is this dion phaneuf with the flames or with the leafs? huge difference
- wingz4life

Not like Dion plays 27ish minutes a night or anything.

Im actually 50/50 regarding Luongo to Toronto, because I can appreciate both sides of the argument.
- Colin Dambrauskas

So you're only half insane?

Just got back from the buckcherry show and Lombardi has been traded.

Nice.
- Dozzer

DONT READ OUR PREVIOUS/CURRENT CONVOS!!!!

So you're only half insane?
- Dozzer

damn

Excellent counter point.
- Blazed

it is, did burke pull on your heart strings when he was distraught when sending Orr to waivers.

In 5 years? So 2018?

Here is what you get, and it aint pretty. This is why Luongo is a bad idea. Check out the link.

http://www.capgeek.com/bu...8&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

Not sure how accurate that is, so take it for what its worth.



Roberto Luongo buyout from CapGeek.com

◦2018-19: $2,534,667
◦2019-20: $4,298,667
◦2020-21: $4,916,667
◦2021-22: $4,916,667
◦2022-23: $583,333
◦2023-24: $583,333
◦2024-25: $583,333
◦2025-26: $583,333
- systemtool

Yeah...three years at 5M aint pretty. I suppose the only way it makes sense is if he could provide around 7 years of hockey...then it could be manageable.

damn
- Colin Dambrauskas

Lol

I'm scared.

Lombardi creates cap space..... Which means ....

it is, did burke pull on your heart strings when he was distraught when sending Orr to waivers.
- wingz4life

Not at all if you could read you would see I said Orr would have to make it on merit. A defensively sound forecheck that can bang in the offensive zone for a bit so the Kessel line can swoop in and take advantage

But no you're right having our number 1 defenseman fight our battles which he can't even do well is a smart plan.

Im actually 50/50 regarding Luongo to Toronto, because I can appreciate both sides of the argument.
- Colin Dambrauskas

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad

Lol

I'm scared.

Lombardi creates cap space..... Which means ....
- Dozzer

Kinda what I was thinking...but then I realized that they STILL have 8 guys battling for the bottom two lines...so...theres that.

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad
- Mapleleafs_91

Cap hit, not salary. I dont care what he gets paid. And if he retires, there is a cap hit for that too.

Is 4-5 bad years worth 4-5 decent years?

Yea its that bad. You should see the numbers.

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad
- Mapleleafs_91

The one and crucial negative would be the cap hit. Money? It's a non issue for the leafs... But cap space?

Kinda what I was thinking...but then I realized that they STILL have 8 guys battling for the bottom two lines...so...theres that.
- Colin Dambrauskas

The frightening part is that its a guy who isn't a skater

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad
- Mapleleafs_91

That's best case scenario. Also assuming we give up little long term value. Can't win a Cup with Vancouver how could he ever in Toronto?

What happens if he's decidedly very mediocre next year. Sorry if .919 on a Presidents Trophy winner isnt that remarkable. Is it an improvement? Absolutely. Is it the right move long term is much less clear.

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad
- Mapleleafs_91

Or he magically develops a chronic groin issue and has to rehab at his summer house in Florida all year and sits on LTIR. Him, Hossa, Z, Vinny, Weber, DP, Richards, Chara, Parise, Suter, Ehrhoff and Kovalchuk will just be snapchatting away like crazy with pics of their "injuries".

I want to see kadri centering the first line....

Kessel Kadri Lupul

JVR Grabo Mac

Frattin ___?(Connolly)___ Kulemin (put the ? for the possibility of bozak being traded)

Brown Steckel Mcclement
- Mapleleafs_91

Scores 3 goals in intra-scrimmage game. 1st line center.

What people dont understand is yes his contract is bad, but think about it, hes 33 right now, hed be good for about 4-5 years. Once he turns 38 his contract goes down to 3M, then 1.5 the next, then the final 2 years 1M. Are you telling me having him as a backup goaltender or have him retire around that time is a bad thing? Or even to buy out his cheap remaining contract? Its not that bad
- Mapleleafs_91

except, tool and I just proved that buying him out in 6 or less years might not be wise. He would need to provide 4-5 years of starter material and 1-2 years of backup. Not so sure hes got it in him....but...I dont really know the guy.

Or he magically develops a chronic groin issue and has to rehab at his summer house in Florida all year and sits on LTIR. Him, Hossa, Z, Vinny, Weber, DP, Richards, Chara, Parise, Suter, Ehrhoff and Kovalchuk will just be snapchatting away like crazy with pics of their "injuries".
- DTF69

except, tool and I just proved that buying him out in 6 or less years might not be wise. He would need to provide 4-5 years of starter material and 1-2 years of backup. Not so sure hes got it in him....but...I dont really know the guy.
- Colin Dambrauskas

He's still a terrific goaltender and if the Canucks could muster more than like 1.33 goals a game in the playoffs their last 2 series this conversation would've even be a thing.

Or he magically develops a chronic groin issue and has to rehab at his summer house in Florida all year and sits on LTIR. Him, Hossa, Z, Vinny, Weber, DP, Richards, Chara, Parise, Suter, Ehrhoff and Kovalchuk will just be snapchatting away like crazy with pics of their "injuries".
- DTF69

those chronic groin issues certainly do creep up on a guy

Scores 3 goals in intra-scrimmage game. 1st line center.
- peddy-93

I dont base it off his 3 goals. Kadri is primarily a setter. He is known to set the play not score goals as often. He is better as a setter. If you place kadri in between kessel and lupul. I can guarantee you, he will put the same amount of points or better than what bozak has done. He will guaranteed rack those assists up

The frightening part is that its a guy who isn't a skater


- Dozzer

sorry?

except, tool and I just proved that buying him out in 6 or less years might not be wise. He would need to provide 4-5 years of starter material and 1-2 years of backup. Not so sure hes got it in him....but...I dont really know the guy.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Not an easy time for Leaf fans and Nonis. Who knows what the right answer is anymore. Im just glad hockey is back and about to hit the ice.

Not at all if you could read you would see I said Orr would have to make it on merit. A defensively sound forecheck that can bang in the offensive zone for a bit so the Kessel line can swoop in and take advantage

But no you're right having our number 1 defenseman fight our battles which he can't even do well is a smart plan.
- Blazed

heres my ultimate leafs lineup, theyd of course have to trade for some of these players

tootoo-rosehill-orr
scott-avery-parros
carcillo-janssen-torres
gilles-konopka-cooke

if we got all these guys on one team, they would beat the hell out of the other team and score a ton of goals

I dont base it off his 3 goals. Kadri is primarily a setter. He is known to set the play not score goals as often. He is better as a setter. If you place kadri in between kessel and lupul. I can guarantee you, he will put the same amount of points or better than what bozak has done. He will guaranteed rack those assists up
- Mapleleafs_91

I think the last time Kadri passed the puck was 1983.