So the stats dont matter, only who posts them matters? Get a life. Game over. Read my above post and tie the noose. Have a good night. Stay strong. Seek help.
- systemtool

Conjecture, arrogance, insults, yet no stats... I need numbers your common sense is worth nothing to me.. as my point which had numbers is pointless to you...

Conjecture, arrogance, insults, yet no stats... I need numbers your common sense is worth nothing to me.. as my point which had numbers is pointless to you...
- DoctorNHL

Seek help. Good night.

I dont get how you can hate something so passionately and yet follow it obsessively.
- systemtool

UG: A riddle...wrapped in a conundrum

Seek help. Good night.
- systemtool

Still winning.. do you hang out with Charlie Sheen... ? Numbers stats.. that is how you prove an argument anything else is an opinion... and yours is worthless.. prove me wrong it is your premise stop avoiding the work... stop being lazy.. you can probably google and find the answer.. I brought you stats.. lightning brought you stats.. it is your turn..

They came several times close prior to the lockout that cancelled a season. And they had guys that gave Toronto a reason to believe they could pull it off. They didn't always get the right supporting cast but it's far ahead of the crap they try to feed the fans today. It would be nice if they could learn from their previous mistakes and improve upon them. But it doesn't seem to be going that way.



- Two_For_Truth

Just because I am curious - Which team prior to the lockout came close and was more talented ("but it's far ahead of the crap they try to feed the fans today then this current team") then the current team? Give me a year, I want to check out the roster.

Still winning.. do you hang out with Charlie Sheen... ? Numbers stats.. that is how you prove an argument anything else is an opinion... and yours is worthless.. prove me wrong it is your premise stop avoiding the work... stop being lazy.. you can probably google and find the answer.. I brought you stats.. lightning brought you stats.. it is your turn..
- DoctorNHL

Seek help. Good night.

UG: A riddle...wrapped in a conundrum
- Pen15

I am not UG I wrassled with him for years... and this is counter his argument.. actually Tool boy.. is the one saying trade the first liners for draft picks.. which smells of UG...

I apologized to Lightning.. because you were coping and pasting his stats.. repeatedly asking me to read them.. he got offended because he thought I was making fun of him.. read my posts back.. I only insulted those that insulted me first.. namely you.
- DoctorNHL

look. this is what you posted first.

Between 1990 and 1999, there were 2,600 names called at the NHL Entry Draft.

160 were selected in the first round.
Of those 160 career players, over 81 have played more than 500 NHL games.

The total means that only 3% of first rounders play 500 games.. over a decade...

The results also vary year to year... 12% of the players beyond the first round have 500+ games..
- DoctorNHL

lets break this down.

Between 1990 and 1999, there were 2,600 names called at the NHL Entry Draft.

- DoctorNHL

sure. sounds about right.

160 were selected in the first round...
- DoctorNHL

wrong. 252 players were selected in the first round.

Of those 160 career players, over 81 have played more than 500 NHL games.

- DoctorNHL

okay

The total means that only 3% of first rounders play 500 games.. over a decade...

- DoctorNHL

No. 80 players out of 252 players picked in the first round is about 30%.

The results also vary year to year... 12% of the players beyond the first round have 500+ games..
- DoctorNHL

not correct. see math above. it was roughly 13% (334 out of 2350) that played 200 games, so it would likely be much lower.


now, when I told you this was wrong, you started telling me stupid things like "no, those are facts", and stupid sarcastic things.

Seek help. Good night.
- systemtool

You are good at repetition.. but you think your word means something it doesn't lazy boy bring me the numbers to prove that trading a top line guy for draft picks is the smart way to do business...

now, when I told you this was wrong, you started telling me stupid things like "no, those are facts", and stupid sarcastic things.
- prock

I think he needs me to say it.

I seriously think hes on drugs or has some mental issues.

You are good at repetition.. but you think your word means something it doesn't lazy boy bring me the numbers to prove that trading a top line guy for draft picks is the smart way to do business...
- DoctorNHL

Seek help. Good night.

UG: A riddle...wrapped in a conundrum
- Pen15

Seems we have more than one here tonight.

