No clue. Maybe they get lucky with a buyout? Backstrom wouldnt be a bad option for a year or two.
- systemtool

Problem with backstrom is that i have a feeling minny wants to remain competitive. Since they signed parise and suter, so he could be resigned. Panthers on the other hand i can see not resigning theodore because of markstrom

Once we find a way to solve Vezina/Conn Smythe goaltending the cup is ours!
- DTF69

Best hurry....those twin sisters arent getting any younger!

time to get Luongo ---- Reimer - Kadri - Komi & 3rd
- leaf-sask

No trading kadri

I agree. I cant believe people still think a guy like Lucic or any physical player wont still run a Kessel if given the chance just because Orr is on the team.
- systemtool

No but if you're Lucic running around calling out every semi tough guy on the team like Phaneuf to a fight, grabbing at his jersey and pulling him around, you cut that poop out when Orr skates over. Most guys don't like fighting twice in a night.

No, youre right...but the Leafs can afford to buy him out or what have you, if need be. I personally think hes got 5 years left in him, where 3 would be legit starting numbers.

If he could provide the Leafs with 5 years of hockey, dosnt seem like a brutal idea to me. Its been years since they've iced a quality tender and I dont see it in Reimer or Scrivens...hopefully Im wrong.

The team needs to start making the playoffs and challenging the rest of the league or else they will never be able to bring in any big names. Although you can wish for tanking and drafting as much as you want, we all know with the new owners, this is not going to happen.
- Colin Dambrauskas

We wont have the buy out amnesty by the time buying him out is the best option.

Problem though is him providing decent enough hockey to get us to 8th or 9th and not past the first round, and we miss out on getting the picks that most likely can turn this team around.

I dont even mind them making a push to make the playoffs. What I do mind is taking on bad contracts and older players. Sure, try to make the playoffs, but find younger guys with more manageable contracts that you can build a team around.

I agree completely about the owners though, unfortunately.

Problem with backstrom is that i have a feeling minny wants to remain competitive. Since they signed parise and suter, so he could be resigned. Panthers on the other hand i can see not resigning theodore because of markstrom
- Mapleleafs_91

Cap space may solve that problem. They might not have enough of it.

No but if you're Lucic running around calling out every semi tough guy on the team like Phaneuf to a fight, grabbing at his jersey and pulling him around, you cut that poop out when Orr skates over. Most guys don't like fighting twice in a night.
- Blazed

ya but Lucic does other things like score goals and plays on the PP, what does Orr do for the rest of the game? sit on the bench..

See i dont like when people say that.

Tim Thomas was older 37-39 years old and he still owns.

Same goes with kipper older than luu, and brodeur, even nabby doesnt do that bad at his age.
- Mapleleafs_91

Elite goaltenders don't age the same way as other positions. A good goaltending coach and the right off season training does wonders. Its why I never minded the contract. Top goalies have a different bell curve in their careers.

Cap space may solve that problem. They might not have enough of it.
- systemtool

True say

No trading kadri
- Mapleleafs_91

Amen to that brother. With lombardi gone i think kadri has a spot almost guaranteed on the team.

Elite goaltenders don't age the same way as other positions. A good goaltending coach and the right off season training does wonders. Its why I never minded the contract. Top goalies have a different bell curve in their careers.
- DTF69

Luongo is stastically one of the top goalies that remain active, so i agree with you on that.

See i dont like when people say that.

Tim Thomas was older 37-39 years old and he still owns.

Same goes with kipper older than luu, and brodeur, even nabby doesnt do that bad at his age.
- Mapleleafs_91

The problem is when they are signed until the age of what...42?

I wouldnt mind any of those goalies on the Leafs, except nut job Thomas, but I dont want any of them if they come with a bad contract and we have to give up quality future assets to get them.

Amen to that brother. With lombardi gone i think kadri has a spot almost guaranteed on the team.
- LEAFSfan28191

Like the canucks specifically said they wanted to get bigger. Does kadri fit that category? NO. I still think the deal would be around prospect Ashton.

Still believe that the deal will centralize around 2nd Rounder, Ashton, and Bozak. Fill in some more pieces for the deal to get done and its good to go

Luongo is stastically one of the top goalies that remain active, so i agree with you on that.
- Mapleleafs_91

Even guys like Roloson and Kolzig did well into their late late 30s. Its not as taxing as a powerforward or Dman getting older. Look around the league at some of the olders guys. Marty, Backstrom, Kipper, Nabokov. All got like 2 years on Lou and they're still really good.

