this may have already been covered, but i don't feel like scrolling through 20 pages.

if the leafs are going with a youth movement, and recent moves indicate that's what they're doing; then what's point in sending down a young and talented kid lilke frattin, who could actually contribute, and keeping a useless goon who hasn't won an nhl fight in 3 years and has zero hockey skill, like orr?

i could understand if orr could actually play, or was still a really feared enforcer, but i just don't understand the logic in this move. the guy is gonna a healthy scratch practically every night, and if his recent injuries are any indication, he's one punch away from being a vegetable.

so just curious, what is the reason for this move?
- sensarmy_11

He struggled and other young players took his spot. Orr is a 4th liner that will see 5 minutes a game. You dont put Frattin in that slot. Thats like asking why Zibenjad (sp?) didnt play in place of Konopka.

this may have already been covered, but i don't feel like scrolling through 20 pages.

if the leafs are going with a youth movement, and recent moves indicate that's what they're doing; then what's point in sending down a young and talented kid lilke frattin, who could actually contribute, and keeping a useless goon who hasn't won an nhl fight in 3 years and has zero hockey skill, like orr?

i could understand if orr could actually play, or was still a really feared enforcer, but i just don't understand the logic in this move. the guy is gonna a healthy scratch practically every night, and if his recent injuries are any indication, he's one punch away from being a vegetable.

so just curious, what is the reason for this move?
- sensarmy_11

Because they had no room. 4th line 4mins/game is pointless for him.

this may have already been covered, but i don't feel like scrolling through 20 pages.

if the leafs are going with a youth movement, and recent moves indicate that's what they're doing; then what's point in sending down a young and talented kid lilke frattin, who could actually contribute, and keeping a useless goon who hasn't won an nhl fight in 3 years and has zero hockey skill, like orr?

i could understand if orr could actually play, or was still a really feared enforcer, but i just don't understand the logic in this move. the guy is gonna a healthy scratch practically every night, and if his recent injuries are any indication, he's one punch away from being a vegetable.

so just curious, what is the reason for this move?
- sensarmy_11

you answered your own question.....no need having frattin in the pressbox

Burke half ass'd the rebuild, stuck the leafs in some sort if purgatory where we still dont know which way to go. We dont have enough elite prospects to rebuild properly, we dont have enough Elite NHL talent to look into acquiring other players to add to our contending team.

We are in the middle, spinning wheels..thanks to Burke
- senstroll

barf. Total tsn dude. come on. Rating your comment for accuracy, out of ten, i give it a1.

Classic. I knew you would say this. Burke only said he wasn't interested in bottoming out to get last picks. Because, like many intellegent people, he beileved this to be a risky process with no guarentees. With the way, he was able to add 4 top ten picks who were already not busts. JVR, Kessel, Phaneuf and Lupul is probably better than any average 4 top ten picks. Edmonton can not be looked as "average" what they did is unlikey to be repeatable.

The idea that there is only one way to build a team is preposterous.
- Aquaman_2400

Burke took other teams problems and projects

JVR - Injury prone, big but not tough, has not come close to living up to a #2 pick expectations. a def gamble for the leafs
Kessel - Solid player, the cost is too much, and not the player to start a rebuild with
Phaneuf - questionable leadership, spotty def play, has been an overall disappointment. The price was right
Lupul - A dump by Ana. Burke lucked out here, lupul has to repeat though, and is also not that young anymore, but the time the leafs make the playoffs he will be >30

Try again. You can do it!
- Pecafan Fan

fail upon fail.

help please!!!

fail upon fail.

help please!!!
- Big_Lightnin

Yea, I felt bad for the kid so I let it go.

Is Gardiner on IR cause I get 24 players not 23. And agree with others here. Kostka,Holzer and Fraser?? All 3. Why ? Figure it out.

Lupul Bozak Kessel
Mac Grabo Kulemin
JVR Kadri Komarov
Brown McClement Orr
Steckel

Phanuef Gunner
Liles Komi
Franson Kostka

Fraser
Holzer
Gardiner ( on IR??)

Scrivens
Reimer
- D.Lemieux

...yup

Still havent found a thing about this Gillis meltdown that has gone quote and linkless. I did find this though while trying to find it. Quote of Gary Roberts.

