and lol @ they're not competing for the same spot. (frank)ing right they are, they are competing for bottom 6 minutes, Frattin hasn't proven he can be a consistent top 2 line guy anyways. They're both right wingers and on the bottom of the roster....Think about it. Obviously Carlyle has a thing for fighters and grit, just take a look at his Cup team in Anaheim, where they led in fighting majors. The difference is, there is no Getzlaf here, there is no Perry, no Pronger, which are the type of top end guys you need in order to fill your roster with guys that just provide sand paper and fighting.

It all depends on what kind of fan you are.
- bloatedmosquito

You could be a stupid fan, who wants to see the team cut corners or you could be a smart fan, who wants to see the team rebuild properly for once.

Price versus Reimer.
- Two_For_Truth

hopefully he doesn't get Gianta again

So basically he's Mikhail Grabovsky.

Edit: I should add...Benn's getting more favourable minutes than Grabovsky.
- p_zub

Not all all Jamie Benn is going to be a star, mark my words. Also Toronto has NO shot at him, stop dreaming folks.

But on the flip side which of those two players would provide the leafs with instant dividends? Benn, single handily, will not get you into the playoffs. But Lu could. I know some leaf fans that only care about the short term and I know leaf fans that want short term pain for long term gain.

It all depends on what kind of fan you are.
- bloatedmosquito

To Toronto: Luongo
To Van: Franson, Bozak, 2nd

To Toronto: Benn
To Dallas: Gardiner, McArther, Conditional 2013 1st (lottery protected).

Did I just solve everyone's problems? I think I just may have.

How about Dion gives Galchensuck a warm welcome to the NHL
- Leafland

Are you talking about this Dion?

But on the flip side which of those two players would provide the leafs with instant dividends? Benn, single handily, will not get you into the playoffs. But Lu could. I know some leaf fans that only care about the short term and I know leaf fans that want short term pain for long term gain.

It all depends on what kind of fan you are.
- bloatedmosquito

It been 40+ years of pain


what's a few more.

Komarov should be in Prust's ear all night ...and Orr better have one leg over the boards ready to go.
- The Law

prust wont go with Orr... Hes browns female dog.

This team sucks

Benn's trajectory- 1st season 41 points, 2nd season, 56 points, 3rd season 63 points in 71 games...I'd say he's right around on pace to average a point per game or more this season and beyond.

This team sucks
- Mandelbaum

It's looks to be pretty bad, only thing that will save them is a great work ethic, which I have yet to see from this team.

asking price?
- bobbyisno1

If the leafs start 2 and 5, luongo improves the team for 3 or 4 years and then what? If leafs get lu, they cant give up much. His contract is too bad. wait till after next season. Van will either buy him out or lower the price. If another team takes him so what, assets saved and burdens avoided. The leafs wont do anything with him now or next year anyway

I just got on, some of us have to work, homie g.

Point is, Colton Orr is a total waste of a roster spot, I haven't seen the guy play in forever, who knows if he can if still keep up in the NHL. I'd never keep a one dimensional fighter like Orr over pretty much ANYONE. Frattin should be on this team, and i'm not even saying he's that good, point is, this team BLOWS.
- blahman20

Been several reports from Eakins, Carlyle, Barb Underhill (skating coach) that Orr has transformed his game, and his body, to reinvent himself as a checker - useful 4th liner.

Remains to be seen, but that's what's being said.

Frattin, on other hand, has been very unremarkable for about a month now in AHL (started hot after injury, but cooled off substantially). He didn't impress enough at camp to steal a job, which is what he had to do. He will likely be back up very soon, but as Nonis said, "it's up to him."

To Toronto: Luongo
To Van: Franson, Bozak, 2nd

To Toronto: Benn
To Dallas: Gardiner, McArther, Conditional 2013 1st (lottery protected).

Did I just solve everyone's problems? I think I just may have.
- Big_Lightnin

not bad ....

could live with that

but there goes the cap.

There's no doubt that Benn has some skill...but he was not his team's leading scorer (Eriksson), and according to his advanced stats, he was fourth among Dallas forwards in Quality of Competition. He could very well see his production skyrocket over the next few years, or then again it might not. Dallas doesn't seem to be as optimistic if they're not even in the same general pay bracket...and this is after signing Jagr and Whitney.
- p_zub

If you look into it, the whole "quality of competition " is a poor stat. For instance, I am pretty sure that if Benn played against the third line of the Penguins and Dallas' third line played against the Penguins top line (as the lines are usually gonna match up) then Dallas third line would rate a higher quality of competition, which of course is true, but its not telling you what you want to know. Basically, Jamie Benn has to play against the best checkers on every team. Its just like earlier someone said that Grabovski plays against the toughest competition on the Leafs. Maybe by that stat, its true. But you have to realize that Phil Kessel is out there against Chara and Weber and the teams best checking line night after night.