It pains me to watch Kipper in Calgary. He's still terrific but Calgary is so bad he can't make up for it anymore. Stick an average goalie in there like Niemi or Hiller and Calgary is a bottom seed easily.

teams can only use the amnesty buyout this and next summer, you cant save them for future offseasons can you..
- wingz4life

No, but given Luongos age in 5 years, wouldnt a buy out be rather cheap? I cant say im well versed in this area. His salary drops to 3.3M in six years, correct me if Im wrong but they take into account the NHL salary at the time of a buyout, not the cap hit right?


For players 26 or older, a buyout costs two-thirds of remaining contract value.
On a buyout, the team takes a cap hit for a percentage of the buyout value (according to a very complex formula) spread over twice the length of the remaining contract years.


...there you go. So in say 5-6 years it wouldnt be a costly buyout if the Leafs decided to exercise that.

Amen to that brother. With lombardi gone i think kadri has a spot almost guaranteed on the team.
- LEAFSfan28191

I want to see kadri centering the first line....

Kessel Kadri Lupul

JVR Grabo Mac

Frattin ___?(Connolly)___ Kulemin (put the ? for the possibility of bozak being traded)

Brown Steckel Mcclement

Like the canucks specifically said they wanted to get bigger. Does kadri fit that category? NO. I still think the deal would be around prospect Ashton.

Still believe that the deal will centralize around 2nd Rounder, Ashton, and Bozak. Fill in some more pieces for the deal to get done and its good to go
- Mapleleafs_91

I wanted Ashton so bad that draft. I'm not sure how he's developed but him and Stefan Elliot were the ones I was really hoping for.

Just got back from the buckcherry show and Lombardi has been traded.

Nice.

ya but Lucic does other things like score goals and plays on the PP, what does Orr do for the rest of the game? sit on the bench..
- wingz4life

Ya and Phaneuf gets to stay on the ice and not be in the box for 5 minutes and not have the hunchback trying to fight him.

Ya and Phaneuf gets to stay on the ice and not be in the box for 5 minutes and not have the hunchback trying to fight him.
- Blazed

is this dion phaneuf with the flames or with the leafs? huge difference

No, but given Luongos age in 5 years, wouldnt a buy out be rather cheap? I cant say im well versed in this area. His salary drops to 3.3M in six years, correct me if Im wrong but they take into account the NHL salary at the time of a buyout, not the cap hit right?


For players 26 or older, a buyout costs two-thirds of remaining contract value.
On a buyout, the team takes a cap hit for a percentage of the buyout value (according to a very complex formula) spread over twice the length of the remaining contract years.


...there you go. So in say 5-6 years it wouldnt be a costly buyout if the Leafs decided to exercise that.
- Colin Dambrauskas

In 5 years? So 2018?

Here is what you get, and it aint pretty. This is why Luongo is a bad idea. Check out the link.

http://www.capgeek.com/bu...8&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

Not sure how accurate that is, so take it for what its worth.



Roberto Luongo buyout from CapGeek.com

◦2018-19: $2,534,667
◦2019-20: $4,298,667
◦2020-21: $4,916,667
◦2021-22: $4,916,667
◦2022-23: $583,333
◦2023-24: $583,333
◦2024-25: $583,333
◦2025-26: $583,333

I wanted Ashton so bad that draft. I'm not sure how he's developed but him and Stefan Elliot were the ones I was really hoping for.
- DTF69

Like im not going to hate if we trade him away. Just that right when kadri is starting to look promising, everyone is demanding to trade him away. And in all respect, if anyone really thought about it, WHO THE F is going to center our first line if we trade kadri and bozak

is this dion phaneuf with the flames or with the leafs? huge difference
- wingz4life

Excellent counter point.

is this dion phaneuf with the flames or with the leafs? huge difference
- wingz4life

I don't know. Ever since he had to play top forwards instead of hiding behind the best years of Robyn Regehr he wasn't even that good in Calgary.

We wont have the buy out amnesty by the time buying him out is the best option.

Problem though is him providing decent enough hockey to get us to 8th or 9th and not past the first round, and we miss out on getting the picks that most likely can turn this team around.

I dont even mind them making a push to make the playoffs. What I do mind is taking on bad contracts and older players. Sure, try to make the playoffs, but find younger guys with more manageable contracts that you can build a team around.

I agree completely about the owners though, unfortunately.
- systemtool

Im actually 50/50 regarding Luongo to Toronto, because I can appreciate both sides of the argument.