"For me, I'd like to be the guy that looks at Mike Gillis and says, 'You're a moron,'" Roberts said. "It almost was like they thought he [Hodgson] didn't want to work. Well, I can tell you that this kid out of all the kids that I train, he's up there in the [Steven] Stamkos group as far as commitment and determination. What I tell him, he does, so I know he's coachable and I love working with him."

kadri will be wing on the PP is my guess.

mac-gbov-kadri

my best guess. mac is a better goal scorer than kulemin IMO.
- big_dion

You would have to be smoking crack in order to think JVR isnt going to see some major pp time.

Still havent found a thing about this Gillis meltdown that has gone quote and linkless. I did find this though while trying to find it. Quote of Gary Roberts.
- Gunslinger

Love it.


And yea, I haven;t found anything either

This is craziness ... How can we not have made a more significant move then for the likes of JVR? As a fan, I take half the credit for the ridiculousness of this situation. 8 years since a playoff game ... 3 years since a game changing trade and yet we still support this team? How can we possibly make it so clear to the Blue Jays to make a change if they want us to continue to support them, and yet watch our Leafs put the same damn team on the ice and believe we are going to have different results?

2 years ago, the Philadelphia Flyers were backed by a young, talented goalie named Bobrovsky. They didn't win the Cup or make it past the second round, and the first thing Holmgren did come the offseason, wasn't have a press conference with the infamous "we believe in him" speech (one that has echoed LeafsTV several times regarding Reimer and Gustavsson) ... But he went out, addressed the problem and brought in an all star netminder like Bryzgalov.

Are fans, outcomes, and pride that much more important in Philly then up here in the city of Toronto? Are we Leaf fans really this stupid to believe Reimer is a starter, and Bozak is a #1C? We were dumb enough to believe in your Gustavsson trend, stupid enough to follow your Kulemin hype, idiotic enough to give Reimer a shot, and now gullible enough to raise joy over the Gardiner talk ... Instead of treating us like mushrooms, how about you do us the honour of treating us the way Minnesota has treated their fans this year. Or Carolina has showed appreciation to its followers. Or Columbus, NYR, Dallas or LA has went out and done, and pull the trigger on some proven players in this league, rather then keep lifting random rocks and hoping stars rise up from underneath ...

After 8 years with 2 lockouts and 0 playoff games ... I would rather hate a GM for making a poor move, then hate you for doing nothing to change our team!!

glad you are happy with the state of the team.

- Barx

I actually am very happy. All my life I wanted the leafs to go with a young team that could grow together. I am also very happy that the Leafs have not gotten Luongo. I love Riemer. I believe in him. I think he deserves a chance and that this team will suprise everyone.

Thanks to all, there is a better vibe around here. Less name calling and , punch my nuts, some respectful arguing.

this may have already been covered, but i don't feel like scrolling through 20 pages.

if the leafs are going with a youth movement, and recent moves indicate that's what they're doing; then what's point in sending down a young and talented kid lilke frattin, who could actually contribute, and keeping a useless goon who hasn't won an nhl fight in 3 years and has zero hockey skill, like orr?

i could understand if orr could actually play, or was still a really feared enforcer, but i just don't understand the logic in this move. the guy is gonna a healthy scratch practically every night, and if his recent injuries are any indication, he's one punch away from being a vegetable.

so just curious, what is the reason for this move?
- sensarmy_11

barf. Total tsn dude. come on. Rating your comment for accuracy, out of ten, i give it a1.
- Aquaman_2400

so you are one of the comments I see on TSN that everyone shakes their head at.
Makes sense, everyone does the same here.

I am not swinging from Burke or MLSE nuts, must be a 1 out of 10

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Carlyle very complimentary of Colton Orr. Says he "is a player who has assets which we'll decide if we use him night in and night out.


Translation...... when we need someone to go out and fight, he will dress for that game

Its not a matter of thinking they were 5th worst. They were 5th worst.
- Gunslinger

Burke could have done something about that (fire Wilson sooner, shoot Gus etc..) I am glad he didnt, but he could have made moves sooner to help the team not implode I am sure.
they finished 26th yes..but a few points more (gus gave up a dozen on his own) they are not 26th

fail upon fail.

help please!!!
- Big_Lightnin

He was on the radio. People talk about it on twitter.

