Idiot Van fans.....and you haven't even mastered basic punctuation. Bravo.
- Fosco

Typical Van fan i see..No valid arguments to respond with so might as well point out someones punctuation..Good job [/img]

[quote=clarkysduster]If it costs as much as Van fans say (Kadri, Reilly, 1st...), we could likely get a guy like Halak anyways, who is better, younger and on a cheaper

So Halak is better then Luongo???
- fiveandagame

Yup.

Not available though.

So your sample size is one year. Why don't you look at the laundry list of average to below average goaltenders that have have great statistical years under Hitchcock
- fiveandagame

Ok...so over their careers:
Halak: 2.43GAA, .918Save%
Luongo: 2.52GAA, .919Save%
Better? And Halak is still 6yrs younger than Lu...

Leaf fans want a contender, not some BS borderline playoff team that always just sneaks into the 7th/8th seed (kinda like the Flames). Don't completely suck to get a good draft pick, but not good enough to make a good playoff run. I don't know if I speak for all Leaf fans, but I would rather no playoffs for another 2-3years if it means we have a legit contender (like the Canucks currently are) for like a decade.
Getting Luongo makes us that cusp team of not being good enough to contend, but not poopty enough to get a good pick.
- BoBBeR56

Why not try building around Luongo. It worked in van. You would get 6-7 years to do that. Look at NJ has bee able to do with Broduer. The Leafs need tO try something different. What they have dooming for the past decade has not been working.

Why not try building around Luongo. It worked in van. You would get 6-7 years to do that. Look at NJ has bee able to do with Broduer. The Leafs need tO try something different. What they have dooming for the past decade has not been working.
- fiveandagame

Do you re-read what you write? Build around a 34yr old goalie?
Lu is good...but he will decline, and soon.
If we were talking about trading for Schneider, then yes I would fully agree with you, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to build around an aging goalie. By the time Leafs will be contender, Lu will be like 38, lol

Do you re-read what you write? Build around a 34yr old goalie?
Lu is good...but he will decline, and soon.
If we were talking about trading for Schneider, then yes I would fully agree with you, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to build around an aging goalie. By the time Leafs will be contender, Lu will be like 38, lol
- BoBBeR56

Look at the reload NJ was able to do after losing pretty much their entire cup roster. The leafs actually have some good young players. I think you are underestimating T how quickly things can turn around with a couple of smart moves

Look at the reload NJ was able to do after losing pretty much their entire cup roster. The leafs actually have some good young players. I think you are underestimating T how quickly things can turn around with a couple of smart moves
- fiveandagame

Maybe...and the potential "could" be there...
I just still think it be best to go after a younger goalie...and like I said if this deal was for Schneider rather than Lu, then I would 100% agree with you.
That said, would you as a Canucks fan take Kadri/something else & Gardiner for Schneider?

Yup.

Not available though.
- prock

I think in terms of his age he might be someone you'd look at over a Luongo. Overall ability right now I'd rather have Luongo.

Maybe...and the potential "could" be there...
I just still think it be best to go after a younger goalie...and like I said if this deal was for Schneider rather than Lu, then I would 100% agree with you.
That said, would you as a Canucks fan take Kadri/something else & Gardiner for Schneider?
- BoBBeR56

The Canucks would look elsewhere in a Schneider deal. You have good pieces but not as good as what could be had from other teams.

I think any deal with Philly a Dman needs to go to Philly. No chance in hell Philly gives Couturier. Homer wouldn't give him for Shea Weber!
- TML93

I don't know why people keep saying that. Holmgren would for sure trade Couturier for Weber. It was probably apart of a bigger package.

Sorry, guys - I've been busy all morning, and haven't had time to check in.

Did we get this Luongo thing solved?

I think in terms of his age he might be someone you'd look at over a Luongo. Overall ability right now I'd rather have Luongo.
- Boinker

Yeah, I don't know about that.

Halak is an incredibly underrated goalie, in my opinion. He’s like Vokoun v2.0. I can’t figure out why people have this idea that Carey Price is some incredible young goalie, and Halak gets no mention, when he had better stats every single year in Montreal. Yes, some of them were some pretty small sample sizes, but he also stole Price’s job. Twice.

