Is it possible that the other team is Boston? and the other player is Thomas and his caphit?...or the NYI and Dipietro?...or TB and Lecavalier?..
- JIMI-JAMES

i think it's possible that the other team doesn't exist.

if you have an adequate deal which is going to benefit the team.. why take it to the media? if there we're 4 or 5 teams openly interested in luongo.. maybe. i don't believe there's ever been any team who's done more than kick the tires.. and walk away laughing at the pricetag.

we've had two 5th overall picks since 2008.. you wealth of knowledge you.

you clearly have a lack of understanding of what's in the leafs system. mark owuya is projected to succeed more at the nhl level than any prospect not named eddie lack in the vancouver system. i do believe he's a solid third on toronto's prospect chart in goal, and barely top 10 in the entire franchise.

that's also if you don't include gardiner, kadri, and komarov.. who are playing in the nhl.

it's really not even close. but hey! i hear corrado is a lock for the 2018 olympic team. why even care about what the leafs have?
- joel878

Foolish leaf fan..... just because you gave away all your 1st rounders in bad trades doesn't win the argument that you should have more in your cupboards considering you have been a bottom level team for so long. Even Columbus with there amazing drafting lol has made the playoffs in that period of time.

HAHAHA... Ek even us as the fans know this is nothing but a game Gillis is playing by himself..Is he really that stupid as to think Nonis is going to buy into this crap and then suddenly up his offer or for that matter give in to Gillis and give him what he want's..Seriously he needs to dump Lou now and take whatever the best offer he has on the table..To keep playing the same game over and over again is not helping him a bit..I understand he is trying to get something decent so he wont look like a complete idiot for giving him that contract in the first place but when will reality set in for him.
- ALeafsFan4Ever

i agree. loungo is going nowhere. that contract is a killer. vancouver would have to give big time to dump the contract and there is no point doing that when they can just buy him out in the summer.

Foolish leaf fan..... just because you gave away all your 1st rounders in bad trades doesn't win the argument that you should have more in your cupboards considering you have been a bottom level team for so long. Even Columbus with there amazing drafting lol has made the playoffs in that period of time.
- SMP8719

dumbass

there was no argument that there should be more in the system..

it was an argument that what we have is good, especially when stacked up against another ignorant vancouver fans opinion that 'with all the top draft picks we've had' the amount of young talent we have is validatable.

there was at no point an argument that the leafs should have more.

(frank)ing donkey.

another source, an excellent source familiar with this, just confirmed to me that Toronto is the ONLY team even close to a deal, and that the Canucks are claiming a deal is on the table with the Flyers but have already said they won't do the one thing the Flyers require...taking back Bryz. this a game
- Eklund

Take back Bryzgalov? ROFL! Yeah, I imagine Philadelphia would do that deal. I have no idea why Vancouver would though.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

In other words, there may be no "mystery" team. If there is - not convinced there is but allow for possibility - deal not imminent at all.

you guys just keep lining up to pretend your GM isn't panicking, and completely grasping at straws.

high 5.

For how sh!tty the Leafs have done for the past dozen years there is no excuse not to have a great pool of talent on your farm. You wanna come at me with such attitude and high and mighty prospect pool, and you come out bragging about Ashton, Frattin, Colborne and Finn. Give me a fu(king break. You call the Canucks prospect pool sad and a joke, yet the Leafs have a joke of talent there as well, with hardly anyone guaranteed to make it in the bigs. Losers get high draft picks every year right, so why don't the Leafs have elite talent and prospects.
- moondawg

The Leafs havent been bottom feeding for the whole time. Too many 9-12th place finishes. That said, if were to brag about our youth it would be Rielly. Not just the ones you mentioned, whole are only some of the names. The Leafs prospect pool is light years better than the Canucks, and its only going to become more evident as time passes by. The other fact you ignore is there is a whole slew of players on the team that are young like Kessel, JVR, Kadri to Gardiner etc.

Its not even close. The Canucks roster is old, lacks depth, too many injury issues. Couple that with one of the worst prospect pools in the league and you have a distaster looming. The window is closing, faster tha you all can keep lying to yourselves.

While that elite status is missing, there is still a strong nucleas to finally have a future worth looking forwad to. This team is the 2nd youngest team in the league for a reason. A reason you're denying through childish tantrums or denial.

dumbass

there was no argument that there should be more in the system..

it was an argument that what we have is good, especially when stacked up against another ignorant vancouver fans opinion that 'with all the top draft picks we've had' the amount of young talent we have is validatable.

there was at no point an argument that the leafs should have more.

(frank)ing donkey.


- joel878

Why compare systems of a team that finishes near the top for years and a team that finishes at the bottom for years.

Franking Donkey poop!!!!

