what struck you as overrated?

I see youre a Tarantino fan so you must have a valid reason.
- sanfordnson

I am, I dont mind him is older films. I have yet to see his new one, but I hear its pretty darn good.

I like inglorious, dont get me wrong....it wasn't as great as it was hyped up to be.
So maybe not overrated....maybe just overhyped.

Colborne has 9 point in 5 games in Jan.

Dont trade that stud

He's not a top 6 forward as some would like to think.
He's not capable of being a 20 goal scorer.
He's a hard worker, great, but basically a John Mitchell 2.0
He's been guarded by Leaf fans as if he can't be thrown into a trade, way to valuable, when I'm not so sure what he has done...He's 25 years old, not impressive.
- ThePresident

If he scored at the pace he did last year, that would be 12 goals over a full season. And that was just his rookie season. I don’t think 20 goals is out fo the question at all. I don’t think he’ll get much more than that, ever, but I think that’s a pretty reasonable expectation for him, over the next couple of years. Couple that with a bit of muscle and sandpaper that he provides, and I’m more than okay with that. Hell, if he can pot 15 on the third line, doing what he does, I’m great with that, in fact.

Just the beginning with JVR...better cover him in bubble wrap before it's too late.

Enjoy.

If you're saying you rather have Lombardi in the lineup over Frattin, you might be the only one in Leaf threads that thinks that way, Frattin is a solid player, fights for the puck game in and game out.
- LeafMan

Frattin easily offers more to the team than Lombardi does, at this point.

Just the beginning with JVR...better cover him in bubble wrap before it's too late.

Enjoy.
- keatondixon

Meh. Better make the rink 10 or 15 feet thinner with Schenn, or the lanes are too big for him to cover.

If he scored at the pace he did last year, that would be 12 goals over a full season. And that was just his rookie season. I don’t think 20 goals is out fo the question at all. I don’t think he’ll get much more than that, ever, but I think that’s a pretty reasonable expectation for him, over the next couple of years. Couple that with a bit of muscle and sandpaper that he provides, and I’m more than okay with that. Hell, if he can pot 15 on the third line, doing what he does, I’m great with that, in fact.
- prock

That's great if he can do that on the third line, but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward, nor should he be classified as one. I see him being capable of scoring 15 goals, and maybe 15 helpers, but that's all he'll ever be. He should be used as trade bait, I'd throw him in on a Luongo trade, I remember it was rumored that the Kings wanted him for Bernier, Toronto fans balked as if he were untouchable. He's just not that good, easily a player anyone can find in free agency. Take a look at John Mitchells stats when he was showing so much promise, its basically going to be the same story, same stats.

I say they give him a shot to stay with the big club.

Sink or swim. I think a lot of these young guys can sometimes get fatigued playing in the A for so long...at some point, you have to see what you've got in them.
- Pen15

He can barely play well in the A.....trade him if the right opportunity comes

If he scored at the pace he did last year, that would be 12 goals over a full season. And that was just his rookie season. I don’t think 20 goals is out fo the question at all. I don’t think he’ll get much more than that, ever, but I think that’s a pretty reasonable expectation for him, over the next couple of years. Couple that with a bit of muscle and sandpaper that he provides, and I’m more than okay with that. Hell, if he can pot 15 on the third line, doing what he does, I’m great with that, in fact.
- prock

Agree, I'll be more comfortable after a nice 48 game look at him this year. Getting a dozen goals from a 3rd liner who gets few if any PP mins is all you can ask for. If he gets 2nd line minutes and PP time then I want to see 20+ from him. I like his effort and skating so I'm hopeful he can be at least a good 3rd line guy.

It'd be interesting to see how many checking line guys score 20 goals getting 15 minutes per night and no PP time. I think the answer is 0 - so these 20 goal expectations are ridiculous - atleast in his current role.

It was in Elliote Freidmans 30 thoughts.



TSN 1260 also reporting Winnipeg has called the Leafs about JVR......
- jbold

Just looked it up - it was merely speculation. No basis to it:

12. Wonder if Phoenix is sniffing around Toronto's Matthew Lombardi. He skated there during the lockout and apparently has good chemistry with some of the Coyotes. Maybe there's a fit. Probably wouldn't cost a ton and might be a good change for everyone.

Frattin is setting everyone up for disappointment, when I see Frattin, I see Pogge, Earl, John Mitchell, Kondratriev, Stralman, the list goes on. All guys hyped up, seen as better than they really are only by Leaf fans, only to eventually realize they suck.
- ThePresident

Ya Frattin will be a decent 3rd liner...nothing more....for now.

