Trade Subban and Eller to Islanders for Nino Niederieter, Visnovski and defensive prospect...or if Snow had some balls...offer Subban a 6 year $5 Million per offer sheet...
- kear20

Good lord, I can't stand the Habs and that deal looks entirely lopsided for NYI.

- pker2theend

Price is great at stopping flying black objects!

Mind = blown.
- JSC

Light up another one dude

Difference here is that Karlsson is an offensive player, Subban is an all round D-man. His point total is not high but his defensive side of the puck is. Kid finioshed +9 on one of the wrost teams in the NHL going against the NHL's best.

Second look around the league at comparable players. Who are they and what are they making?
- willey101

like who?

MDZ - 2.5mil
staal - 3.9mil
fowler - 4mil
letang - 3.5mil
carlson - 3.9mil

the only guy on that list that i probably take subban over is MDZ.

and using +/- to judge his defensive game is ridiculous. it's the least telling stat in the entire NHL. filip kuba had the 3rd highest +/- in the NHL last year.

karlsson is TEN TIMES the d-man that subban is, and P.K. has no business making anywhere near the same money as him.

if the guy wasn't a "flamboyant" type of player, nobody would be talking about him getting this kind of money. his play on the ice IN NO WAY justifies him getting over 5 mil, especially not coming off an ELC.

Isles trade Mayfield or Reinhart, Dehaan and rights to Viz for Subban? too much given up by Isles? not enough?

like who?

MDZ - 2.5mil
staal - 3.9mil
fowler - 4mil
letang - 3.5mil
carlson - 3.9mil

the only guy on that list that i probably take subban over is MDZ.

and using +/- to judge his defensive game is ridiculous. it's the least telling stat in the entire NHL. filip kuba had the 3rd highest +/- in the NHL last year.

karlsson is TEN TIMES the d-man that subban is, and P.K. has no business making anywhere near the same money as him.

if the guy wasn't a "flamboyant" type of player, nobody would be talking about him getting this kind of money. his play on the ice IN NO WAY justifies him getting over 5 mil, especially not coming off an ELC.
- sensarmy_11

Wow, an eye opener, especially Letang at 3.5

I really like PK but looking at this list a team offering a 4 mil long term contract can probably snap Subban. Do it Homer!

if the guy wasn't a "flamboyant" type of player, nobody would be talking about him getting this kind of money. his play on the ice IN NO WAY justifies him getting over 5 mil, especially not coming off an ELC.
- sensarmy_11

He would get it on the open market easy, but that's the point of RFA. The Habs won't have to worry about that for a few more years so there is no point overpaying now.

P.K. and his agent obviously disagree but the Habs are holding all the chips.

He would get it on the open market easy, but that's the point of RFA. The Habs won't have to worry about that for a few more years so there is no point overpaying now.

P.K. and his agent obviously disagree but the Habs are holding all the chips.
- noffsin6

i agree with that, but no way, coming off an ELC, with his numbers, should he expect to get over 5 mil.

if i'm the GM in montreal, i'm either trading him, or letting his ass rot....NO WAY i give him anywhere close to what he's asking for. MAX i'd go is 4 mil.

He would get it on the open market easy, but that's the point of RFA. The Habs won't have to worry about that for a few more years so there is no point overpaying now.

P.K. and his agent obviously disagree but the Habs are holding all the chips.
- noffsin6

PK is getting so pizzed that he will demand a trade soon! MB should seriously look at upgrading his team with what he could get from an asset like Subban.

If you acquired Subban and gave up Couturier then there would be a gaping whole with the Flyers. Plus we'd have Desharnais, Plekanec, Eller, galchenyuk, Couturier and White.
- willey101

Giroux
Briere
Schenn (moved back)
Loughton / Wellwood / Talbot / Even Fedo can play center

at center without him. Flyers never have a shortage of centers. That would not be the issue. The issue is you are giving me Sirloin for a Tomahawk Ribeye.