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

In other words, there may be no "mystery" team. If there is - not convinced there is but allow for possibility - deal not imminent at all.

you guys just keep lining up to pretend your GM isn't panicking, and completely grasping at straws.

high 5.
- joel878

Why does Lou have to go? He may want to, but he doesn't need to.

i would.. but it really is an outside perspective.

your cap situation for next season reaks. it's quite possibly worst in the nhl.

sedins are off the books next season.. are they going to want to re-up for a window that is clearly closing?

there really isn't a whole lot of bright spots in your prospect system.. don't believe the hype on corrado. it really is internal in vancouver.. and that's it.

5 of your blueliners are signed for over 4.2 mil a season.. with the earliest going to come off the books in 2015.

that's if we throw the current goaltending situation aside.

yes.. i believe the canucks really are (frank)ed.
- joel878

I bet the Sedins do re-sign in Vancouver. Can't see them leaving the city really.

As for the prospect system, agree 100%, although there are a few who could surprise. I think Jensen will surprise a few. Certainly their scouting system/development has had issues in the past few years.

Ballard will not be back next year - traded for a bag of pucks, or bought out.

If they trade Lu, and Scheider plays as well as the hype and previous play last year, they'll be fine. If Schneider poops the bed, then yes, they are (frank)ed.

I also do believe that most outsiders undervalue the Leaf farm. I'm a fan of both teams, spent a good chunk of my life in Van and am back in Toronto. If there is one thing I know about hockey fans is that they usually overvalue their own players and undervalue others.

Why compare systems of a team that finishes near the top for years and a team that finishes at the bottom for years.

Franking Donkey poop!!!!
- SMP8719

... because i was asked by another fan of your team to make said comparison?

"smart like a satchel of goat hairs that fella".

Why does Lou have to go? He may want to, but he doesn't need to.
- Deadmau55

To get them under the cap next season. Have you seen their cap situation? Its horrible. They have to buy out Ballard, Booth and trade Luongo just to get under the cap and have some semblance of depth and not a poopload of AHL plugs. One of the goalies have to go.

Why does Lou have to go? He may want to, but he doesn't need to.
- Deadmau55

apparently he wants to go, and everyone in vancouver wants him to go. from the fans to the organization.

can't see the organization pitching to the media all summer about schneider being their #1 guy if they didn't feel like luongo's days we're done.

The Leafs havent been bottom feeding for the whole time. Too many 9-12th place finishes. That said, if were to brag about our youth it would be Rielly. Not just the ones you mentioned, whole are only some of the names. The Leafs prospect pool is light years better than the Canucks, and its only going to become more evident as time passes by. The other fact you ignore is there is a whole slew of players on the team that are young like Kessel, JVR, Kadri to Gardiner etc.

Its not even close. The Canucks roster is old, lacks depth, too many injury issues. Couple that with one of the worst prospect pools in the league and you have a distaster looming. The window is closing, faster tha you all can keep lying to yourselves.
- systemtool

if vancouver gets the sedins back they will be fine. espcially because they get to buy out loungo this summer. their d is locked for years to come and can roll 2 really good scoring lines. i think they will be ok for the foreseable future. on the flip side of the coin i think toronto is finally looking like a team and not just a bunch of spare parts (nothing personal by that). i dont see you guys as being far off from having success in the east.

if vancouver gets the sedins back they will be fine. espcially because they get to buy out loungo this summer. their d is locked for years to come and can roll 2 really good scoring lines. i think they will be ok for the foreseable future. on the flip side of the coin i think toronto is finally looking like a team and not just a bunch of spare parts (nothing personal by that). i dont see you guys as being far off from having success in the east.
- joshs

They'll be fine but for how long? The Sedins are what, 32-33 now?

What depth do they have? What two good lines can they roll next year? Have you seen next years roster and their cap issues? I worry about the C position for both teams though.

Thanks for the Toronto thoughts. Your team look set to make the playoffs this season. Good mix of size, skill and good goaltending.

... because i was asked by another fan of your team to make said comparison?

"smart like a satchel of goat hairs that fella".
- joel878

If I asked you to eat that satchel would you..... probably... just like the herd of leaf fans watching their losing team year after year and proclaiming how good there players are. I was at the last couple leaf games in van... and it was an embarrassing time to be a leaf fan. May as well have been playing an AHL team.

we've had two 5th overall picks since 2008.. you wealth of knowledge you.

you clearly have a lack of understanding of what's in the leafs system. mark owuya is projected to succeed more at the nhl level than any prospect not named eddie lack in the vancouver system. i do believe he's a solid third on toronto's prospect chart in goal, and barely top 10 in the entire franchise.

that's also if you don't include gardiner, kadri, and komarov.. who are playing in the nhl.

it's really not even close. but hey! i hear corrado is a lock for the 2018 olympic team. why even care about what the leafs have?
- joel878

Holy fu(k man, you don't get it. You shouldn't even have to compare Leafs prospect vs canucks prospects. You guys have sucked for so long that you should be miles ahead of us in every category in regards to prospects, but you're not.