Frattin easily offers more to the team than Lombardi does, at this point.
- prock

Wasn't comparing the two, but Lombardi actually brings more to the team once back to his complete game. Like I said, great 2 way play, great speed, great penalty kill skills, great versatility, great faceoff ability. For Lombardi, a bad season would be considered 40 points, for Frattin, a great season would be considered 40 points.

Just the beginning with JVR...better cover him in bubble wrap before it's too late.

Enjoy.
- keatondixon

Will do.

Tell Crosby to keep his head up!

Cheers.

That's great if he can do that on the third line, but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward, nor should he be classified as one. I see him being capable of scoring 15 goals, and maybe 15 helpers, but that's all he'll ever be. He should be used as trade bait, I'd throw him in on a Luongo trade, I remember he it was rumored that the Kings wanted him for Bernier, Toronto fans balked as if he were untouchable. He's just not that good, easily a player anyone can find in free agency. Take a look at John Mitchells stats when he was showing so much promise, its basically going to be the same story, same stats.
- ThePresident

And what exactly has Bernier done to make that such a good trade for you?

That's great if he can do that on the third line, but I don't ever see him being a top 6 forward, nor should he be classified as one. I see him being capable of scoring 15 goals, and maybe 15 helpers, but that's all he'll ever be. He should be used as trade bait, I'd throw him in on a Luongo trade, I remember it was rumored that the Kings wanted him for Bernier, Toronto fans balked as if he were untouchable. He's just not that good, easily a player anyone can find in free agency. Take a look at John Mitchells stats when he was showing so much promise, its basically going to be the same story, same stats.
- ThePresident

I think you’re almost assuredly wrong on that. I won’t claim he’s going to be a superstar, but rookie season, extremely limited ice, he got 8 goals. If he were getting closer to 20 minutes of ice like a top 6, over a full season, I’d say 20 goals is pretty realistic. Hell, if you prorate his production with the ice time he got, to a top 6 guy, you’d get pretty close to that now.

Have you watched any Marlies games? You’re so far off base comparing him to John Mitchell. If you’ve seen the goals he can score, he has NHL ability to put the puck in the net.

Wasn't comparing the two, but Lombardi actually brings more to the team once back to his complete game. Like I said, great 2 way play, great speed, great penalty kill skills, great versatility, great faceoff ability. For Lombardi, a bad season would be considered 40 points, for Frattin, a great season would be considered 40 points.
- ThePresident

You know how many 40 point season Lombardi has had? 2, know what his average point total is? around 28.

Wasn't comparing the two, but Lombardi actually brings more to the team once back to his complete game. Like I said, great 2 way play, great speed, great penalty kill skills, great versatility, great faceoff ability. For Lombardi, a bad season would be considered 40 points, for Frattin, a great season would be considered 40 points.
- ThePresident

So his career consists of 7 bad seasons and 2 good ones?

And what exactly has Bernier done to make that such a good trade for you?
- markmark

I'd say he has much more potential than a 25 year old overrated 15 goal tops scorer. If you cannot see that a Frattin for Bernier trade would highly favor the Leafs, then you have Leaf goggles on.

I think you’re almost assuredly wrong on that. I won’t claim he’s going to be a superstar, but rookie season, extremely limited ice, he got 8 goals. If he were getting closer to 20 minutes of ice like a top 6, over a full season, I’d say 20 goals is pretty realistic. Hell, if you prorate his production with the ice time he got, to a top 6 guy, you’d get pretty close to that now.

Have you watched any Marlies games? You’re so far off base comparing him to John Mitchell. If you’ve seen the goals he can score, he has NHL ability to put the puck in the net.
- prock

He's 25 years old, playing against younger unskilled guys, it's not that impressive.

So his career consists of 7 bad seasons and 2 good ones?
- Atomic Wedgie

....assumed you'd be the one to retort with that little fact.

He's 25 years old, playing against younger unskilled guys, it's not that impressive.
- ThePresident

But Kardi is awesome..I am missing it..

So his career consists of 7 bad seasons and 2 good ones?
- Atomic Wedgie

Going forward, if Lombardi, once he regains his form, has less than a 40 point season, it will be a disappointment given what he has shown he can already do in the past.

But Kardi is awesome..I am missing it..
- bixll

wait I thought they were talking about Frattin.. now im confused.

Whos on first?

Going forward, if Lombardi, once he regains his form, has less than a 40 point season, it will be a disappointment given what he has shown he can already do in the past.
- ThePresident

assuming he can get back to where he once was, not certain if that can happen. It would be a dissappointment if he was a Leaf come trade deadline.

wait I thought they were talking about Frattin.. now im confused.

Whos on first?
- senstroll

He was but I threw that in there, because he is a Kadri fan also.