seguin vs Hall, Seguin in 4 games this season has 1 assist, while Hall in 3 games has 1 goal and 2 assists, so obviously we choose right

Yah, I ignore dribble about things that are obviously non related. The leafs have been poop. Do you think you're more aware of this fact then a did hard leafs fan? I see this as pointless.

As someone who lives in edmonton I'm excited to continue to watch a good young team. Now fire the GM and Coach and Ill be even more pleased. However I don't buy the over hyped play of Shultz. A future pmd who'll play limited-no PK, and be a pp specialist. As someone who watched Kaberle for years, they're nice toys but nothing to write home about.
- 93Matty

Krueger is not going anywhere anytime soon. He is exactly the coach that this team needs.

Moch is a Flyers fan. Hes being ironic or something.
- sanfordnson

I am going to go with something??? I guess that explains his hate for Subban also.

[quote=spitfire187]Shultz is better. End of story. Sorry bro]

You've won me over, great point. Fantastic mind control you have, or is it brain control.

Jake>Shultz till he has a comparable year in the NHL. Till the. Keep dreaming and tanking.
- 93Matty

Can't tell if you are serious or just stupid

Can't tell if you are serious or just stupid
- ALEDDO

I think a lot of both so I say seriously stupid?

WTF Clouts people already thought you had some screw loose but this takes the cake.

http://thehockeywriters.c...+%28The+Hockey+Writers%29

WTF Clouts people already thought you a some screw loose but this takes the cake.

http://thehockeywriters.c...+%28The+Hockey+Writers%29
- Oil Tycoon

Wow, as if him writing terrible blogs for the oilers wasn't enough, poor poor flames fans, I feel bad for them now.

WTF Clouts people already thought you a some screw loose but this takes the cake.

http://thehockeywriters.c...+%28The+Hockey+Writers%29
- Oil Tycoon

NOT COOL BONE!

No, he didnt play the "entire season against top lines".

He's not, at this time, a player you can consider a cornerstone defender. Period. Saying he played 25 minutes a game means nothing on a lottery team. If anything, it means he was probably used to much.

- mochoson

The link I provide prove that he played agains top players.

Not too bad +8 for a player that played too much for one of the worst team in the NHL...

I know, I was trying to be funny.... Swing and a miss.

At least he was honest about his vision. IMO that was Burke's downfall. He could have sold a better rebuild. We could have battled for years for worst team in the NHL.

Burke had to go and make us somewhat competitive, and because of that we'll need another "retool" sooner the. If we had rebuilt the proper way.
- 93Matty

OK OK I can't stand it. I know I am going to step in it here......but lets talk reality.
Burke has been GM for what 4 years before being fired?
You realize anything below 16th isn't competitive in a league that sends more than half the teams to the playoffs. since Burke has been in TO the leafs have finished 24th, 29th, 22nd, 26th,
Yes I know the Oilers have finished 20th,30th,30th,29th in the same time and yes we were not competitive.

Paajarvi AND a 2nd for Subban? That's more then fair.

This is PK Subban, not Alex Pietrangelo. Idk why everyone thinks he's this budding Norris Trophy candidate. He's a good young dman, no doubt. But some of the offers I've seen for him are insane. Couldn't be more obvious half the people on this website haven't really seen him play. The 5-6 million dollar tags associate with his name is even more hilarious.

And to the genius' arguing "Schultz vs. Gardiner", your all (frank)ing lame. Lets sit there and argue who's a better NHL player: The guy who's played 1 season vs. The guy who's played 5 games.

News flash Richardfaces: Their not comparable. Bring it up again when both guys have played 300 games, 150 at the absolute least. (frank)ing Christ. I know every fan-base loves hypin up young players, but seriously. These are ROOKIE NHL DEFENSMEN. The same players you all say "need time to properly develop and adjust to the NHL". How about we be patient and let them do so? Maybe? Yes?
- mochoson

If Bergevin is looking to trade Subban he has every reason to ask for the moon. I'm one of Paajarvi's biggest supporters and I wouldn't touch that deal from a Montreal perspective. He might not be a 5 million dollar player now, but he's not far off and in 2-3 years that's a bargain. Pietrangelo is probably the crown jewel of young defensemen and he'll get close to Doughty money, so the comparison between him and Subban falls a little short.

Ya I kind of have to believe you and not the fan of a defunct NHL franchise's opinion. Though I hate PK Subban's cocky attitude and the many unflattering stories I have read about him... He would definitely be top 2 on the Oilers for a lot of years. MPS and a song for him? Ya ok. Where is Mad Mike Milbury when you need him?
- al3535

Lol @ your life for thinking I'm a Thrashers Dan

Does anybody have a link to what salary equals what for compensation for RFA's?
- al3535

Google, I'd copy direct but I'm on my phone. I think after like 3.7 mill it goes from a 2nd to a 1st and a third, 1st 2nd 3rd a you get into the 5 mil range, then it's like 4 1sts

I am going to go with something??? I guess that explains his hate for Subban also.
- al3535

I hate Subban? Weird. I thought I was making the distinction between a good, young player like Subban and a franchise dman like Pietrangelo.

So I'm confused, I'm a racist then, yes?

Riddle me this, would you trade Shultz for gardener?
- spitfire187

no.
1) Gardiner is a liability in his own end. piss-poor defensively
2)They both played at wisconsin and their coach said Schultz is even better offensively(where Gardiner's value lies)

Gardiner has already been sent down.
Gardiner'll be like #3 D man while Schultzy'll be a top pairing D

The link I provide prove that he played agains top players.

