Two things:

1. We all know how AV is with young players.

2. Maybe Schroeder is simply not good enough.

One is fact, the other speculation.
- rdfred

He played pretty good in the scrimmages, and has been one of the Wolves best players.

He was definitely good enough to start with the big club for a few games, and warrant a roster spot over one of the 7 through 9 defensemen.

I'm a big fan of Lappy. Guy is looking huge this season.

I like Gaunce, but I'm not getting my hopes up he'll be ready next season.

Even if he is, he'll probably get screwed over...
- Fosco

Gaunce is a 2 way player, guys like this seem to it better with AV. Hansen?, Kesler?, Burrows?, Edler? If you are sound defensively AV I'll take a look. I think Gaunce has a good chance.

I'm a big fan of Lappy. Guy is looking huge this season.

I like Gaunce, but I'm not getting my hopes up he'll be ready next season.

Even if he is, he'll probably get screwed over...
- Fosco

I know we sent back JS but I honestly think if AV doesn't play young guys then he is done in Vancouver.Our core is locked up and we don't have a lot of room in cap .We will be filling roster spots with prospects .

I see why with the short training camp AV had very little time to assess or work with his team properly. We will see.

Another question is what if Kes is ready in 2 weeks .Schroeder gets out of sync with the Wolves. We will have some movement in the next month or two.

Wouldn't be too surprised.

I'm more of a proponent of Gillis than a hater, but I'm starting to think Booner is on to something about AV having a bit too much say in the GM tasks...
- Fosco

Sometimes it sure feels that way. Example: his comment about Gomez. It sounded like he (AV) had decided it already and Gillis need not be included in the decision. Not advocating Gomez, just an example.

He played pretty good in the scrimmages, and has been one of the Wolves best players.

He was definitely good enough to start with the big club for a few games, and warrant a roster spot over one of the 7 through 9 defensemen.
- Fosco

The big word was scrimage. Others were playing 3/4 speed. Could JS fight with Perry tonight when things get rough? Vandi can.

Gaunce is a 2 way player, guys like this seem to it better with AV. Hansen?, Kesler?, Burrows?, Edler? If you are sound defensively AV I'll take a look. I think Gaunce has a good chance.
- Bieksa#3

It's possible, but like I said, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Schroeder is pretty sound defensively—was even one of the Wolves best PKers under MacT.

Gaunce does have other attributes like size and physical play that might put him in AV's good books, though.

How do you evaluate talent of rookie players? Do you have some magic formula?

Sometimes sending a player back to the AHL is a good thing. It's called player development.

Do you want Gillis to send Nonis the Handbook?
- bloatedmosquito

Somebody needs to post a J Blacker pic. He is thepinacle of what a prospect should be.

The big word was scrimage. Others were playing 3/4 speed.
- VANTEL

Doesn't matter. He earned it. It's like the Corrado situation at the WJC camp.

No reason to carry 9 D when you have a lack of offensive forwards. He deserved a few games.

edit; why does JS need to fight with Perry. It's totally irrelevant.

Does anyone else laugh a bit when you think back to when Vancouver drafted Schroeder and Gagner (I think) said, "He's a steal at this spot. He is going to be in the NHL a lot faster than most of the players taken before hime."

Games played
John Tavares 243
Victor Hedman 214
Matt Duchene 219
Evander Kane 213
Brayden Schenn 63
Oliver Ekman-Larsson 130
Nazem Kadri 51
Scott Glennie 1
Jared Cowen 83
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson 121
Ryan Ellis 32
Calvin de Haan 1
Zack Kassian 44
Dmitri Kulikov 198
Peter Holland 4
Nick Leddy 128
David Rundblad 30
Louis Leblanc 42
Chris Kreider 0
Jacob Josefson 69
John Moore 69


a few after him

Marcus Johansson 149
Ryan O'Reilly 236
Kyle Clifford 157
- IanEsplen

Only 2 prospects out of that first round havent played a NHL game. Schroeder and someone I never heard of...

Is it Schroeder or AV?

The only two forward prospects that obsolutely couldnt be denied a roster spot in the past faced a coach who couldnt get them off the roster quick enough putting Gillis in a position to trade down... they combined for 53 goals and 30 assists in their rookie seasons with one being a Calder runner up and the other in the Calder conversation until he got traded. These are two prospects that this coach couldnt work with, had trouble finding roles for and personalities he didnt like.... WTF?

Why does Gillis continue to struggle building a team with this bumhole? Even a less skilled coach could do better for the Canucks IMO because you would be able to at least build a team with common sense, develope prospects and make better trades.

Gaunce is a centre. All evidence points towards AV having the most insecurity issues with a lack of inexperience in this position. Historicly, he has resisted the patience of developing centres not named Kesler. But he developed Kesler in the AHL already giving him confidence in the player. It's not the same at all and I think Gaunce faces the same problems as Schroeder and CoHo under Mr Gant.

Deep teams are adding prospects to their line ups and they dont have the hole in any one position like we do down the middle. How does AV's excuses fit in the same 48 game season everyone else is facing? That about sums it up right there...it comes to one mans insecurities... not the situation at hand. Adding two d men before camp and cutting an offensive centre with a gaping hole in the middle stinks of AV getting what he wants over what the team needs.

Doesn't matter. He earned it. It's like the Corrado situation at the WJC camp.

