We have different opinions of JS. I don't think he is NHL material . It's a big mans game or a very gifted small man .He is neither IMO.
- VANTEL

Disagree. He has great speed and puck skills. He would've been close to a point/game player or over in a more offensive system. His size might be an issue, but at least give the kid a few games to try to overcome it.

When the team is lacking offence, they should be giving their offensively gifted prospects a shot, unless they completely poop the bed in camp, which JS didn't.

I would like to see JS get a shot on the big club because I just don't know how he will do.
He plays well in the AHL so one has to use that as a gauge for NHL readiness. If someone else has another method (corsi?) to evaluate rookie players (not coming out jrs or college) then please let me know about it.

Again, a fan of a franchise that handles their rookies so poorly comes into our thread saying that JS sucks.
- bloatedmosquito

Prockstar

Two things:

1. We all know how AV is with young players.

2. Maybe Schroeder is simply not good enough.

One is fact, the other speculation.
- rdfred

Absolutely. To be honest, I have agreed with AV and Arneil that Ebbett has been the better all round player over Schroeder on the Wolves but barely. I don't see it Ebbett or Schroeder though. Not at all...

Maybe Schroeder isnt good enough... but this is based on the single scrimmage on the top six in which he was a hell of a lot better than Vandermeer... when does a prospect get a shot under AV? If not in a season opener with the biggest hole in the middle I can remember in the last 10 years then when? The only reason we are speculating that Schroeder may not be good enough is that his best opportunity was robbed from him. It's easier for AV to say players are not ready if the fans don't ever see it for themselves...

I would like to see JS get a shot on the big club because I just don't know how he will do.
He plays well in the AHL so one has to use that as a gauge for NHL readiness. If someone else has another method (corsi?) to evaluate rookie players (not coming out jrs or college) then please let me know about it.

Again, a fan of a franchise that handles their rookies so poorly comes into our thread saying that JS sucks.
- bloatedmosquito

I haven't found anywhere that posts consistent AHL advanced stats, and I've looked around a lot.

I was thinking of tracking the Corsi for the Canucks best prospects on the Wolves on my own, but the feeds/sound were poop and I sometimes couldn't even find one.

We have different opinions of JS. I don't think he is NHL material . It's a big mans game or a very gifted small man .He is neither IMO.
- VANTEL

We'll never know unless he gets a shot to prove us wrong/right. Because of his size I have no problem with him gettin big minutes in AHL but at some point he needs to be assessed at the NHL level.

Or just trade him.

Gaunce is a 2 way player, guys like this seem to it better with AV. Hansen?, Kesler?, Burrows?, Edler? If you are sound defensively AV I'll take a look. I think Gaunce has a good chance.
- Bieksa#3

All those players played under AV on the Moose. Poor examples since he already built their habbits and had confidence in them once AV was a Canuck...

All those players played under AV on the Moose. Poor examples since he already built their habbits and had confidence in them once AV was a Canuck...
- boonerbuck

Not Hansn

Only 2 prospects out of that first round havent played a NHL game. Schroeder and someone I never heard of...
- boonerbuck

Kris Kreider is the NYR rookie who was awesome in the playoffs for them, he's going to be a stud in the NHL.

We'll never know unless he gets a shot to prove us wrong/right. Because of his size I have no problem with him gettin big minutes in AHL but at some point he needs to be assessed at the NHL level.

Or just trade him.
- bloatedmosquito

Good post

Kris Kreider is the NYR rookie who was awesome in the playoffs for them, he's going to be a stud in the NHL.
- 1970vintage

The funny thing is, everybody hypes Kreider, but look at his AHL numbers this season—they're way under Kassian and Schroeder's, yet many still consider him an absolute stud prospect.

I am a fan of Kreider, though. Have him as one of my breakout players in one of my pools.

Still interesting how some players are considered better prospects than others despite not performing near as well.

Hey boonerbuck if you have never heard of the so called other player on the list of first round picks that haven't played yet the you know zero about hockey outside the Canucks !!! Try looking up Chris Kreider

Hey boonerbuck if you have never heard of the so called other player on the list of first round picks that haven't played yet the you know zero about hockey outside the Canucks !!! Try looking up Chris Kreider
- way out west

Relax there jackass. Its not like he is a household name

Sometimes it sure feels that way. Example: his comment about Gomez. It sounded like he (AV) had decided it already and Gillis need not be included in the decision. Not advocating Gomez, just an example.
- rdfred

Exactly! I commented on that immediately. Also, "we've had our eye on Barker for a while now. He is a good skater and has a great first pass. He's going to help our trasitional game bla bla bla".

Av pumps Barker while the players are the ones who approach Gillis about bringing in Vandermeer(got to go around av for protection)... Barker just clogs the toilet from here on in. Great scouting AV.

We'll never know unless he gets a shot to prove us wrong/right. Because of his size I have no problem with him gettin big minutes in AHL but at some point he needs to be assessed at the NHL level.

Or just trade him.
- bloatedmosquito

I hear ya.

The funny thing is, everybody hypes Kreider, but look at his AHL numbers this season—they're way under Kassian and Schroeder's, yet many still consider him an absolute stud prospect.

I am a fan of Kreider, though. Have him as one of my breakout players in one of my pools.

Still interesting how some players are considered better prospects than others despite not performing near as well.
- Fosco

I don't really follow AHL or CHL, I just remember how dominant he was during the playoffs, which was really impressive. I don't remember Kassian during the playoffs, did he even get in a game? Schroeder... hasn't had a chance yet.

Booner keeps harping on the Schroeder OR Vandermeer, but I don't think it was ever a choice between the two. If Schroeder was here he'd be sitting in the press box because AV wanted Ebbett, how does that help our offence?