Nobody is saying they are set. Thats the point. Thats why they are still rebuilding. Im not sure where you're getting the notion Nonis is content with his youth and that its time to compete. Nor do I understand why you think the 5th worst team is that much better than last year because they now have JVR and McClement.
- Gunslinger

ITs not just JVR and McC. its a new coach, a defensive system, a healthy Riemer, an extra year of improvment for all our players. The addition of Kadri, eventually Frattin ( I remember when I was called a moron for suggesting Kadri would make the team over Fratting, and I mean, like, flamed to the point of harrassment. Glad to see the coach and me are on the same page.)

Burke could have done something about that (fire Wilson sooner, shoot Gus etc..) I am glad he didnt, but he could have made moves sooner to help the team not implode I am sure.
they finished 26th yes..but a few points more (gus gave up a dozen on his own) they are not 26th
- senstroll

I dont disagree. Burke could have done a lot better.

Im glad he did nothing. We werent a good team, and needed that pick.

This is craziness ... How can we not have made a more significant move then for the likes of JVR? As a fan, I take half the credit for the ridiculousness of this situation. 8 years since a playoff game ... 3 years since a game changing trade and yet we still support this team? How can we possibly make it so clear to the Blue Jays to make a change if they want us to continue to support them, and yet watch our Leafs put the same damn team on the ice and believe we are going to have different results?

2 years ago, the Philadelphia Flyers were backed by a young, talented goalie named Bobrovsky. They didn't win the Cup or make it past the second round, and the first thing Holmgren did come the offseason, wasn't have a press conference with the infamous "we believe in him" speech (one that has echoed LeafsTV several times regarding Reimer and Gustavsson) ... But he went out, addressed the problem and brought in an all star netminder like Bryzgalov.

Are fans, outcomes, and pride that much more important in Philly then up here in the city of Toronto? Are we Leaf fans really this stupid to believe Reimer is a starter, and Bozak is a #1C? We were dumb enough to believe in your Gustavsson trend, stupid enough to follow your Kulemin hype, idiotic enough to give Reimer a shot, and now gullible enough to raise joy over the Gardiner talk ... Instead of treating us like mushrooms, how about you do us the honour of treating us the way Minnesota has treated their fans this year. Or Carolina has showed appreciation to its followers. Or Columbus, NYR, Dallas or LA has went out and done, and pull the trigger on some proven players in this league, rather then keep lifting random rocks and hoping stars rise up from underneath ...

After 8 years with 2 lockouts and 0 playoff games ... I would rather hate a GM for making a poor move, then hate you for doing nothing to change our team!!
- KaceTy

I know like get Crosby, Malkin, Webber, Chara and Lundqvist already - what is the big (frank)ing hold up!

Tony Ambrogio ‏@SNTonyAmbrogio

Carlyle on Orr: Colton Orr brings protection...good work ethic...strong leadership qualities. He's earned it

Am I the only one who LOVED the way they were with the media? treated them like the idiots they are.

Burkes parting shot at Simmons in his fairwell presser was gold.
- Big_Lightnin

No me, I love Burke for his mouth as much for his gm-ing skills. I didnt like his coaching so much, but I loved Wilson for the same reason. Too much white washed corperate BS and Yes men around.

He struggled and other young players took his spot. Orr is a 4th liner that will see 5 minutes a game. You dont put Frattin in that slot. Thats like asking why Zibenjad (sp?) didnt play in place of Konopka.
- Gunslinger

that makes sense. i didn't realize he would have been on the 4th line. i remember reading in a few places that he was gonna likely be on a line with JVR and kadri. agree that he would have been wasted on the 4th line, much better getting top six minutes in the AHL

ITs not just JVR and McC. its a new coach, a defensive system, a healthy Riemer, an extra year of improvment for all our players. The addition of Kadri, eventually Frattin ( I remember when I was called a moron for suggesting Kadri would make the team over Fratting, and I mean, like, flamed to the point of harrassment. Glad to see the coach and me are on the same page.)
- Aquaman_2400

Someone who reads a lot of comments, I can say without a doubt that this is wrong, all wanted to see Kadri get a chance as well as Frattin not one over the other.