For the right player the Habs would break their so-called rule of not signing guys long term. Subban is just not that player. I would agree that giving a player like him that security is not best idea, however.

Someone already gave the right answer: neither.

Sign for two years at 4M per is the best option. If someone offer sheets below 4.7M counter the offer sheet, if between 4.7M and 6.24M it depends on how high that team is likely to pick at the next draft, if it's above 6.24M let him leave regardless.

PK is getting so pizzed that he will demand a trade soon! MB should seriously look at upgrading his team with what he could get from an asset like Subban.
- flyerdude17

The only way he will get fair value for PK is to let him sit a while. He might get a decent deal at the trade deadline or in the summer. This early in the season when everybody is still in it they are not going to give up key assets to get him.

$5m is really insulting for the best north american diver since greg louganis.

like who?

MDZ - 2.5mil
staal - 3.9mil
fowler - 4mil
letang - 3.5mil
carlson - 3.9mil

the only guy on that list that i probably take subban over is MDZ.

and using +/- to judge his defensive game is ridiculous. it's the least telling stat in the entire NHL. filip kuba had the 3rd highest +/- in the NHL last year.

karlsson is TEN TIMES the d-man that subban is, and P.K. has no business making anywhere near the same money as him.

if the guy wasn't a "flamboyant" type of player, nobody would be talking about him getting this kind of money. his play on the ice IN NO WAY justifies him getting over 5 mil, especially not coming off an ELC.
- sensarmy_11

First off nobody is saying $6.5 million because Karlsson is an amazing offensive player and Subban is not that type of player.

But if you disregard his abilities then you are underestimating the guy. He is the best Dman on the team. Plays the most minutes, plays against oppositions best and excels in his own zone. He is a very good all around player who definitely still has alot to learn.

Is he an elite player right now, no but he is also a player who's stock is on the rise.

And yes the compatibles you have are crazy especially Letang but the problem is that there are many RFA contracts out there all over the place.

Myers: $5.5
Pitkanen: $4.5
Doughty: $7
Green $6.1

So yes there are guys in the $4 million range and then there are guys in the $6 million range which is why he'll likely settle in the $5 million range.

And yes alot of that is because he is flamboyant because he is a king in this city, beleoved by all and sells a crap load of tshirts and jerseys for the organization.

$5m is really insulting for the best north american diver since greg louganis.
- ron_mexico7

Maybe the Canucks will get him...

People from the other teams need to stop looking at his numbers.

He logged 25+ mins per match replacing markov in his 2nd year in the NHL, playing as the #1 D for this team (of course habs sucked and we had no one else, but he was on another lvl compared to our other 5 (except gorges)).

Plays physical, great speed/skating, hard shot (still need accuracy).

Only negative point for him: he's affraid to block shots (used to close his eyes when a shot was coming).

He's the complete package you want in your first pair of D.

Whatever you guys think, he deserves his 8years 5-6 M contract, it's just not the way it works in montreal.

If they sign him more than they signed price and paccioretty with their bridge contract, it sends the wrong msg to the players. He needs to be treated the same way.

Maybe the Canucks will get him...
- Flyfreaky

People from the other teams need to stop looking at his numbers.

He logged 25+ mins per match replacing markov in his 2nd year in the NHL, playing as the #1 D for this team (of course habs sucked and we had no one else, but he was on another lvl compared to our other 5 (except gorges)).

Plays physical, great speed/skating, hard shot (still need accuracy).

Only negative point for him: he's affraid to block shots (used to close his eyes when a shot was coming).

He's the complete package you want in your first pair of D.

Whatever you guys think, he deserves his 8years 5-6 M contract, it's just not the way it works in montreal.

If they sign him more than they signed price and paccioretty with their bridge contract, it sends the wrong msg to the players. He needs to be treated the same way.
- jdacosta

if he was worth Court you would not think twice about that contract. Not even a question. other teams know that as well. its not like the habs are coming off back to back cup appearances.. this so-called strategy is not exactly leading them to the promise land.

People from the other teams need to stop looking at his numbers.