Except in the other case, swap conundrum with condom wrapper.

look. this is what you posted first.




lets break this down.



sure. sounds about right.


wrong. 252 players were selected in the first round.



okay



No. 80 players out of 252 players picked in the first round is about 30%.



not correct. see math above. it was roughly 13% (334 out of 2350) that played 200 games, so it would likely be much lower.


now, when I told you this was wrong, you started telling me stupid things like "no, those are facts", and stupid sarcastic things.
- prock

I stopped listening to you a while ago.. 500+ games who are first liners... that was the argument trade a first liner for a first rounder... you might have missed this showing up late to the party.. you are more than welcome.. to get the numbers for Tool because he is incapable of doing it... the argument is the same.. none of those stats.. that were brought by me & others.. prove you will get a top line guy.. by trading a top line guy.. unless luck is involved...

I stopped listening to you a while ago.. 500+ games who are first liners... that was the argument trade a first liner for a first rounder... you might have missed this showing up late to the party.. you are more than welcome.. to get the numbers for Tool because he is incapable of doing it... the argument is the same.. none of those stats.. that were brought by me & others.. prove you will get a top line guy.. by trading a top line guy.. unless luck is involved...
- DoctorNHL

Why do you... keep talking... like this...? Learn proper punctuation.

I am not UG I wrassled with him for years... and this is counter his argument.. actually Tool boy.. is the one saying trade the first liners for draft picks.. which smells of UG...
- DoctorNHL

UG's the other guy... with the very subtle avatar of a goulish...one might even say Unholy... Goalie mask.

Why do you... keep talking... like this...? Learn proper punctuation.
- Conquest

Why do you... keep talking... like this...? Learn proper punctuation.
- Conquest

Just because I am curious - Which team prior to the lockout came close and was more talented ("but it's far ahead of the crap they try to feed the fans today then this current team") then the current team? Give me a year, I want to check out the roster.
- Cooshie

Any year that included gary roberts, alex mogilny, and darcy tucker.

I stopped listening to you a while ago.. 500+ games who are first liners... that was the argument trade a first liner for a first rounder... you might have missed this showing up late to the party.. you are more than welcome.. to get the numbers for Tool because he is incapable of doing it... the argument is the same.. none of those stats.. that were brought by me & others.. prove you will get a top line guy.. by trading a top line guy.. unless luck is involved...
- DoctorNHL

I don't care what you're trying to prove. I was just letting you know your numbers were way off. They made no sense.

Just because I am curious - Which team prior to the lockout came close and was more talented ("but it's far ahead of the crap they try to feed the fans today then this current team") then the current team? Give me a year, I want to check out the roster.
- Cooshie

Want to see a sick roster? check out 2003-2004.

I don't care what you're trying to prove. I was just letting you know your numbers were way off. They made no sense.
- prock

3 to 30% seems like a rounding error.

Just my guess...

Just because I am curious - Which team prior to the lockout came close and was more talented ("but it's far ahead of the crap they try to feed the fans today then this current team") then the current team? Give me a year, I want to check out the roster.
- Cooshie

Comparing rosters isn't going to get you anywhere. Even if you could somehow prove that the Leafs have more talent now than they did in 1999, it's a broken argument. Relative to the teams today, the Leafs don't have anywhere near the amount of required talent, to compete for a Cup.

3 to 30% seems like a rounding error.

Just my guess...
- Pen15

look. this is what you posted first.




lets break this down.



sure. sounds about right.


wrong. 252 players were selected in the first round.



okay



No. 80 players out of 252 players picked in the first round is about 30%.



not correct. see math above. it was roughly 13% (334 out of 2350) that played 200 games, so it would likely be much lower.


now, when I told you this was wrong, you started telling me stupid things like "no, those are facts", and stupid sarcastic things.
- prock

Proct I see where you are getting your numbers.. but I was getting it from the whole draft.. 2600 players.. that was my comparison.. and not 200 games.. 500+ games.. and my challenge to the Tool was to name me which of those were top liners because that was his initial argument trade Lupul for a 1st rounder.. I was showing the effectiveness of the draft.. although the numbers were dated.. still not many first liners.. in the draft.. as there is 30 teams x 3 players currently.. how many of those were first rounders... was what I was saying.. we were arguing apples to oranges..

The tools argument still stands... it is better to trade a top line guy for a first rounder.. I say no...

UG's the other guy... with the very subtle avatar of a goulish...one might even say Unholy... Goalie mask.







- Big_Lightnin

Didn't know that but.. avoided those posts anyways... thanks for the tip...