Not too bad +8 for a player that played too much for one of the worst team in the NHL...
- Dlkif

Your case for Subban being a good player is mentioning his plus-minus stat?

Thank you, come again.

[quote=spitfire187]Shultz is better. End of story. Sorry bro]

You've won me over, great point. Fantastic mind control you have, or is it brain control.

Jake>Shultz till he has a comparable year in the NHL. Till the. Keep dreaming and tanking.
- 93Matty

Look at schultz's AHL and college numbers compared to Gardiner. And even look at his defensive play in the NHL. It's solid. Gardiner is awful in his own end.

If Bergevin is looking to trade Subban he has every reason to ask for the moon. I'm one of Paajarvi's biggest supporters and I wouldn't touch that deal from a Montreal perspective. He might not be a 5 million dollar player now, but he's not far off and in 2-3 years that's a bargain. Pietrangelo is probably the crown jewel of young defensemen and he'll get close to Doughty money, so the comparison between him and Subban falls a little short.
- Jack-artist

Agree. Subban is not Pietrangello or Doughty. But he already a good defenseman, he will be part of the elite sooner than later. Right now he deserve more money than Del Zotto.


For fun. Does the Oilers could win more game with Subban instead of Hall in their line up?

Edit : Don't make me wrong here. I don't compare Subban to Hall. Hall is #1 draft pick a franchise player. Just asking because the Oilers needs defenseman and they have a lot of talented players up front.

[quote=spitfire187]Shultz is better. End of story. Sorry bro]

You've won me over, great point. Fantastic mind control you have, or is it brain control.

Jake>Shultz till he has a comparable year in the NHL. Till the. Keep dreaming and tanking.
- 93Matty

I'd take petry over Gardiner as the oilers already have the improved version of gardiner and arent in dire need of letting in more goals.

Also by that logic, Mike Komisarek>Seth Jones because Jones hasn't had as good of an NHL season as komi has.

Agree. Subban is not Pietrangello or Doughty. But he already a good defenseman, he will be part of the elite sooner than later. Right now he deserve more money than Del Zotto.


For fun. Does the Oilers could win more game with Subban instead of Hall in their line up?
- Dlkif

Hell no.

If Bergevin is looking to trade Subban he has every reason to ask for the moon. I'm one of Paajarvi's biggest supporters and I wouldn't touch that deal from a Montreal perspective. He might not be a 5 million dollar player now, but he's not far off and in 2-3 years that's a bargain. Pietrangelo is probably the crown jewel of young defensemen and he'll get close to Doughty money, so the comparison between him and Subban falls a little short.
- Jack-artist

He's displayed he's not willing to go past a certain amount of dollars/years to a young RFA. Where your getting he has all this power is beyond me.

You can demand nothing in a trade once an offer sheet is out. It's then up to you to match it. For a rebuilding team like the Habs, after a certain point accepting a trade or those picks is attractive.

Does MTL match? Probably. Unless the offer is ridiculous. But there's no way for any of us to predict if they will or if an offer sheet will ever even come, so well see.

The point of me mentioning Pietrangelo was to provide an example of the kind of Dman most casual fans think Subban is. What your accusin me of is exactly what I intended.

Would I trade Shultz for Jake ? As an Oiler fan no because he fits into the shiny new toy concept that you continually sell.

Would I trade Jake for Shultz, at this point it's too close to a wash. We know what we have in Jake, Shultz is still a question mark. However the concussion Jake had might push me into accepting a trade.

They're very similar players, both far better offensively then playing defence. Shultz in his own zone looks so lost and scared.
- 93Matty

I'm not sure if this guys serious or trolling. Have you watched Schultz play? He was up against the Thornton line against SJ and was an even +- with a goal on the PP. Gardiner is basically a less offensively-gifted Mike Green. He can put up some points but is poop in his own end.

Agree. Subban is not Pietrangello or Doughty. But he already a good defenseman, he will be part of the elite sooner than later. Right now he deserve more money than Del Zotto.


For fun. Does the Oilers could win more game with Subban instead of Hall in their line up?
- Dlkif

In my honest opinion, Hall is the Oilers' best player, so it would be quite the tradeoff. Hard to say, but Hall is so important to our puck possession game as it as that I would say we win more games with him than Subban.

Yah, I ignore dribble about things that are obviously non related. The leafs have been poop. Do you think you're more aware of this fact then a did hard leafs fan? I see this as pointless.

As someone who lives in edmonton I'm excited to continue to watch a good young team. Now fire the GM and Coach and Ill be even more pleased. However I don't buy the over hyped play of Shultz. A future pmd who'll play limited-no PK, and be a pp specialist. As someone who watched Kaberle for years, they're nice toys but nothing to write home about.
- 93Matty

Nothing to write home about? Who's that Ottawa defenceman that nobody talk about? Doesn't play the PK but lights up the PP and ES. Hmm. Don't remember his name as per the fact that nobody writes home about high-end offensive D men.

I've come to the conclusion that this guy is trolling.

In my honest opinion, Hall is the Oilers' best player, so it would be quite the tradeoff. Hard to say, but Hall is so important to our puck possession game as it as that I would say we win more games with him than Subban.
- Jack-artist

You without question need Hall more. Hall is an elite talent.

Again, Subban is a very talented young dman. I just think its funny how everyone's saying Subban will definitely be amongst the Pietrangelos, Doughtys and Karlssons when all of those guys are already cornerstones of their TEAMS, not even just their blue-lines, and they were all drafted after him.

Could Subban be in that discussion eventually? Of course. Am I really not making that much sense here? Does no one get what I'm saying?