He logged 25+ mins per match replacing markov in his 2nd year in the NHL, playing as the #1 D for this team (of course habs sucked and we had no one else, but he was on another lvl compared to our other 5 (except gorges)).

Plays physical, great speed/skating, hard shot (still need accuracy).

Only negative point for him: he's affraid to block shots (used to close his eyes when a shot was coming).

He's the complete package you want in your first pair of D.

Whatever you guys think, he deserves his 8years 5-6 M contract, it's just not the way it works in montreal.

If they sign him more than they signed price and paccioretty with their bridge contract, it sends the wrong msg to the players. He needs to be treated the same way.
- jdacosta

Actually finished 2nd on the team in that catagory.

First off nobody is saying $6.5 million because Karlsson is an amazing offensive player and Subban is not that type of player.

But if you disregard his abilities then you are underestimating the guy. He is the best Dman on the team. Plays the most minutes, plays against oppositions best and excels in his own zone. He is a very good all around player who definitely still has alot to learn.

Is he an elite player right now, no but he is also a player who's stock is on the rise.

And yes the compatibles you have are crazy especially Letang but the problem is that there are many RFA contracts out there all over the place.

Myers: $5.5
Pitkanen: $4.5
Doughty: $7
Green $6.1

So yes there are guys in the $4 million range and then there are guys in the $6 million range which is why he'll likely settle in the $5 million range.

And yes alot of that is because he is flamboyant because he is a king in this city, beleoved by all and sells a crap load of tshirts and jerseys for the organization.
- willey101

green and pitkanen signed their deals as UFA's, you can't compare him to those guys.

i think everyone can agree that myers is brutally overpaid, subban's agent would be stupid to use that as a comparison. and doughty signed his deal coming off a season where he was a norris finalist.

and i dont' care how many t-shirts you sell, you get paid for what you do on the ice, and what he does on teh ice does not warrant a 5mil + deal

chris neil sells lots of t-shrits in ottawa, people love him, should ottawa pay him based on that?

if you're happy with your team paying 5mil + for him then that's fine, but your GM would be stupid to give him that much.

Ek is really phoning it in this season..

Maybe the Canucks will get him...
- Flyfreaky

green and pitkanen signed their deals as UFA's, you can't compare him to those guys.

i think everyone can agree that myers is brutally overpaid, subban's agent would be stupid to use that as a comparison. and doughty signed his deal coming off a season where he was a norris finalist.

and i dont' care how many t-shirts you sell, you get paid for what you do on the ice, and what he does on teh ice does not warrant a 5mil + deal

chris neil sells lots of t-shrits in ottawa, people love him, should ottawa pay him based on that?

if you're happy with your team paying 5mil + for him then that's fine, but your GM would be stupid to give him that much.
- sensarmy_11

PJ Stock sold many Ts in Boston

First off nobody is saying $6.5 million because Karlsson is an amazing offensive player and Subban is not that type of player.

But if you disregard his abilities then you are underestimating the guy. He is the best Dman on the team. Plays the most minutes, plays against oppositions best and excels in his own zone. He is a very good all around player who definitely still has alot to learn.

Is he an elite player right now, no but he is also a player who's stock is on the rise.

And yes the compatibles you have are crazy especially Letang but the problem is that there are many RFA contracts out there all over the place.

Myers: $5.5
Pitkanen: $4.5
Doughty: $7
Green $6.1

So yes there are guys in the $4 million range and then there are guys in the $6 million range which is why he'll likely settle in the $5 million range.

And yes alot of that is because he is flamboyant because he is a king in this city, beleoved by all and sells a crap load of tshirts and jerseys for the organization.
- willey101

also, i'm not underestimating subban. i think he's a very good player, and i would be happy to have him on my team. but i would be pissed if my GM gave him 1.5-2 mil more than he was worth, especially when the cap is going down almost 15 million next season.

Maybe the Canucks will get him...
- Flyfreaky

our biggest diver is our backup goalie......

the guy your gm wants to replace your starter.