And Q doesn't seem to understand that it doesn't matter who he wants on the roster, it's his job to adjust the team's style to play to the strengths of the roster that he does have.

He doesn't seem to get that Keith sucks on the PP, and would be better served getting some much needed rest when the Hawks have the man advantage.

He doesn't seem to get that changing the lines every 3rd shift is not conducive to building chemistry/confidence from game to game.

He doesn't seem to get that Sharp is god aweful in the shootout and should never be a top 3 pick for that idiotic, gimmicky ending of a game.

He doesn't seem to get that having perennial loser, "yes men" as assistants instead of free thinking, intelligent coaches, who may sometimes (gasp) provide opposing views can be detrimental to the good of the team.

I could go on, but I've grown tired of arguing over this yahoo.
- Ogilthorpe2

>Certainly looks like Scotty Bowman is starting to agree with all of us that are not Q-fans
>Check out some of his recent tweats on: not being able to play a short bench with the 48-game schedule AND "We used to actually practice line changes based on where the puck was on the ice."
>http://twitter.com/coachwsb
>Hmmm. Could it be the last year behind the Hawks bench for the "Lovie Smith of the NHL?"

So here we go, our board is full blown gyna-hysterics a half day in.

First, I am all for improving your team, but running a hockey team is not like playing poker, that is shuffling the deck and dealing new hands one after the other. You don't just make a move to make a move.

Second, JJ said it best here earlier in thread, that is the other 29 teams are not out there to feed us players at our whim. To be blunt, much of the bantor and wishful thinking here is so assonine it is not even worth commenting on. I am waiting to hear the pirri for getzlaff stuff. 90% of the league is looking for that elusive elite 2nd line center.

Third, no doubt they want to add a goalie. JJ has confirmed the conversations.

Anyways, as I said a million times last year, our roster is top 5 talent wise in the league. All the female doging and complaining like a bunch of entitled whiners. Most of the league would love our team to root for. We were 2 wins from winning division. Keep in mind 8th seed Kings won cup. The league is full of parity. Deal with it.

I like those 4 lines, they are deep and talented and balanced. How much fun will that be. Get Leddy on PP, gets some depth defense minutes from Rosival and off we go.

Everyone take a pill a bit..jeez...
- TrueGrit

+1

And Q doesn't seem to understand that it doesn't matter who he wants on the roster, it's his job to adjust the team's style to play to the strengths of the roster that he does have.

He doesn't seem to get that Keith sucks on the PP, and would be better served getting some much needed rest when the Hawks have the man advantage.

He doesn't seem to get that changing the lines every 3rd shift is not conducive to building chemistry/confidence from game to game.

He doesn't seem to get that Sharp is god aweful in the shootout and should never be a top 3 pick for that idiotic, gimmicky ending of a game.

He doesn't seem to get that having perennial loser, "yes men" as assistants instead of free thinking, intelligent coaches, who may sometimes (gasp) provide opposing views can be detrimental to the good of the team.

I could go on, but I've grown tired of arguing over this yahoo.
- Ogilthorpe2

Among active coaches

Most wins, most playoff wins, tied for most Stanley Cups

Guy is an enigma at times but you really cant argue with his record. Both among active coaches and all time coaches. Pretty impressive resume.

>Certainly looks like Scotty Bowman is starting to agree with all of us that are not Q-fans
>Check out some of his recent tweats on: not being able to play a short bench with the 48-game schedule AND "We used to actually practice line changes based on where the puck was on the ice."
>http://twitter.com/coachwsb
>Hmmm. Could it be the last year behind the Hawks bench for the "Lovie Smith of the NHL?"
- SnapitUpstairs

Q shows emotion, has won a Cup and has been in the playoffs every single year he has coached with the exception of 2.

Absolutely nothing like Lovie. I was under the impression that it was the Bowmans who originally wanted him in there.

Among active coaches

Most wins, most playoff wins, tied for most Stanley Cups

Guy is an enigma at times but you really cant argue with his record. Both among active coaches and all time coaches. Pretty impressive resume.
- fattybeef

All good things come to an end. It doesn't really matter what good things he's done in the past, it only matters what he does moving forward. The last two years don't instill much confidence.

