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77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 20 @ 3:59 PM ET
They didn't look good at all, but the refs clearly decided this game.
- LJF


It's very rare that I point at the officiating and say that had a huge hand in the outcome, but their fingerprints were all over this loss.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 20 @ 3:59 PM ET
My only issue that I have with the defense is that they lack offensive support from the defense. They don't have that element of a defenseman coming late or moving up on the rush. It's hard to score a lot of goals with just a forward attack. That is going to be the biggest area where they're going to miss Carle. But we have to give time to both Meszaros and Coburn to get their legs under them.
- MJL


I'd like to see them give Gustaffson a try once he's healthy. A little extra speed and mobility couldn't hurt
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:01 PM ET
I'd like to see them give Gustaffson a try once he's healthy. A little extra speed and mobility couldn't hurt
- FreshFlyer


It will be interesting to see what happens there. They have some Cap issues to work out. Not that I think Foster is bad. But I'd rather have Gustafsson in there, for what I've seen of Foster so far.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
Wow two games and Lavy's head is wanted on the platter
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
Wow two games and Lavy's head is wanted on the platter
- JoeRussomanno


It's the system Joe!
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
My only issue that I have with the defense is that they lack offensive support from the defense. They don't have that element of a defenseman coming late or moving up on the rush. It's hard to score a lot of goals with just a forward attack. That is going to be the biggest area where they're going to miss Carle. But we have to give time to both Meszaros and Coburn to get their legs under them.
- MJL


Yep.

77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
Question.

Do the Flyers make the JVR for Schenn trade if Schenn was a left handed shot?
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
It will be interesting to see what happens there. They have some Cap issues to work out. Not that I think Foster is bad. But I'd rather have Gustafsson in there, for what I've seen of Foster so far.
- MJL


Foster can give you a pretty decent shot from the point but with that being said Gustaffson can give you a lot more in terms of carrying the puck up the ice and mobility in your own zone. I'd probably rather have Gusty in there as well
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:07 PM ET
Question.

Do the Flyers make the JVR for Schenn trade if Schenn was a left handed shot?

- 77rams


I wouldn't have made the trade either way
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 20 @ 4:08 PM ET
Question.

Do the Flyers make the JVR for Schenn trade if Schenn was a left handed shot?

- 77rams


Good question. Not sure that they do. Schenn has to be given time to get acclimated, but I haven't been impressed so far. Looks like he's skating in mud.
LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

Jan 20 @ 4:08 PM ET
C'mon, the refs didn't decide the game. The players did.
- MJL


How can you say that when they pulled back two clear goals

Also the special teams aren't so special
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Wow two games and Lavy's head is wanted on the platter
- JoeRussomanno


It's way too soon for that I agree. I do understand it though. Slow start to first two games of the season (commonly blamed on lack of preparation by coach), GM and owner questioning his system, poor line changes and too many men on the ice penalty that lead to the game winner. Way, way, too soon but I understand why.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 20 @ 4:10 PM ET
Foster can give you a pretty decent shot from the point but with that being said Gustaffson can give you a lot more in terms of carrying the puck up the ice and mobility in your own zone. I'd probably rather have Gusty in there as well
- FreshFlyer


Gustaffson has a high ankle sprain, even if he returns somewhat soon, that can be an injury that lingers all year, and certainly effect his mobility.

That being said, the Flyers need some speed on the backend, they have too many guys who are redundant.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
Good question. Not sure that they do. Schenn has to be given time to get acclimated, but I haven't been impressed so far. Looks like he's skating in mud.
- PLindbergh31


I've seen some things that I like from Schenn. He doesn't look like he's skating in mud to me. In fact I think his skating is better then I was led to believe from listening to a lot of fans. I think a lot of people are just parroting what they've heard. He skates well enough to play in the NHL.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
Gustaffson has a high ankle sprain, even if he returns somewhat soon, that can be an injury that lingers all year, and certainly effect his mobility.

That being said, the Flyers need some speed on the backend, they have too many guys who are redundant.

- PLindbergh31


If he's healthy I say you might as well give him a try, his mobility can't get much worse than the guys that are out there right now.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
If he's healthy I say you might as well give him a try, his mobility can't get much worse than the guys that are out there right now.
- FreshFlyer


I would agree. If he shows he is healthy I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a chance.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
Definitely would be a nice change, I just think the Flyers don't have enough fire power to run such an offensive minded system.
- FreshFlyer

nope to play a system he wants we need quick players and snipers

lavi either learns how to play with the players or takes a hike
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
How can you say that when they pulled back two clear goals

Also the special teams aren't so special

- LJF


They didn't pull back two clear goals. The first one was a bad call and should've been a goal. The same thing happens every NHL Season. You get some breaks and some breaks go against you. You get some calls and some go against you. They tend to even out over a Season. The last one the ref lost sight of the puck and blew it dead. Happens all the time. The Flyers lost the game because they gave up 3 PP goals.
Dudestar
Location: NY
Joined: 09.09.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
Haha Buffalo beat you guys haha

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
Question.

Do the Flyers make the JVR for Schenn trade if Schenn was a left handed shot?

- 77rams


Yes, I believe they would have.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:15 PM ET
I've seen some things that I like from Schenn. He doesn't look like he's skating in mud to me. In fact I think his skating is better then I was led to believe from listening to a lot of fans. I think a lot of people are just parroting what they've heard. He skates well enough to play in the NHL.
- MJL

i guess jody shelley skated well enough for the NHL also
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:15 PM ET
It's way too soon for that I agree. I do understand it though. Slow start to first two games of the season (commonly blamed on lack of preparation by coach), GM and owner questioning his system, poor line changes and too many men on the ice penalty that lead to the game winner. Way, way, too soon but I understand why.
- coffee junkie


I find it interesting that many are referencing the Flyers system, but I haven't read anyone mention the changes to the system that the Flyers have played with for the first few games.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
I've seen some things that I like from Schenn. He doesn't look like he's skating in mud to me. In fact I think his skating is better then I was led to believe from listening to a lot of fans. I think a lot of people are just parroting what they've heard. He skates well enough to play in the NHL.
- MJL




Schenn made a couple mistakes... overall I think he played well though. His outlet passes were strong and I thought he was frequently in the right spot. He deflected a few passes with his stick on the ice and cleared the puck well today. What I would like to see is more of those 270 hits he had last season.... haven't seen that in the last 2 games. Still - I prefer Schenn over JVR... maybe I'll end up eating those words, maybe not.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
Schenn made a couple mistakes... overall I think he played well though. His outlet passes were strong and I thought he was frequently in the right spot. He deflected a few passes with his stick on the ice and cleared the puck well today. What I would like to see is more of those 270 hits he had last season.... haven't seen that in the last 2 games. Still - I prefer Schenn over JVR... maybe I'll end up eating those words, maybe not.
- moylander


I think he is adjusting his game. Make the hit when it's there, but don't take yourself out of position to do so.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 20 @ 4:19 PM ET
Yes, I believe they would have.
- MJL


We're looking for a scapegoat to take Carle's place. You're not making this any easier.



I'd say straight up, one for one, no.
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