Real simple here guys...

You can try to mask the fact that the Hawks really have no one to help Toews on the dot

You simply will not win a Stanley Cup with Corey Crawford in net. Anyone that genuinely believes that is fooling themselves. Stan Bo etc know this - they HAVE to know this. And he must be aggressive in trying to get a solid improvement in net.

I'm just pissed--this team is ready to win RIGHT NOW with some of their core already aging. The fact that they continue to turn a blind eye to the goalie mess is a complete joke.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Can we win a Cup with a rookie like Lehner ?

He does. Don't much about Lehner other that he's big and has a good AHL record. I'm willing to roll the dice with Craw at least one more time.
- philco28

this is a mistake IMO. His rookie year was the exception to the rule. Last year was his norm. He is 28? By now, you know who a goalie is by this age. Very rarely does a goalie suddenly develop around 30.

Can we win a Cup with a rookie like Lehner ?
- philco28

Hawks did with Niemi.

He does. Don't much about Lehner other that he's big and has a good AHL record. I'm willing to roll the dice with Craw at least one more time.
- philco28

Yeah and he was great in the OHL as well, all after he was already a nice prospect from Sweden that got him picked mid 2nd round in the NHL draft. He's one of the best goaltender prospects in the world. You aren't going to get him for Nick Leddy.

I personally don't want to roll the dice with Crawford again. To each his own.

Can we win a Cup with a rookie like Lehner ?
- philco28

You don't subscribe to the theory that you must have experience in net to win a Cup, do you?

I can think of many untested young players who have either won a Cup or been highly successful in the playoffs.

We know what we have in Crawford - someone that you can't win a Cup with.

It's probably just some administrative necessity somehow linked to the number of contracts. I'm just spitballing here, but if a deal were made I'm not sure why Hutton would need to be waived. I know there are tonnes of possibilities for this, but it doesn't make sense.
- DarthKane

My latest info., albeit sketchy, is it is just that.

My understanding is OTT wanted more than Leddy, thus the deal died. Would not surprise me at all if the deal has not been revisited. Both teams have obvious needs.
- John Jaeckel

Jesus, if thats the case, just throw a 2nd rd pick or Morin in there

My latest info., albeit sketchy, is it is just that.
- John Jaeckel

And this is what I was thinking. There'd be zero reason why Carter Hutton would have to be waived if you made a trade for another goalie.

look out Stan Blowman fluff articles in full force. (ESPN)

dude is a clueless hack.

Can we win a Cup with a rookie like Lehner ?
- philco28

or Leddy?

i want zack smith and robin lehner

get it dont Bowman.

what do you think it would take?

Jesus, if thats the case, just throw a 2nd rd pick or Morin in there
- FourFeathers773

The Hawks would have to give up quite a bit more than Nick Leddy to get Robin Lehner BTW.

this is a mistake IMO. His rookie year was the exception to the rule. Last year was his norm. He is 28? By now, you know who a goalie is by this age. Very rarely does a goalie suddenly develop around 30.
- furso27

Some good points, but my answer to this goes back to my post on page 1 of this thread.

or Leddy?
- wolverine19

Only as a pp qb or 5-6 d-man...not as a top 4

Hawks did with Niemi.
- furso27

True and as i've stated a thousand times prior...i wished the Antidote was still with us.

i want zack smith and robin lehner

get it dont Bowman.

what do you think it would take?
- Dojodan

Chi:Smith and Lehner
Ott: Kruger, Leddy, Lalonde

The Hawks would have to give up quite a bit more than Nick Leddy to get Robin Lehner BTW.
- CaptainBlackhawk

that suggestion was on top of offering leddy

leddy + morin
or leddy + 2nd rd pick

Yeah and he was great in the OHL as well, all after he was already a nice prospect from Sweden that got him picked mid 2nd round in the NHL draft. He's one of the best goaltender prospects in the world. You aren't going to get him for Nick Leddy.

I personally don't want to roll the dice with Crawford again. To each his own.
- RustNPeace

Yep, don't blame you at all. I'm sure Lehner is a blue chipper and could be the answer too. It's out of all our hands really. That's why i don't play the hot stove game. No amount of conjecture or wishful thinking on my part is going to make our GM do things i wish he would.

Only as a pp qb or 5-6 d-man...not as a top 4
- philco28

he's been no pp stud in the AHL... how will he be PP stud in the NHL?

that suggestion was on top of offering leddy

leddy + morin
or leddy + 2nd rd pick
- FourFeathers773

Might not be enough still.

I'd offer Leddy + 2013 1st round pick + any (1) of our prospects not named Saad, TT or Danault.

Might not be enough still.

I'd offer Leddy + 2013 1st round pick + any (1) of our prospects not named Saad, TT or Danault.
- RustNPeace

And Stan Bo would shart his boxers and watch Crawford blow big playoff games again and then tell us all "the prospects are almost here!" in his post season presser.

And then the season ticket waiting list would grow...

And Stan Bo would shart his boxers and watch Crawford blow big playoff games again and then tell us all "the prospects are almost here!" in his post season presser.

And then the season ticket waiting list would grow...
- CaptainBlackhawk

Another 1st round exit or less and this statement will be tested, greatly.

he's been no pp stud in the AHL... how will he be PP stud in the NHL?
- wolverine19

Dunno, ask Savvyone

Another 1st round exit or less and this statement will be tested, greatly.
- furso27

You had a lockout that almost threatened ANOTHER complete send of a season and it grew.

Today's waivers per Elliot Friedman:

BUF: Mark Mancari
CGY: Akim Aliu, Krys Kolanos, Joe Piskula, Ben Walter
CHI: Carter Hutton
FLA: Andre Deveaux, J.F. Jacques
MIN: Drew Bagnall, Brian Connelly, Chay Genoway, Carson McMillan, Jarod Palmer
NYR: Sean Collins, Michael Haley, Chad Kolarik, Kris Newbury, Logan Pyett, Brandon Segal, Mike Vernace, Tommy Grant
STL: Adam Cracknell, Scott Ford, TJ Hensick, Andrew Murray, Anthony Peluso, Brett Sonne, Mike McKenna
SJ: Brandon Mashinter, Jon Matsumoto

Thought Mashinster was a beast. NHL and AHL numbers leave a lot to be seired though. Looking around it looks like Hutton has to clear wavers to play in the AHL. I would think that if it was the regular season he would have had to clear in September. If I remember right,Hawksput him on waivers when they first got him to assign him to the AHL