This coming from a guy that thinks his goalies are the best in the nhl and all teams should trade away their best players for one them..

I know i know you also think your a cup contender now right.Just like you were last year..HAHAHAH
- ALeafsFan4Ever

We are a Cup contender, don't you follow the mainstream media? Detroit had 124 pts in 2006, lost in the first round, won the Cup two years later. But I guess they weren't Cup contenders hey?

Losing in the first round doesn't mean you're not a contender, specially when you went to the finals the year before. And no I'm not saying we are Detroit, I'm saying it happens.

After having some time to actually think about it, I actually doubt that Nonis is going to give up a solid young player or prospect for Luongo or any other veteran. He basically said so on Hockeycentral yesterday and I remember the Jokinen and Brad Richards rumors involving players who hadn't reached their potential yet(Schneider, Edler, Sedins) and he didn't pull the trigger even though the fan base really wanted him to.(Especially the Richards trade, I believe Edler and Schneider was the asking price at the time and he had big time pressure to make the playoffs and at least get past the first round that year).

Nonis also got Luongo the first time without giving up a top young asset.



Bottom line: There's no way we're getting Gardiner in this trade. But since Nonis might not be afraid to trade away a quality veteran on his roster, maybe MG can get someone better than Bozak.

This coming from a guy that thinks his goalies are the best in the nhl and all teams should trade away their best players for one them..

I know i know you also think your a cup contender now right.Just like you were last year..HAHAHAH
- ALeafsFan4Ever

Strange comment. The "cup contender" conversation usually includes a list of 5 (sometimes even 10) teams that people think have a shot at winning the cup. Vancouver was a cup contender last year, as they are this year. Just look at the Vegas or Bodawg lines.

We are a Cup contender, don't you follow the mainstream media? Detroit had 124 pts in 2006, lost in the first round, won the Cup two years later. But I guess they weren't Cup contenders hey?

Losing in the first round doesn't mean you're not a contender, specially when you went to the finals the year before. And no I'm not saying we are Detroit, I'm saying it happens.
- LeftCoaster

Exactly, I love how we're as old as Detroit according to everyone all of a sudden.

This team can still contend as long as the Sedins are elite, because our d-core are all still very much in their prime and same goes for Burrows/Kesler/Booth and even our role players like Higgins/Lappy/Hansen.

After having some time to actually think about it, I actually doubt that Nonis is going to give up a solid young player or prospect for Luongo or any other veteran. He basically said so on Hockeycentral yesterday and I remember the Jokinen and Brad Richards rumors involving players who hadn't reached their potential yet(Schneider, Edler, Sedins) and he didn't pull the trigger even though the fan base really wanted him to.(Especially the Richards trade, I believe Edler and Schneider was the asking price at the time and he had big time pressure to make the playoffs and at least get past the first round that year).

Nonis also got Luongo the first time without giving up a top young asset.



Bottom line: There's no way we're getting Gardiner in this trade. But since Nonis might not be afraid to trade away a quality veteran on his roster, maybe MG can get someone better than Bozak.
- Nucker101

From Toronto, there is no one better at pivot. Man they suck down the middle!

From Toronto, there is no one better at pivot. Man they suck down the middle!
- LeftCoaster

If they won't be able to re-sign Lupul, they might as well get an asset back for him. He would look pretty good with Kesler and Booth on the second line.


I doubt it though, Nonis probably won't budge off of some sort of package involving Bozak/Kadri/Franson/2nd/MaCarthur. Outside of maybe MaCarthur, none of those guys would improve our team much.

Nonis's nickname in Vancouver was No Nunts. He looked like a deer in headlights for most of his tenure. I'm sure you will point out the Luongo trade which had way more to do with Keenan's inabilty to sign Luongo to an extention and Keenan's hard-on for Bertuzzi. Nonis's motto is "stay the course." Don't expext any blockbuster moves. (Unless MLSE is really pulling the trigger)
- fiveandagame

Keenan was talking about that trade the day the lockout ended. Luongo was asking for money the new owners didnt want to spend. He said he had a Thornton for Luongo deal finalized and took it to the owners. They said they didnt like Thornton.

Next up was Bert. Nonis is a genius!

