Those aren't core players. They suck.

Trade them to the Leafs for a 2nd rounder.
- jbold

Go back to the nucks thread lol

Go back to the nucks thread lol
- Dozzer

kings missed on Hickey though, 4th overall in 2007,ouch.

Yes that team would contend I don't dispute that but I'm sick & tired of the Leafs selling the farm to have a 2 year playoff window only to be followed by 10 years of mediocrity. I wanna be like a Detroit, like a Philadelphia, like a Boston, like a Vancouver where we are a regular contender every season . Much like we were under Pat Quinn from 1999 to 2004. Where year after year we never had a doubt the Leafs would make the playoffs every year.
- GCHonda

To be fair, of those teams you mentioned only Detroit has really been a contender every season for a long time. Really Detroit's the only team in the league that has been a contender consistently for a long time without bottoming out.

I agree,, but add some vets and a good goalie
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It's too soon for the leafs. remember, the Kessel deal set us back 2 years easily.

To be fair, of those teams you mentioned only Detroit has really been a contender every season for a long time. Really Detroit's the only team in the league that has been a contender consistently for a long time without bottoming out.
- Zezel

Its hard to keep cup winning teams together, especially since there is a cap system in place. Most of those teams had to make major roster changes not long after winning cups.

kings missed on Hickey though, 4th overall in 2007,ouch.
- wingz4life

It happens. This is precisely why it takes a few years, not just a couple.

It's too soon for the leafs. remember, the Kessel deal set us back 2 years easily.
- Dozzer

Seguin and Hamilton are overrated. Busts.

Trade them to the Leafs for Connolly and Komisarek.

So.. If the Leafs win the cup (and the wont cuz they suck) you wouldn't say Kessel Phaneuf Gardiner Grabo and Lupul weren't key pieces to their success? Doesn't matter how you acquire good players.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Of course any Leaf success this season of course Kess, Dion, Grabbo, Gard, Grabo & Loop will have to be a HUGE part of it. However in order to win a Stanley Cup u need everything has to be working for the team. Good drafting, good talent, good developing, good trades, good UFA signings. A team needs to excel in all these areas to win the cup. Lacking in anyone of those areas, a team will usually wind up short on winning the cup.

What?!?

I guess kopitar Bernier and doughty don't count huh?

You need to have your own developed core first, that's when you make moves to augment the roster.
- Dozzer

Kopitar Bernier Doughty = Kessel Reimer Gardiner.... well almost...

Get the key guys first, and make sure they are ready.

Then add what you need to fill holes.
- systemtool

Exactly. Once you got a core you know you can count on moving forward you can start moving picks/prospects to augment their talents.

But not until then.

wings 2008
- wingz4life

Yup closest team that I can see that developed the majority of their own players

Yup closest team that I can see that developed the majority of their own players
- faceto27

the closest? they majority of that team was.

Kopitar Bernier Doughty = Kessel Reimer Gardiner.... well almost...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

No offense but almost is even a bit of a stretch here

I want to see the leafs win as bad as anyone.. Believe me, but we've suffered this long, see it through til the end.

Seguin and Hamilton are overrated. Busts.

Trade them to the Leafs for Connolly and Komisarek.
- jbold

I'll feel better when I hear Bruin fans say this.

Again, they drafted the core in Perry and Getzlaf for example and then added other vital pieces.
- systemtool

Perry and getzlaf are great

The core was neidmayer and pronger and Giggy

the closest? they majority of that team was.
- wingz4life

He's only picking the points that he can build an argument against. Not once has he addressed the fact that your core group is only 3-5 players

Perry and getzlaf are great

The core was neidmayer and prober and Giggy
- faceto27

How convenient

Its hard to keep cup winning teams togeth70s er, especially since there is a cap system in place. Most of those teams had to make major roster changes not long after winning cups.
- systemtool

Well, Vancouver and Philly haven't been Cup-winning teams, but yeah I get your point. Staying consistently solid is pretty tough. Detroit's run over the last twenty years is in my opinion the greatest organizational run in all team sports. If I recall correctly the Blues went a couple of decades never missing the playoffs, even though they never won the Cup, that's pretty impressive. Then again it was pretty easy to make the playoffs in the 70s and 80s.

The downside with Detroit's approach is the pact with Satan that's required, where he destroys your city.

Perry and getzlaf are great

The core was neidmayer and prober and Giggy
- faceto27

Hence them sucking without them.

Well, Vancouver and Philly haven't been Cup-winning teams, but yeah I get your point. Staying consistently solid is pretty tough. Detroit's run over the last twenty years is in my opinion the greatest organizational run in all team sports. If I recall correctly the Blues went a couple of decades never missing the playoffs, even though they never won the Cup, that's pretty impressive. Then again it was pretty easy to make the playoffs in the 70s and 80s.

The downside with Detroit's approach is the pact with Satan that's required, where he destroys your city.
- Zezel

Yup closest team that I can see that developed the majority of their own players
- faceto27

Detroit is the nest NHL drafting of all time. Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyk. They were all drafted past the 3rd round.

the closest? they majority of that team was.
- wingz4life

That's what I said

In the end, we need a first line centerman and a goaltender. End of story.

No offense but almost is even a bit of a stretch here

I want to see the leafs win as bad as anyone.. Believe me, but we've suffered this long, see it through til the end.
- Dozzer

So in Nonis and the hockey Gods you trust eh?

Well, Vancouver and Philly haven't been Cup-winning teams, but yeah I get your point. Staying consistently solid is pretty tough. Detroit's run over the last twenty years is in my opinion the greatest organizational run in all team sports. If I recall correctly the Blues went a couple of decades never missing the playoffs, even though they never won the Cup, that's pretty impressive. Then again it was pretty easy to make the playoffs in the 70s and 80s.

The downside with Detroit's approach is the pact with Satan that's required, where he destroys your city.
- Zezel

I vehemently disagree. Manchester United have 12 league titles in the past 20 years. Before that, their previous was 1967