It's not my fault you had 2 5th overall picks since 2008. That's my point, you have jack sh!t for how crappy you have been.

atleast they actually look like a team this year and not a bunch of spare parts. although its only been 2 games.
- joshs

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be competitive, just having some fun

I bet the Sedins do re-sign in Vancouver. Can't see them leaving the city really.

As for the prospect system, agree 100%, although there are a few who could surprise. I think Jensen will surprise a few. Certainly their scouting system/development has had issues in the past few years.

Ballard will not be back next year - traded for a bag of pucks, or bought out.

If they trade Lu, and Scheider plays as well as the hype and previous play last year, they'll be fine. If Schneider poops the bed, then yes, they are (frank)ed.

I also do believe that most outsiders undervalue the Leaf farm. I'm a fan of both teams, spent a good chunk of my life in Van and am back in Toronto. If there is one thing I know about hockey fans is that they usually overvalue their own players and undervalue others.
- Canuckleafer

hard to say, even sundin wanted to play somewhere else for a chance at a cup once the writing was on the wall.

i've had this stance all along. once vancouver signed luongo to that contract, they essentially married him. the best move for the franchise would be to roll with that investment, and trade schneider. more interest, better return.. way better return.

jensen very well could suprise, but i think schroeder is heading for bustville.. and i'm not big on corrado either. there's about 10 other defenceman in the canadian system in his age bracket alone.

nobody's trading for ballard. a buyout is definitely possible.

gillis reminds me of JFJ. trading grabner, bernier, and a 1st for ballard.. is the equivalent of trading rask for raycroft. for the last few years the team has reminded me of the pre lockout leafs. going all in, and it not panning out. the way gillis has managed the cap and structured the future has me thinking that vancouver is headed for a similiar world to the leafs post lockout.

odds are that even if i'm right.. gillis' replacement won't (frank) things up even worse to the degree that the first few post lockout years in toronto we're handled. that side of the story is most likely exclusive to the leafs.

I bet the Sedins do re-sign in Vancouver. Can't see them leaving the city really.

As for the prospect system, agree 100%, although there are a few who could surprise. I think Jensen will surprise a few. Certainly their scouting system/development has had issues in the past few years.

Ballard will not be back next year - traded for a bag of pucks, or bought out.

If they trade Lu, and Scheider plays as well as the hype and previous play last year, they'll be fine. If Schneider poops the bed, then yes, they are (frank)ed.

I also do believe that most outsiders undervalue the Leaf farm. I'm a fan of both teams, spent a good chunk of my life in Van and am back in Toronto. If there is one thing I know about hockey fans is that they usually overvalue their own players and undervalue others.
- Canuckleafer

Wow, odd combination of cheering interest there.

I know how it is, Buffalo is my second fave team and I always like the Habs when I was a kid. I don't mind then now except the ole ole crap.

If I asked you to eat that satchel would you..... probably... just like the herd of leaf fans watching their losing team year after year and proclaiming how good there players are. I was at the last couple leaf games in van... and it was an embarrassing time to be a leaf fan. May as well have been playing an AHL team.
- SMP8719

14 years old. over/under.

20 on the under.

Holy fu(k man, you don't get it. You shouldn't even have to compare Leafs prospect vs canucks prospects. You guys have sucked for so long that you should be miles ahead of us in every category in regards to prospects, but you're not.

It's not my fault you had 2 5th overall picks since 2008. That's my point, you have jack sh!t for how crappy you have been.
- moondawg

Does it really matter how and why? I think the only point that matters is that they are. So when its pointed out, dont act all bent over it. Look at the Flyers, they dont seem to have the same problems you guys have. Or the Rangers. Both teams have a ton of good young players.

Teams can still draft well. Its a horrible excuse.

Is it possible that the other team is Boston? and the other player is Thomas and his caphit?...or the NYI and Dipietro?...or TB and Lecavalier?..
- JIMI-JAMES

Boston has Rask so no. Luongo won't go to the NYI. TB could be a possibility but they are high on LIndback after trading him. They are going to give up on him after 2 games? Very highly unlikely. I predicit it's Minnesota & the player is Backstrom. They signed Parise & Suter on the premise that they wanna win now so I can see them wanting Lu.

14 years old. over/under.

20 on the under.
- joel878

you must be over 45 or just like cheering a losing team.

Holy fu(k man, you don't get it. You shouldn't even have to compare Leafs prospect vs canucks prospects. You guys have sucked for so long that you should be miles ahead of us in every category in regards to prospects, but you're not.

It's not my fault you had 2 5th overall picks since 2008. That's my point, you have jack sh!t for how crappy you have been.
- moondawg

apparently you don't even realize the circles you just chased your tail in.

you went from arguing that vancouvers system was just as bright as toronto's.. to within 10 minutes trying to validate why toronto's should be better.

we are miles ahead of you in terms of prospects, and we have quite the opposite of jackpoop. open your homer eyes. i'm even engaging with vancouver fans who are suggesting as much.