go around the league for comparables with his point totals. No, it isn't overpayment. It's $1M more than he was making, and he just had a career year. If he want UFA in the summer (after presumably getting 40 pts or more this shortened season?) he gets $6M easy.
- Big_Lightnin

I agree Lupul is a good buy.. and he was aready successful in Carlyle's system.. so unlike others he won't have any issues adapting..

He didn't have the greatest game yesterday but that is true for most NHLers.. who were locked out & didn't play.. Lupul will come back..

wait, you mean Edmonton isn't the best team in the League, 4 years running
- Feeling Glucky?

So you pick the Leafs future over the Oilers future?

Good job.

Scrivens has excelled in every league, let him run with it for 7 or 8 games. then decide. but Nonis isn't giving up anything substantial for that Luongo contract
- bobbyisno1

Then dont bring up owners and their demands for playoff revenue. I didnt mention it, you did.

So you pick the Leafs future over the Oilers future?

Good job.
- Two_For_Truth

Wow, that's like a verbatim quote.

Good job.

You aren't going to get a pick thats going to be 1st overall or 2nd overall for Lupul
- twiztedmike

Never said they would. Tons of elite NHLers werent drafted 1st or 2nd overall. Do you really need examples?

The point is that they were drafted, and they were drafted using 1st round picks.

You aren't going to get a pick thats going to be 1st overall or 2nd overall for Lupul
- twiztedmike

Not to mention with the expanded pool Leafs never had any luck picking 1st or second.. in the draft.. although Boston seemed to have better luck with our picks.. going forward it is only going to get dicier under the new system.. with more non-playoff teams having the chance at grabbing the top picks..

Wow, that's like a verbatim quote.

Good job.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hes right though. The Oilers just drafted those guys. You all but used the Oilers as an example of why drafting doesnt work when everyone that knows anything about hockey understand what those picks will one day lead to. Give them time. We'll still be a joke while they contend down the road.

Then dont bring up owners and their demands for playoff revenue. I didnt mention it, you did.
- systemtool

and the Leafs should acquire some with guys they don't want to keep, if they can.


However, most 1sts are busts. So if you think a guy can continue to produce for a while, you should keep him over a 1st.

Wow, that's like a verbatim quote.

Good job.
- Feeling Glucky?

Oh so you pick the Oilers future over the Leafs future and go back on what you just said.

Good job.

Never said they would. Tons of elite NHLers werent drafted 1st or 2nd overall. Do you really need examples?

The point is that they were drafted, and they were drafted using 1st round picks.
- systemtool

Zetterburg & Datsyuk weren't first round picks.. a good scouting staff can find gems anywhere.. you just have to be able to develop them properly and integrate them into your team.. the Crosby's & Malkins don't come every year..

How many points did you have? lewl
- weirdoh

Hey (frank) you man! We're all tied for NHL points right now

I hear you....health really is the only concern on this signing but I think it was a risk worth taking. Lupul is highly talented and would have gotten more on the open market. Compared to so many suspect salaries out there within 500K of this Lupul's 5.2mill, I am pretty happy with it.
- Cooshie

I dont give a turd about open markets. I only care about our team. If someone wants to over pay him, let them. No skin off my nuts.

I also dont care about other salaries and how it compares. I care about this team and the direction its taking. They should have only kept Lupul if the playoffs were possible this year. Dont sign him until you know that. If the playoffs are not likely, trade him for future pieces.

A fragile team like the Leafs shouldnt be commiting 5 years to a guy who hasnt been healthy for his past 5 seasons and is only going to be older.

Hes right though. The Oilers just drafted those guys. You all but used the Oilers as an example of why drafting doesnt work when everyone that knows anything about hockey understand what those picks will one day lead to. Give them time. We'll still be a joke while they contend down the road.
- systemtool

Under the new cap system they better develop quickly because the window for keeping them all is closing rapidly.. a shortened season will not help the Oilers also.. but I do like their talent.. still missing a few pieces... tho..

and the Leafs should acquire some with guys they don't want to keep, if they can.
- Feeling Glucky?

Yeah, everybody is looking to hand over great picks for the Leafs garbage...

However, most 1sts are busts. So if you think a guy can continue to produce for a while, you should keep him over a 1st.

Outstanding.

So don't trade Lupul for a mid or late 1st round pick so you have a shot at Max Domi (or a number of any other good prospects) because most 1sts are busts.