He didn’t have a great year two seasons ago, but it was also a season marred by injury. And while he was spectacular last season, it’s arguable, and hard to tell, how much of that was due to the system he was playing in (at the very least, you have to question it, given the caliber of the other goalie there, and how well that goalie did as well).

But, he’s been a very consistently top performing goalie, for quite a few years now. I really don’t understand why people don’t seem to buy into him. Is it simply Habs fans bashing of him, in a desperate plea to believe they kept the right goalie?

Sorry, guys - I've been busy all morning, and haven't had time to check in.

Did we get this Luongo thing solved?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya, Rielly and a first was agreed upon.

Why not try building around Luongo. It worked in van. You would get 6-7 years to do that. Look at NJ has bee able to do with Broduer. The Leafs need tO try something different. What they have dooming for the past decade has not been working.
- fiveandagame

I find your typo to be quite accurate.

Maybe...and the potential "could" be there...
I just still think it be best to go after a younger goalie...and like I said if this deal was for Schneider rather than Lu, then I would 100% agree with you.
That said, would you as a Canucks fan take Kadri/something else & Gardiner for Schneider?
- BoBBeR56

Would you really be willing to give up Gardiner,kadri and something else for a goalie thats only played something like 60 nhl games so far?Like seriously im having visions of Riemer/Toskala/Raycroft/Gustavsson as we speak about it.

No doubt schneider will be a good goalie for years to come but in my eyes he is still unproven.I think Van was retarded to sign him to such a contract as they did considering the mistake they made with Lou and his contract.

Myself id rather stay with Reimer and scrivens for this season and see if he can come back as the same goalie he was before he was cracked in the noodle last season.He played gr8 for us the year before and he started last season on fire as well..Scrivens is a future star no doubt,its just how far into the future is the question..He has played in the ahl for 2 season i think,dont quote me on it but 2 years and he has won the Holmes Memorial Award,backstopped the marlies to the calder cup final,played a few nhl games and looked decent.

We are 2 years and a couple stars away from being a serious cup contender.I don't see what the rush is to go out and get another teams throw aways like Lou or their (in my eyes) unproven starter..

Yeah, I don't know about that.

Halak is an incredibly underrated goalie, in my opinion. He’s like Vokoun v2.0. I can’t figure out why people have this idea that Carey Price is some incredible young goalie, and Halak gets no mention, when he had better stats every single year in Montreal. Yes, some of them were some pretty small sample sizes, but he also stole Price’s job. Twice.

He didn’t have a great year two seasons ago, but it was also a season marred by injury. And while he was spectacular last season, it’s arguable, and hard to tell, how much of that was due to the system he was playing in (at the very least, you have to question it, given the caliber of the other goalie there, and how well that goalie did as well).

But, he’s been a very consistently top performing goalie, for quite a few years now. I really don’t understand why people don’t seem to buy into him. Is it simply Habs fans bashing of him, in a desperate plea to believe they kept the right goalie?
- prock

It's tough to get a gauge on a goalie playing in a system like the one in St. Louis. He was obviously good in Montreal but still.... his numbers along with Elliots are inflated. Stick Luongo in Phoenix or St. Louis and everybody would have a different opinion of him. Halak is really good though but it's hard comparing goalies.

Ya, Rielly and a first was agreed upon.
- Boinker

That's great - I was worried you an Esplen wouldn't be able to come to an agreement on what the dumbest trade proposal would be.

Good work, fellas.

Would you really be willing to give up Gardiner,kadri and something else for a goalie thats only played something like 60 nhl games so far?Like seriously im having visions of Riemer/Toskala/Raycroft/Gustavsson as we speak about it.

No doubt schneider will be a good goalie for years to come but in my eyes he is still unproven.I think Van was retarded to sign him to such a contract as they did considering the mistake they made with Lou and his contract.

Myself id rather stay with Reimer and scrivens for this season and see if he can come back as the same goalie he was before he was cracked in the noodle last season.He played gr8 for us the year before and he started last season on fire as well..Scrivens is a future star no doubt,its just how far into the future is the question..He has played in the ahl for 2 season i think,dont quote me on it but 2 years and he has won the Holmes Memorial Award,backstopped the marlies to the calder cup final,played a few nhl games and looked decent.