I wish they could work something out with the Islanders, they've got some younger guys we could use and a backup goaltender too.

I wish they could work something out with the Islanders, they've got some younger guys we could use and a backup goaltender too.
- LeftCoaster

They would be a great trading partner, but I don't think even Wang is stupid enough to take on Lu's contract along with Dipeitro's. He hasn't exactly been a big spender as an owner either.

If they won't be able to re-sign Lupul, they might as well get an asset back for him. He would look pretty good with Kesler and Booth on the second line.


I doubt it though, Nonis probably won't budge off of some sort of package involving Bozak/Kadri/Franson/2nd/MaCarthur. Outside of maybe MaCarthur, none of those guys would improve our team much.
- Nucker101

All of those guys represent little real upgrade value to the Canucks. Franson would be used as a depth defenseman (think #7/8). MaCarther might challenge Raymond for a spot on the 2nd line. Likely more of a 3rd liner.

As I said earlier, I much prefer dealing with PHI. Actually, I much prefer this whole thing be concluded.

All of those guys represent little real upgrade value to the Canucks. Franson would be used as a depth defenseman (think #7/8). MaCarther might challenge Raymond for a spot on the 2nd line. Likely more of a 3rd liner.

As I said earlier, I much prefer dealing with PHI. Actually, I much prefer this whole thing be concluded.
- AlexF

Completely agree, but Philly won't realistically be in play until this summer and that's only if Bryz disappoints again since there's no way they want both Lu and Bryz on their roster/payroll/cap. Only way it could happen this season is if Bryz is coming here and then Aquillini is willing to buyout that big contract this summer. Plus that burns up an amnesty buyout this season so Ballard wouldn't be able to be bought out.

Completely agree, but Philly won't realistically be in play until this summer and that's only if Bryz disappoints again since there's no way they want both Lu and Bryz on their roster/payroll/cap. Only way it could happen this season is if Bryz is coming here and then Aquillini is willing to buyout that big contract this summer. Plus that burns up an amnesty buyout this season so Ballard wouldn't be able to be bought out.
- Nucker101

You can do two in one summer, but then you're done. No way the Canucks buy out Bryz though, Flyers have way more money than we do.

Completely agree, but Philly won't realistically be in play until this summer and that's only if Bryz disappoints again since there's no way they want both Lu and Bryz on their roster/payroll/cap. Only way it could happen this season is if Bryz is coming here and then Aquillini is willing to buyout that big contract this summer. Plus that burns up an amnesty buyout this season so Ballard wouldn't be able to be bought out.
- Nucker101

I think it could actually happen this year. With Pronger out on LTIR they have the cap space to run a tandem with Luongo/Bryz (and maybe send Leighton to us in the trade as a backup to Schneider). Bryz can be bought out in the summer. Make no mistake, Ed Sneider wants the cup and is perfectly capable and willing to make such big moves.

You can do two in one summer, but then you're done. No way the Canucks buy out Bryz though, Flyers have way more money than we do.
- LeftCoaster

I wasn't aware of that. Still, there's no (frank)ing way Aquillini is buying out Bryz and Ballard.

I think it could actually happen this year. With Pronger out on LTIR they have the cap space to run a tandem with Luongo/Bryz (and maybe send Leighton to us in the trade as a backup to Schneider). Bryz can be bought out in the summer. Make no mistake, Ed Sneider wants the cup and is perfectly capable and willing to make such big moves.
- AlexF

I think it could actually happen this year. With Pronger out on LTIR they have the cap space to run a tandem with Luongo/Bryz (and maybe send Leighton to us in the trade as a backup to Schneider). Bryz can be bought out in the summer. Make no mistake, Ed Sneider wants the cup and is perfectly capable and willing to make such big moves.
- AlexF

I actually am not familiar with Philly's cap situation and just assumed that they have little to no cap space since they usually do. Yeah, from what I've heard Snider is absolutely loaded and is willing to spend to win. Plus Holmgren and Gillis have both pulled of surprising trades in a short period of time. Still a long shot it happen this season though.

