Nonis's nickname in Vancouver was No Nunts. He looked like a deer in headlights for most of his tenure. I'm sure you will point out the Luongo trade which had way more to do with Keenan's inabilty to sign Luongo to an extention and Keenan's hard-on for Bertuzzi. Nonis's motto is "stay the course." Don't expext any blockbuster moves. (Unless MLSE is really pulling the trigger)
- fiveandagame

And at this point I would rather him stay the course...obviously if signing Getz and Perry are options next summer, then you do it...but I don't want him to make any crazy moves.

Between Burke and Nonis, Vancouver acquired all the important pieces on that team.


Lets hope the next GM of the Leafs is better than Gillis(shouldn't be too hard).
- Feeling Glucky?

And yet we still haven't managed to win a Stanley Cup with this team. Perhaps another GM would have done much better. If Dale Tallon had been running things maybe we have two by now...?

And at this point I would rather him stay the course...obviously if signing Getz and Perry are options next summer, then you do it...but I don't want him to make any crazy moves.
- BoBBeR56

Just take a look at Nonis's free agent aqusitions while in Vancovuer and then tell me how optimistic you are about the possibility of Getzlaf and Perry.

Just take a look at Nonis's free agent aqusitions while in Vancovuer and then tell me how optimistic you are about the possibility of Getzlaf and Perry.
- fiveandagame

I don't know what the situation was like in Vancouver then...and you can't possibly think it is anywhere near the same in Toronto now.
Just because he did or didn't do something several years ago doesn't mean the exact thing is gonna happen now...neither you nor I know what is gonna happen...

And yet we still haven't managed to win a Stanley Cup with this team. Perhaps another GM would have done much better. If Dale Tallon had been running things maybe we have two by now...?
- 1970vintage

They built a foundation for a contender...its hardly their fault that Gillis has poop the bed filling in the pieces.

They built a foundation for a contender...its hardly their fault that Gillis has poop the bed filling in the pieces.
- BoBBeR56

Gillis got them to the finals, much better than anything BB or donuts did here.

I don't know what the situation was like in Vancouver then...and you can't possibly think it is anywhere near the same in Toronto now.
Just because he did or didn't do something several years ago doesn't mean the exact thing is gonna happen now...neither you nor I know what is gonna happen...
- BoBBeR56

I'm just saying, July 1 was always a bust. As was the trade deadline. For a team that was on the edge of making the playoffs every year and to sign such coverted free agents as Marc Chouinard and Jan Bulis and then pick up impact players at the TDL like Mika Noranan, Eric Weinrich and Keith Carney. Nonis also tossed out 2nd round picks like they had an infectious disease.

They built a foundation for a contender...its hardly their fault that Gillis has poop the bed filling in the pieces.
- BoBBeR56

riiiiiiiiiiiight. Burke and Nonis both passed on some pretty good players in their drafts. I'll give you Burke's manoeuvres to get the Sedins was masterful and if you look at that draft year there's not a lot of players that made as meaningful a contribution to any NHL team, but since then, not a lot they couldn't have done better.

Gillis got them to the finals, much better than anything BB or donuts did here.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Gillis inherited a contender that should be a winner...
When Burke and Nonis left, the pieces were in place to be a winning team within a few years and they are...Gillis shouldn't get the credit for what they built.

riiiiiiiiiiiight. Burke and Nonis both passed on some pretty good players in their drafts. I'll give you Burke's manoeuvres to get the Sedins was masterful and if you look at that draft year there's not a lot of players that made as meaningful a contribution to any NHL team, but since then, not a lot they couldn't have done better.
- 1970vintage

Who brought in all the key pieces to your Canucks team? Burke or Nonis.
I'm not talking about draft...Gillis could have made other moves to improve his roster, but hasn't made anything worth while...
This Canucks team should have won a Cup by now, but Gillis isn't a good enough GM to fill in the pieces properly...

They built a foundation for a contender...its hardly their fault that Gillis has poop the bed filling in the pieces.
- BoBBeR56

The foundation was built through drafting - Sedins, Kesler, Edler, etc. I will give Burke and Nonis credit for that. But drafting will only take you so far. Look at the Leafs. Some good D prospects and good wingers. Now they need a GM to sort out goaltending and down the middle. Nonis wouldn't be my first choice.

As far as Gillis "poopting the bed". The Canucks have been considered one of the top contenders for the cup the last couple of years. There are no gaurantees, especially in the playoffs. I would rather be one of the top 4-6 contenders going in and see how the chips fall. That's all you can really ask for going into a season.