Nothing like a 30 year old to keep producing when what he produces doesn't do anything except drive us further away from a 1st overall pick.

Zetterburg & Datsyuk weren't first round picks.. a good scouting staff can find gems anywhere.. you just have to be able to develop them properly and integrate them into your team.. the Crosby's & Malkins don't come every year..
- DoctorNHL

Jesus really? This again? Like 2 of the 7 late round picks in the league to make something significant of themselves.

You're elite forwards come from the top 5 in the draft like 80% of the time.

Hes right though. The Oilers just drafted those guys. You all but used the Oilers as an example of why drafting doesnt work when everyone that knows anything about hockey understand what those picks will one day lead to. Give them time. We'll still be a joke while they contend down the road.
- systemtool

If the Leafs had just one of Hall, Yakupov, Eberle or RNH, he'd be beside himself with glee and excitement. But since the Leafs don't have them, it's stupid to even consider trying to replicate it.

Zetterburg & Datsyuk weren't first round picks.. a good scouting staff can find gems anywhere.. you just have to be able to develop them properly and integrate them into your team.. the Crosby's & Malkins don't come every year..
- DoctorNHL

Zetts and Dats are the exceptions to the rule.

Horrible comparison.

The Giroux, Richards, Perry, Getzlaf, Kane, Karlsson, Brown etc etc etc do come every year.

Hes right though. The Oilers just drafted those guys. You all but used the Oilers as an example of why drafting doesnt work when everyone that knows anything about hockey understand what those picks will one day lead to. Give them time. We'll still be a joke while they contend down the road.
- systemtool

I didn't, but there's a nice long list of teams that you could use to make that argument.

And, really, Edmonton's been drafting high since 2007. That's a long time to see no results.

Jesus really? This again? Like 2 of the 7 late round picks in the league to make something significant of themselves.

You're elite forwards come from the top 5 in the draft like 80% of the time.
- DTF69

80% of all first rounders are a bust... especially if you have a bad development system.. & management... Leafs are improving in that regard with Carlyle who mixes the young with the old.. but the answer going forward is still to have a mixture of top to bottom players in price range.. and you have to swap them out every few years to maintain the team in a strong competing fashion..

If the Leafs had just one of Hall, Yakupov, Eberle or RNH, he'd be beside himself with glee and excitement. But since the Leafs don't have them, it's stupid to even consider trying to replicate it.
- Two_For_Truth

I agree.

I hear about the untouchability of the Gardiners and Kadris, butt guys like the ones you mentioned are busts until proven otherwise.

God forbid I disagree that Lupul, who is one of my current favourites on the team, was signed to a bad contract at a bad time.

Zetts and Dats are the exceptions to the rule.

Horrible comparison.

The Giroux, Richards, Perry, Getzlaf, Kane, Karlsson, Brown etc etc etc do come every year.
- systemtool

Lupul was a 10th overall and he was PPG last year. We got him through shrewd trading and smart asset management and smart cap management.

I didn't, but there's a nice long list of teams that you could use to make that argument.

And, really, Edmonton's been drafting high since 2007. That's a long time to see no results.
- Feeling Glucky?

They were missing picks for a while there after the Penner sheet and either the Pronger and Roloson deals. Gagner, Eberle, Paajarvi, Hall, Hopkins, Yakupov is pretty nice in the last 6 years.

I didn't, but there's a nice long list of teams that you could use to make that argument.

And, really, Edmonton's been drafting high since 2007. That's a long time to see no results.
- Feeling Glucky?

And the Leafs have been drafting where since 2007?

What kind of results do they have?

What kind of results do you expect to see between now and 2018?

And where do you expect to see the Oilers in 2018?

I agree.

I hear about the untouchability of the Gardiners and Kadris, butt guys like the ones you mentioned are busts until proven otherwise.

God forbid I disagree that Lupul, who is one of my current favourites on the team, was signed to a bad contract at a bad time.
- systemtool

You can't ice a young team without some good veteran mentors. Else they will be learning from the likes of Komisarek and Connolly

Zetts and Dats are the exceptions to the rule.

Horrible comparison.

The Giroux, Richards, Perry, Getzlaf, Kane, Karlsson, Brown etc etc etc do come every year.
- systemtool

They do because I will tell you last years draft won't produce many of that 30.. you are cherry picking the names out of the last few drafts.. you go check the other 25 that failed from those years..