I actually am not familiar with Philly's cap situation and just assumed that they have little to no cap space since they usually do. Yeah, from what I've heard Snider is absolutely loaded and is willing to spend to win. Plus Holmgren and Gillis have both pulled of surprising trades in a short period of time. Still a long shot it happen this season though.
- Nucker101

Bryz is owed $34.5 million over the next seven years. Buy out is at 2/3rd's I think? That would be around the 22 million dollar mark, sweet F all for Mr. Snider

Luongo & Schroeder for Brayden Schenn

Bryz is owed $34.5 million over the next seven years. Buy out is at 2/3rd's I think? That would be around the 22 million dollar mark, sweet F all for Mr. Snider

Luongo & Schroeder for Brayden Schenn
- LeftCoaster

I was actually tweeting with Adrian Dater on this topic a few days back. According to his "sources" PHI were in on Luongo "big time." He also believed 20m+ was completely doable for Sneider if it meant winning a Cup. Time will tell but I do know he is mainstream media. Let's put it this way I left with a sense of excitement.

I was actually tweeting with Adrian Dater on this topic a few days back. According to his "sources" PHI were in on Luongo "big time." He also believed 20m+ was completely doable for Sneider if it meant winning a Cup. Time will tell but I do know he is mainstream media. Let's put it this way I left with a sense of excitement.
- AlexF

They'd probably want Edler too, but we can swing that if we're getting a Dman back.

I was actually tweeting with Adrian Dater on this topic a few days back. According to his "sources" PHI were in on Luongo "big time." He also believed 20m+ was completely doable for Sneider if it meant winning a Cup. Time will tell but I do know he is mainstream media. Let's put it this way I left with a sense of excitement.
- AlexF

I just don't see it, what would Philly be willing to send us that isn't going to leave them thin up front? Not to mention their cap situation is precarious so we'd be taking some salary back. I don't see Holmgren giving up B. Schenn or Couturier unless Kesler comes back the other way which is a non-starter.

I just don't see it, what would Philly be willing to send us that isn't going to leave them thin up front? Not to mention their cap situation is precarious so we'd be taking some salary back. I don't see Holmgren giving up B. Schenn or Couturier unless Kesler comes back the other way which is a non-starter.
- DariusKnight

Why would they want Kesler and his 5 million cap hit when they have Giroux, Briere, Schenn and Couturier down the middle?

I just don't see it, what would Philly be willing to send us that isn't going to leave them thin up front? Not to mention their cap situation is precarious so we'd be taking some salary back. I don't see Holmgren giving up B. Schenn or Couturier unless Kesler comes back the other way which is a non-starter.
- DariusKnight

I'm not saying a deal is imminent but I'd have to disagree. Philly can afford to give up one of Schenn/Couturier/Read (all centers) without being left thin up front. They have the cap space to take in Luongo right now as long as Pronger remains on LTIR (very likely). Buyout can be exercised in the summer so no issue there. This deal can happen, in theory anyway.

You can do two in one summer, but then you're done. No way the Canucks buy out Bryz though, Flyers have way more money than we do.
- LeftCoaster

Make an agreement and trade for Bryz, then trade him back after the season, let the Flyers buy him out

After having some time to actually think about it, I actually doubt that Nonis is going to give up a solid young player or prospect for Luongo or any other veteran. He basically said so on Hockeycentral yesterday and I remember the Jokinen and Brad Richards rumors involving players who hadn't reached their potential yet(Schneider, Edler, Sedins) and he didn't pull the trigger even though the fan base really wanted him to.(Especially the Richards trade, I believe Edler and Schneider was the asking price at the time and he had big time pressure to make the playoffs and at least get past the first round that year).

Nonis also got Luongo the first time without giving up a top young asset.



Bottom line: There's no way we're getting Gardiner in this trade. But since Nonis might not be afraid to trade away a quality veteran on his roster, maybe MG can get someone better than Bozak.
- Nucker101

quality vetern roster player? Do tell? Other then Lupul, they can keep them. Mac, komi, Connolly, they can keep them.

I'm not saying a deal is imminent but I'd have to disagree. Philly can afford to give up one of Schenn/Couturier/Read (all centers) without being left thin up front. They have the cap space to take in Luongo right now as long as Pronger remains on LTIR (very likely). Buyout can be exercised in the summer so no issue there. This deal can happen, in theory anyway.
- AlexF

Lu and Edler for the Schenn boys