We are 2 years and a couple stars away from being a serious cup contender.I don't see what the rush is to go out and get another teams throw aways like Lou or their (in my eyes) unproven starter..
- ALeafsFan4Ever

Oh dear...

Oh dear...
- Atomic Wedgie

You think were farther then that?

You think were farther then that?
- ALeafsFan4Ever

Let's pretend that the Leafs have enough at the wings.

You still need a superstar at centre.

And at least two on defence.

And one in net.

And that's assuming that over the next two years, you keep Kessel, Lupul re-signs and is able to keep up his pace, JVR becomes a good player (he isn't yet), Kulemin refinds his mojo, Kadri puts it together, Gardiner doesn't slump, Phaneuf re-signs, Liles doesn't age...

You think were farther then that?
- ALeafsFan4Ever

Unless those stars are Henrik Lundqvist and a healthy Sidney Crosby, I'm going with yes.

Even that's questionable.

It seems to me that TML fans are a bit like Goldilocks, which is going to make acquiring just the right goalie very difficult. This one's too old, this one's too young, ahhhhh just right! I wonder who that just right player is?

Would you really be willing to give up Gardiner,kadri and something else for a goalie thats only played something like 60 nhl games so far?Like seriously im having visions of Riemer/Toskala/Raycroft/Gustavsson as we speak about it.

No doubt schneider will be a good goalie for years to come but in my eyes he is still unproven.I think Van was retarded to sign him to such a contract as they did considering the mistake they made with Lou and his contract.

Myself id rather stay with Reimer and scrivens for this season and see if he can come back as the same goalie he was before he was cracked in the noodle last season.He played gr8 for us the year before and he started last season on fire as well..Scrivens is a future star no doubt,its just how far into the future is the question..He has played in the ahl for 2 season i think,dont quote me on it but 2 years and he has won the Holmes Memorial Award,backstopped the marlies to the calder cup final,played a few nhl games and looked decent.

We are 2 years and a couple stars away from being a serious cup contender.I don't see what the rush is to go out and get another teams throw aways like Lou or their (in my eyes) unproven starter..
- ALeafsFan4Ever

I hope you're not serious with this. Aye Carumba!!!

Let's pretend that the Leafs have enough at the wings.

You still need a superstar at centre.

And at least two on defence.

And one in net.

And that's assuming that over the next two years, you keep Kessel, Lupul re-signs and is able to keep up his pace, JVR becomes a good player (he isn't yet), Kulemin refinds his mojo, Kadri puts it together, Gardiner doesn't slump, Phaneuf re-signs, Liles doesn't age...
- Atomic Wedgie

I think they have more than “enough” at the wings, depending on what you mean by enough. They certainly have plenty of capable wingers. Between Kessel, Lupul, Macarthur, Frattin, Kulemin, JVR, potentially Kadri, who I think is more suited to wing, and a few other possibilities, I find it hard to believe you can’t fill out 3 lines of wingers. Hell, if Connolloly sticks around and is healthy, he played some depth winger spots last year.

Let's pretend that the Leafs have enough at the wings.

You still need a superstar at centre.

And at least two on defence.

And one in net.

And that's assuming that over the next two years, you keep Kessel, Lupul re-signs and is able to keep up his pace, JVR becomes a good player (he isn't yet), Kulemin refinds his mojo, Kadri puts it together, Gardiner doesn't slump, Phaneuf re-signs, Liles doesn't age...
- Atomic Wedgie

Haha so what you think is were like 5 yrs and complete rebuild away..Send me some of the stuff your smoking..We managed to stay in a playoff spot for over half the season last year with no true #1 goalie..Wingers arent a problem.I dont think itll be issue to resign Kessel or Lupul..Just getting rid of luke for jvr made the team better (even if JVR sits all year)..I see 1 true top center 1 def man and a tender..Like i said before,myself i wana ride this short season out with a tandem of reimer/scrivens to see how they can do..