Q shows emotion, has won a Cup and has been in the playoffs every single year he has coached with the exception of 2.

Absolutely nothing like Lovie. I was under the impression that it was the Bowmans who originally wanted him in there.
- fattybeef

>Very stubborn -- just like Lovie
>Won't change his schemes to fit his personnel -- just like Lovie
>Hires his buddies as assistants -- just like Lovie
>Scotty Bowman won the Stanley Cup -- not Q -- with the line changes he came up with on the plane ride back to Chicago after the Flyers tied the series 2-2
>Q runs a good practice -- I'll give him that
>We'll definitely see how "good" Q is this year

Normally, I would agree with you, but what has Bowman done to improve the current on-ice Hawks in 3+ years? There is no one in the front office here that can evaluate current NHL talent, where Tallon and Dudley excelled.
- hawks2010

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world, you always look for that great deal, but in reality, point to me 5 deals in last few years that really launched a team. The fact is there are hardly big name deals, and they only happen when there is a character issue with a guy (Richards, Carter, etc..)

Like JJ said, I am not a Bowman apologist. In the real world Sports is a what have you done for me lately regardless of excuses. It is results. Many people are sitting here as if they are looking over a sheet of paper of Deals that Bowman nixed, when in reality, most of those deals were never real. I do understand the frustration and I am sure a few deals could have been made.

Are you all familiar with Toronto and moreso Calgary. Here are teams on the bubble, who coulda/shoulda blown themselves up years ago, but have not sniffed playoffs...and yet they do no fire sale at deadlines, they are actually buyers all the time. The fact is with all the parity, there are minimal sellers. That is just real.

[quote=Hemingways
I don't have any major problems with Q. He has to play the crappy roster Bowman gives him.

Nominated for comment of the day. 25 other coaches would give their left nut to coach the talent this team has. Let me help you understand something in reality. Coaches have philosophies, things that define them and their style. But all coaches, like any manager, has as his objective taking the resources he is given and getting results. That is what a coach dreams about. His ability to be the difference or make a difference in pushing the right buttons. If there ever was a bipolar button pushing micro manager it is Q.

Crappy roster..are you effing kidding me.

When Bowman gives him ZERO physical dmen (other than Seabs), I understand that move. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

It seems like we have Seabrook and then 87 of the exact same player on defense (undersized, non physical guys who can move the puck but don't score and have weak/innacurate slapshots) - Keith/Oduya/Leddy/Hammer/Roszival.

They need to move Leddy in some kind of deal for a more physical, preferably RH shot Dman who can play on the 2nd pairing. If they had another guy like that, you pair him up with either Hammer or Oduya and the other plays with Roszival, who occasionally is rested by Brookbank. That's not so bad. But having no Dmen who check other than Seabs (and Brookbank to an extent, but we'll see how much he actually plays), that's not acceptable. Same with all of our forwards.

Bowman doesn't seem to understand how to construct a roster.
- Hemingways

You could have six Pronger clones and Q would turn them into a group of stick checking, passive players.

Take last year's team and add a top ten PP (which should be a given with this team's talent) and a top half PK (Stop being so passive, clear the crease, etc) and how far could it have gone?

I'm not thrilled with Stan, but I think Q is a larger issue at the moment.

And Q doesn't seem to understand that it doesn't matter who he wants on the roster, it's his job to adjust the team's style to play to the strengths of the roster that he does have.

He doesn't seem to get that Keith sucks on the PP, and would be better served getting some much needed rest when the Hawks have the man advantage.

He doesn't seem to get that changing the lines every 3rd shift is not conducive to building chemistry/confidence from game to game.

He doesn't seem to get that Sharp is god aweful in the shootout and should never be a top 3 pick for that idiotic, gimmicky ending of a game.

He doesn't seem to get that having perennial loser, "yes men" as assistants instead of free thinking, intelligent coaches, who may sometimes (gasp) provide opposing views can be detrimental to the good of the team.