Heres where the Leafs are going to add a ton of value: If the other teams have to put their best checking lines and top D pairings out against Phil and Lupul, then either the Grabovski line or the Kadri line (for as long as these lines last anyways) is going to be playing some very weak competition and the Leafs are going to have no trouble scoring.

You could be a stupid fan, who wants to see the team cut corners or you could be a smart fan, who wants to see the team rebuild properly for once.
- Two_For_Truth

Question is, when will that start for this franchise? It always seems to be one step forward and then two steps back.

Is Nonis going to be the GM for long? Where does it put the rebuild if a new GM comes in next year or the year after that?

To Toronto: Luongo
To Van: Franson, Bozak, 2nd

To Toronto: Benn
To Dallas: Gardiner, McArther, Conditional 2013 1st (lottery protected).

Did I just solve everyone's problems? I think I just may have.
- Big_Lightnin

Nope.

Montreal's gonna get blown apart tomorrow.
- Zezel

No Subban and an injured Carey Price? Time to lay down some beating to les habitants

Are you talking about this Dion?


- bloatedmosquito

I think i ran over him the other day .....



just got in my way ....


what can i do

Been several reports from Eakins, Carlyle, Barb Underhill (skating coach) that Orr has transformed his game, and his body, to reinvent himself as a checker - useful 4th liner.

Remains to be seen, but that's what's being said.

Frattin, on other hand, has been very unremarkable for about a month now in AHL (started hot after injury, but cooled off substantially). He didn't impress enough at camp to steal a job, which is what he had to do. He will likely be back up very soon, but as Nonis said, "it's up to him."
- Big_Lightnin

Listen to me carfully....Colton...Orr....Sucks....And Willl contribute nothing to the Maple Leafs this year, other than sticking up for his team mates. I don't care how bad Frattin has been LATELY, look at what he's done all season in the AHL, he's been just fine. The guy is not a superstar, or anything close, people need to stop thinking he is. He's a good 3rd line player, MAYBE 2nd line player, however on a bad team like the Leafs he's a little bit more, and certainly better than Colton Orr.

Nope.
- Two_For_Truth

Kadri instead of the 1st? or you just don't want Lu at all...

To Toronto: Luongo
To Van: Franson, Bozak, 2nd

To Toronto: Benn
To Dallas: Gardiner, McArther, Conditional 2013 1st (lottery protected).

Did I just solve everyone's problems? I think I just may have.
- Big_Lightnin

The only way the Leafs get Benn is they trade Gardner and a first that is NOT top five protected. Thats where the Leafs can score value : in giving other teams a shot at number one overall. If the Leafs are confident they won't finish badly then this is a good move. I don't think there is any chacne with Benn on the roster we miss the playoffs. But then again, I think our biggest priority should be adding a top pairing defensemen. Our D is really, really weak right now.

This team sucks
- Mandelbaum

given them a chance before you proclaim this.

after 10 games sure

come on the season hasn't even started and you're
being NEGATIVE!

No Subban and an injured Carey Price? Time to lay down some beating to les habitants
- lumlums

Whats Price's injury?

If you look into it, the whole "quality of competition " is a poor stat. For instance, I am pretty sure that if Benn played against the third line of the Penguins and Dallas' third line played against the Penguins top line (as the lines are usually gonna match up) then Dallas third line would rate a higher quality of competition, which of course is true, but its not telling you what you want to know. Basically, Jamie Benn has to play against the best checkers on every team. Its just like earlier someone said that Grabovski plays against the toughest competition on the Leafs. Maybe by that stat, its true. But you have to realize that Phil Kessel is out there against Chara and Weber and the teams best checking line night after night.

Heres where the Leafs are going to add a ton of value: If the other teams have to put their best checking lines and top D pairings out against Phil and Lupul, then either the Grabovski line or the Kadri line (for as long as these lines last anyways) is going to be playing some very weak competition and the Leafs are going to have no trouble scoring.
- Aquaman_2400

Hey, nobody said Grabovsky's competition was tougher than Kessel's, because it isn't and we all know that. If you look at the advanced stats for Dallas, teams were consistently matching their better players against Eriksson, Morrow, and Ribeiro. Sure, it's very possible he can continue his linear trajectory in points per season, but I wouldn't pay the price for an 80+ point forward when he a) isn't one now, and b) wasn't drafted as one.