Gillis inherited a contender that should be a winner...
When Burke and Nonis left, the pieces were in place to be a winning team within a few years and they are...Gillis shouldn't get the credit for what they built.
- BoBBeR56

You're right they should get the credit for what they did in Van, and the blame for what they did in TO.

Gillis inherited a contender that should be a winner...
When Burke and Nonis left, the pieces were in place to be a winning team within a few years and they are...Gillis shouldn't get the credit for what they built.
- BoBBeR56

So I guess when Nonis gets canned all the Leaf fans can look back and thank him and Burke for wonderful foundation they have created in TO. I hope that works out for you guys.

The foundation was built through drafting - Sedins, Kesler, Edler, etc. I will give Burke and Nonis credit for that. But drafting will only take you so far. Look at the Leafs. Some good D prospects and good wingers. Now they need a GM to sort out goaltending and down the middle. Nonis wouldn't be my first choice.

As far as Gillis "poopting the bed". The Canucks have been considered one of the top contenders for the cup the last couple of years. There are no gaurantees, especially in the playoffs. I would rather be one of the top 4-6 contenders going in and see how the chips fall. That's all you can really ask for going into a season.
- fiveandagame

And what players do you attribute that to? The guy has made no moves to improve the team, whatsoever. He has a pile of crap trades though.

Who brought in all the key pieces to your Canucks team? Burke or Nonis.
I'm not talking about draft...Gillis could have made other moves to improve his roster, but hasn't made anything worth while...
This Canucks team should have won a Cup by now, but Gillis isn't a good enough GM to fill in the pieces properly...
- BoBBeR56

The Leafs should have made the playoffs by now. This is the worst rebuild in the history of sports.

You're right they should get the credit for what they did in Van, and the blame for what they did in TO.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Blamed for what?
Have you looked at the poopty roster of the Leafs in 2008?
Granted its not a lot better, but there are a couple stars, a few prospects, and some bright spots...
Hard to turn poop into ice cream...

And what players do you attribute that to? The guy has made no moves to improve the team, whatsoever. He has a pile of crap trades though.
- prock

Hamius

Blamed for what?
Have you looked at the poopty roster of the Leafs in 2008?
Granted its not a lot better, but there are a couple stars, a few prospects, and some bright spots...
Hard to turn poop into ice cream...
- BoBBeR56

Who will walk away when their contracts are up.

The Leafs should have made the playoffs by now. This is the worst rebuild in the history of sports.
- fiveandagame

Its because it wasn't done properly...constant mistake of trading youth for aging players, trading draft picks, signing old guys to long term deals with NTC...
Plus like I said, look at how ridiculous the Leafs roster was in 2008 when Burke took over...you are dumber than a bag of hammers if you think the 2008 roster (and prospects) is better than the roster right now.

Who will walk away when their contracts are up.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Says who? You?
I'm glad you can see 2years into the future. Are we gonna have flying cars by then?

And what players do you attribute that to? The guy has made no moves to improve the team, whatsoever. He has a pile of crap trades though.
- prock

I acknowledged Burkes and Nonis's draft record. Gillis has also signed thoes draft picks to reasonalble contracts (aside from Luongo) and brought in guys like Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Higgins, Lapierre, ect who were part of getting the Canucks to game 7 of the SCF.

So far Ballard has been a bust for the Canucks, I will give Booth the rest of this year before I call him a bust and I will wait to see what happens with Luongo before I throw Gillis under the bus on his trade record.

Its because it wasn't done properly...constant mistake of trading youth for aging players, trading draft picks, signing old guys to long term deals with NTC...
Plus like I said, look at how ridiculous the Leafs roster was in 2008 when Burke took over...you are dumber than a bag of hammers if you think the 2008 roster (and prospects) is better than the roster right now.
- BoBBeR56

Hence the blame

And what players do you attribute that to? The guy has made no moves to improve the team, whatsoever. He has a pile of crap trades though.
- prock

If you honestly believe that you're a fool. He's added depth that brought the club over the edge, some of it was the natural maturation of Kesler Burrows Edler and the Sedins, but bringing in Malhotra Higgins Lapierre Hamhuis Booth has helped with the lack of depth issue.

Hence the blame
- A_SteamingLombardi

Yah, but that was because of GM's before him...Fletcher, JFJ, Quinn, etc.
Did Burke make a questionable deal with the Kessel deal? Absolutely, and who knows where this team would be if he didn't...but Leafs did get a 25yr old who has 4x30goal seasons under his belt and was 6th in NHL scoring last year...

Says who? You?
I'm glad you can see 2years into the future. Are we gonna have flying cars by then?
- BoBBeR56

If you were an american would you stay? They will go south and pay less taxes.