I could go on, but I've grown tired of arguing over this yahoo.
- Ogilthorpe2

+10 Counselor you can rest your case

All good things come to an end. It doesn't really matter what good things he's done in the past, it only matters what he does moving forward. The last two years don't instill much confidence.
- Ogilthorpe2

Exactly, how come nobody runs the 46 defense anymore in the NFL? Oh yeah, because people figured out how to beat it..like Lovies cover 2, like Q's play 8 guys the whole game and wait for someone to get a 2 man advantage so Eddie O and Pat can tell us that this is the game. Anyways, Q is trying to coach these guys like they are still 19 years old and that was 4 years ago.

Nominated for comment of the day. 25 other coaches would give their left nut to coach the talent this team has. Let me help you understand something in reality. Coaches have philosophies, things that define them and their style. But all coaches, like any manager, has as his objective taking the resources he is given and getting results. That is what a coach dreams about. His ability to be the difference or make a difference in pushing the right buttons. If there ever was a bipolar button pushing micro manager it is Q.

Crappy roster..are you effing kidding me.
- TrueGrit

To be fair... The guys on the roster that Bowman has provided have been crap. Olesz, Monty, SOD, Lepisto, Scott, Brunette, Pisani, Frolik, and the list goes on. It was Tallon that provided the talent.

FYI - @DarrenDreger_

#Breaking: #Canucks trade Roberto Luongo to #Leafs in exchange for Tyler Bozak and a 1st. Confirmed.


Loungo saga is over.
- TyCamScore

Could you imagine that? We get a center and the 1 st overall next year , it would be like Burkie never really got fired

Could you imagine that? We get a center and the 1 st overall next year , it would be like Burkie never really got fired
- VANTEL

Yeah, that trade will happen...the day before the earth crashes into the sun.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world, you always look for that great deal, but in reality, point to me 5 deals in last few years that really launched a team. The fact is there are hardly big name deals, and they only happen when there is a character issue with a guy (Richards, Carter, etc..)

Like JJ said, I am not a Bowman apologist. In the real world Sports is a what have you done for me lately regardless of excuses. It is results. Many people are sitting here as if they are looking over a sheet of paper of Deals that Bowman nixed, when in reality, most of those deals were never real. I do understand the frustration and I am sure a few deals could have been made.

Are you all familiar with Toronto and moreso Calgary. Here are teams on the bubble, who coulda/shoulda blown themselves up years ago, but have not sniffed playoffs...and yet they do no fire sale at deadlines, they are actually buyers all the time. The fact is with all the parity, there are minimal sellers. That is just real.
- TrueGrit

Waiting to the deadline to trade is becoming a fools game...

You could have six Pronger clones and Q would turn them into a group of stick checking, passive players.

Take last year's team and add a top ten PP (which should be a given with this team's talent) and a top half PK (Stop being so passive, clear the crease, etc) and how far could it have gone?

I'm not thrilled with Stan, but I think Q is a larger issue at the moment.
- NewToHockey

Bowman's cowardice in making trades and inability to sign the right talent in free agency is the biggest issue.

To be fair... The guys on the roster that Bowman has provided have been crap. Olesz, Monty, SOD, Lepisto, Scott, Brunette, Pisani, Frolik, and the list goes on. It was Tallon that provided the talent.
- moylander

It does not matter who was provided or if it were you and I who provided the guys. The point is how they are used. That is the criticism. Could you or I have coached the Oilers in the 80s or the 1927 yankees to championships....or the Jordan Bulls? What I and others are pointing out, is that Q does not seem to nurture and develop any players. You are either his guy or not...yeah yeah I know these guys are professional, but that does not help a locker room.

As much as we like to romanticize the Cup team, Players like Ladd, Buff, Campbell and Brouer were all Richarded around with. That is a fact. So the lets keep that in mind when evaluating Q's management of players.

>Certainly looks like Scotty Bowman is starting to agree with all of us that are not Q-fans
>Check out some of his recent tweats on: not being able to play a short bench with the 48-game schedule AND "We used to actually practice line changes based on where the puck was on the ice."
>http://twitter.com/coachwsb
>Hmmm. Could it be the last year behind the Hawks bench for the "Lovie Smith of the NHL?"
- SnapitUpstairs

Looks like the fat reptile is providing cover for his bean counting son should the wheels fall off this season.
#as s h o o o o o le

In case anyone cares....Brookbank's wearing 17 and Rozsival 32

Exactly, how come nobody runs the 46 defense anymore in the NFL? Oh yeah, because people figured out how to beat it..like Lovies cover 2, like Q's play 8 guys the whole game and wait for someone to get a 2 man advantage so Eddie O and Pat can tell us that this is the game. Anyways, Q is trying to coach these guys like they are still 19 years old and that was 4 years ago.
- TrueGrit

Pretty sure the Bears defense was not the problem. Having an incompetent offense and awful play calling is what has killed the Bears.