Hey boonerbuck if you have never heard of the so called other player on the list of first round picks that haven't played yet the you know zero about hockey outside the Canucks !!! Try looking up Chris Kreider
- way out west

Don't be an ass. Anybody who's seen enough of his posts is well aware that Booner knows his poop.

If you have a point, try to bring it up in a civil manner.

Don't be an ass. Anybody who's seen enough of his posts is well aware that Booner knows his poop.

If you have a point, try to bring it up in a civil manner.
- Fosco

Yup agreed

Yup agreed
- VANTEL

Just don't feed the trolls.

I don't really follow AHL or CHL, I just remember how dominant he was during the playoffs, which was really impressive. I don't remember Kassian during the playoffs, did he even get in a game? Schroeder... hasn't had a chance yet.

Booner keeps harping on the Schroeder OR Vandermeer, but I don't think it was ever a choice between the two. If Schroeder was here he'd be sitting in the press box because AV wanted Ebbett, how does that help our offence?
- 1970vintage

I agree, but it is a choice between carrying 9 D, and carrying a prospect who could potentially help the anemic offence after the first line.

Yeah, Kreider did have a great playoffs, and I think he's going to be an excellent NHLer, but I was just using his AHL numbers this season to point out that everybody (mostly fans of other teams) thinks he's such a great prospect, and then they dump on Kassian and Schroeder's AHL numbers, yet they are considerably better than Kreider's.

I haven't found anywhere that posts consistent AHL advanced stats, and I've looked around a lot.

I was thinking of tracking the Corsi for the Canucks best prospects on the Wolves on my own, but the feeds/sound were poop and I sometimes couldn't even find one.
- Fosco

That's really strange that someone isn't following advance stats of players in the AHL. I'm not a huge fan of advanced stats but a development league seems like a perfect situation for adv stats.

You might be onto something Fosco. Statsbuzz!

I agree, but it is a choice between carrying 9 D, and carrying a prospect who could potentially help the anemic offence after the first line.

Yeah, Kreider did have a great playoffs, and I think he's going to be an excellent NHLer, but I was just using his AHL numbers this season to point out that everybody (mostly fans of other teams) thinks he's such a great prospect, and then they dump on Kassian and Schroeder's AHL numbers, yet they are considerably better than Kreider's.
- Fosco

Most fans don't know Sh!t about how a prospect develops into a solid NHL'er, myself included .

Re Schroeder, I still don't see how carrying him as an extra forward helps our offence if he doesn't get in the lineup. He's not going to replace anyone in the bottom 6, and if AV would rather go with Ebbett than Schroeder he's better off playing games in the AHL so that if we have an injury and need to call him up he hasn't been sitting around.

Hey boonerbuck if you have never heard of the so called other player on the list of first round picks that haven't played yet the you know zero about hockey outside the Canucks !!! Try looking up Chris Kreider
- way out west

Krieder I've definitly heard of. Hearing he was the player I did not. Names are something I struggle with. People have to tell me their name over and over but the surprising thing is that I have a steel trap memory for details that don't involve names and phone numbers...lol.

I spell the most common names wrong. It's not hockey related thats for sure...

That's really strange that someone isn't following advance stats of players in the AHL. I'm not a huge fan of advanced stats but a development league seems like a perfect situation for adv stats.

You might be onto something Fosco. Statsbuzz!
- bloatedmosquito

I think it has to do with finding quality feeds/video. I think there's some AHL teams that don't even televise all their games. Even AHL Live is poor quality at times.

I'm starting to warm up to advanced stats. They're not the be-all-end-all of evaluative stats, but in the right context, or supplementary to g/a/ppg/shg/etc. they can be very helpful.

There's not really anything available for CHL players either. I agree, though, the developmental/jr leagues are the perfect place to start tracking them to see how it translates to the NHL.

Krieder I've definitly heard of. Hearing he was the player I did not. Names are something I struggle with. People have to tell me their name over and over but the surprising thing is that I have a steel trap memory for details that don't involve names and phone numbers...lol.

I spell the most common names wrong. It's not hockey related thats for sure...
- boonerbuck

You could probably recount the last hundred stupid posts by most of us

Only 2 prospects out of that first round havent played a NHL game. Schroeder and someone I never heard of...

Is it Schroeder or AV?

The only two forward prospects that obsolutely couldnt be denied a roster spot in the past faced a coach who couldnt get them off the roster quick enough putting Gillis in a position to trade down... they combined for 53 goals and 30 assists in their rookie seasons with one being a Calder runner up and the other in the Calder conversation until he got traded. These are two prospects that this coach couldnt work with, had trouble finding roles for and personalities he didnt like.... WTF?

Why does Gillis continue to struggle building a team with this bumhole? Even a less skilled coach could do better for the Canucks IMO because you would be able to at least build a team with common sense, develope prospects and make better trades.

Gaunce is a centre. All evidence points towards AV having the most insecurity issues with a lack of inexperience in this position. Historicly, he has resisted the patience of developing centres not named Kesler. But he developed Kesler in the AHL already giving him confidence in the player. It's not the same at all and I think Gaunce faces the same problems as Schroeder and CoHo under Mr Gant.

Deep teams are adding prospects to their line ups and they dont have the hole in any one position like we do down the middle. How does AV's excuses fit in the same 48 game season everyone else is facing? That about sums it up right there...it comes to one mans insecurities... not the situation at hand. Adding two d men before camp and cutting an offensive centre with a gaping hole in the middle stinks of AV getting what he wants over what the team needs.
- boonerbuck

You're starting to convince me Booner. Like a good agent (which he used to be) Gillis continues to shine in contract negotiations. After that it seems to be AV's team for the most part.