No reason to carry 9 D when you have a lack of offensive forwards. He deserved a few games.

edit; why does JS need to fight with Perry. It's totally irrelevant.
- Fosco

This is a reversal of roles for me and you

Lets see a couple of games and then we can decide. JS may be called up .

It's possible, but like I said, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Schroeder is pretty sound defensively—was even one of the Wolves best PKers under MacT.

Gaunce does have other attributes like size and physical play that might put him in AV's good books, though.
- Fosco

Schroader was benched a few times this season as well as right out of he line up. He clearly has some issues that need to be addressed. I too believe deserved a look but, its not like his play in the ahl has been jaw dropping

Doesn't matter. He earned it. It's like the Corrado situation at the WJC camp.

No reason to carry 9 D when you have a lack of offensive forwards. He deserved a few games.

edit; why does JS need to fight with Perry. It's totally irrelevant.
- Fosco

Perry likes to fight .Who is going to stand up to him?

Booner has a point, but any gm who doesn't rely heavily on his hc opinion is done. The coach ist guy implementing te system and deciding who is going out when and who plays together. Coach has to have the players he wants make the team
- Bieksa#3

It's ridiculas on this team tho...no one denies what you are saying.

Schroader was benched a few times this season as well as right out of he line up. He clearly has some issues that need to be addressed. I too believe deserved a look but, its not like his play in the ahl has been jaw dropping
- Bieksa#3

This

This is a reversal of roles for me and you

Lets see a couple of games and then we can decide. JS may be called up .
- VANTEL

I'm not overly invested in the situation. I just think it sends the right message to the young guys when you reward them for battling hard for a spot, which JS did.

I just don't understand the 9 D, when it's offensive forwards this team lacks.

Schroader was benched a few times this season as well as right out of he line up. He clearly has some issues that need to be addressed. I too believe deserved a look but, its not like his play in the ahl has been jaw dropping
- Bieksa#3

Totally 100% undeserved. (frank)ing Arniel

RIP. That must have been an awesome show.

Didn't go to Big Time Out last year, but the year before, when they had it at that farm, was a bit of a let down. It needs to be at the Village Park.

The year Sam Roberts and Mother Mother played was awesome—one of the best concert experiences I've had.

Love the Vancouver Island Music Fest. I haven't gone the last few years, but before that I went for like 10 years in a row. Free VIP pass and backstage access the drink and bathroom lineups are much smaller there.

Heard the Sheepdogs were pretty solid this past year. Never even knew they were going to be there, or else I would've made it back
- Fosco

We've most likely shared a pint together at Music Fest. I had the same privileges.

The Broken Social Scene year was fantastic for Big Time Out!! The farm year was a cluster f*ck, bad promoter that year, things have changed now.

I'm not overly invested in the situation. I just think it sends the right message to the young guys when you reward them for battling hard for a spot, which JS did.

I just don't understand the 9 D, when it's offensive forwards this team lacks.
- Fosco

I am not sure the Canucks are sending the wrong message. IMO Connauton Sauve and other Wolves D don't deserve to be here except for Tanev. He was not drafted but proved he belong.

The only other player IMO that was nooticable aside from Kassian was Archibald. The games I watched I never seen anything outstanding with JS or Rodin. I noticed Archie and Kas because of their size and net pressence. I wondered on many a night if Schroeer was in the line up.

Totally 100% undeserved. (frank)ing Arniel
- Fosco

I am not a fn of Arneil, as i am sure I have mentioned more then once on here. However I have no problem with him benching his best players for brain cramps and selfishness(Kassian)and lazy, uninterested play without the puck(Schroader)

Totally 100% undeserved. (frank)ing Arniel
- Fosco

Arniel is horrible.

Perry likes to fight .Who is going to stand up to him?
- VANTEL

Lappy, Volpatti, Weise, Bieksa, Garrison. Or they just let Perry goon it up and take a penalty. The guy averages about 3 fights a year—it's not like he's Tiger Williams...

Not sure why you think it's Vandermeer vs. JS. They could have kept them both and sent somebody else down.

It's ridiculas on this team tho...no one denies what you are saying.
- boonerbuck

Maybe, but Detroit is similar. The odd guy sneaks through but most don't for a few yrs.

Lappy, Volpatti, Weise, Bieksa, Garrison. Or they just let Perry goon it up and take a penalty. The guy averages about 3 fights a year—it's not like he's Tiger Williams...

Not sure why you think it's Vandermeer vs. JS. They could have kept them both and sent somebody else down.
- Fosco

We have different opinions of JS. I don't think he is NHL material . It's a big mans game or a very gifted small man .He is neither IMO.

I am not a fn of Arneil, as i am sure I have mentioned more then once on here. However I have no problem with him benching his best players for brain cramps and selfishness(Kassian)and lazy, uninterested play without the puck(Schroader)
- Bieksa#3

I can understand the Kassian benching to a degree (he was playing undisciplined), but Schroeder was easily one of the better performers around the time of the benching—it was totally unwarranted.

I've heard some speculation that it was more to wake up the rest of the team to let them know they couldn't just rely on JS to provide the offence.

Somebody needs to post a J Blacker pic. He is thepinacle of what a prospect should be.
- Bieksa#3

I would like to see JS get a shot on the big club because I just don't know how he will do.
He plays well in the AHL so one has to use that as a gauge for NHL readiness. If someone else has another method (corsi?) to evaluate rookie players (not coming out jrs or college) then please let me know about it.

Again, a fan of a franchise that handles their rookies so poorly comes into our thread saying that JS sucks.