Anyone will wear down a defense eventually if the offense cant sustain a drive. 5th best overall defense and 3rd best in terms of points allowed. Awesome argument.

You do realize teams like NYR ride their best players the exact same way? The Wings have a pretty big disparity between their best players and the other guys. Pittsburgh has a similar disparity. When the role players aren't executing and points are needed there isn't much other choice...

Pretty sure the Bears defense was not the problem. Having an incompetent offense and awful play calling is what has killed the Bears.

Anyone will wear down a defense eventually if the offense cant sustain a drive. 5th best overall defense and 3rd best in terms of points allowed. Awesome argument.

You do realize teams like NYR ride their best players the exact same way? The Wings have a pretty big disparity between their best players and the other guys. Pittsburgh has a similar disparity. When the role players aren't executing and points are needed there isn't much other choice...
- fattybeef

The Cover Who blows and so does Mummy Smith.

You could have six Pronger clones and Q would turn them into a group of stick checking, passive players.

Take last year's team and add a top ten PP (which should be a given with this team's talent) and a top half PK (Stop being so passive, clear the crease, etc) and how far could it have gone?

I'm not thrilled with Stan, but I think Q is a larger issue at the moment.
- NewToHockey

Rocky stated from the start that they would be a fast team and exciting to watch. After the other lockout with the way the referees were calling the game having stick checking players who took away space in stead of interfering with players is advantageous.

If the game is called tight from the star the Hawks will have a ridiculous advantage by having mobile defenders who block a lot of shots.

All good things come to an end. It doesn't really matter what good things he's done in the past, it only matters what he does moving forward. The last two years don't instill much confidence.
- Ogilthorpe2

Again, how many teams make the playoffs every year let alone still have a chance of advancing with big pieces being injured. That massive winning streak with Toews out had nothing to do with quality coaching? Wow.

Toews AND Hossa this past year. Bolland, Toews and Keith the year before.

Some of you people have absolutely ridiculous expectations. With how tight the NHL is, getting into the playoffs and putting your players in a position to succeed is all that matters.

I would argue that both against Vancouver (see Sharp missing open cage) and Phoenix (plenty of chances to put them away and the Hawks just flat out couldn't finish... Not even taking Crawfords play in they should have done better... And plenty of adjustments were made during that series...

I don't understand how you can pin that on the coach...

LOL, I love when bloggers like you pretend to have sources and be insiders.
- woopstash

I love it when readers like you show how low your self-esteem is. Actually, no. It's kinda sad that you feel you have to be like that.

Pretty sure the Bears defense was not the problem. Having an incompetent offense and awful play calling is what has killed the Bears.

Anyone will wear down a defense eventually if the offense cant sustain a drive. 5th best overall defense and 3rd best in terms of points allowed. Awesome argument.

You do realize teams like NYR ride their best players the exact same way? The Wings have a pretty big disparity between their best players and the other guys. Pittsburgh has a similar disparity. When the role players aren't executing and points are needed there isn't much other choice...
- fattybeef

No doubt Bears offense has big issues. However, you can go to cover2.com and pop warner teams can draw run 4 basic plays that march a team down the field. As dominating as defense was at times, it was horrible end of half and end of game. Because Cover 2 scheme leaves 17 yard in, 13 yard curl and 6 yard dump over the middle open all day long...not to mention slants.
The defense was horrible when it mattered most. Keep your stats.

So the role guys don't even get on the ice when it matters and you blame role players. Role players killed the PP and PK right? Who played on it? as you would say..nice argument. BTW Crosby and Malkin do not kill penalties. To say the role players aren't executing is like proving a negative, since they NEVER get a chance with Q.