Please, the consequences of Philly acquiring Lou are simply outrageous.

1. Philly already has $57.5M committed to 16 players next season with the cap dropping to $64.3M.

2.Philly has $6.8M to sign 7 players next season

3. They will then need to sign Giroux, B. Schenn and Couturier.

4. Paul Holmgren just signed Bryz to a ridiculous contract just last year, Bryz has only played ONE season with the Flyers. Is Paul willing to humiliate himself as well as cost his owners a boat load of money in buying him out after ONE season with the team? Furthermore what would this buyout signal to future UFA's in relation to signing in Philly? Trade him? TO WHO? US? NO!

You are correct in the assumption that i know little more then you in terms of trade discussions, however i would favor rational thought and discussion over extremely far fetched proposals. In all honesty Philly is probably the last team in the league that would acquire Lou's services.
- Whiskey-Tango

I don't think Phi will make a move on Luongo, but nothing in your post supports your claim that the news of Holmgren asking about Lou's availability is BS, like you claim.

And Phi is absolutely not the "last team in the league" who would ask about Lou's services. They are a good goalie away from being SC favourites. You think he's worried about the aftermath of buying Bryz out? He's likely more concerned with improving his team and winning a cup. They've got cap relief from Pronger being on LTIR, and also have Timonen coming off the books after the season.

Ultimately, the price will probably be far more than Holgren is willing to pay, but to say the rumours that he inquired is BS, is BS.

I get ya. I am only hoping for a Lou-bidding war.
- Beatle_john

Exactly, and i think its safe to assume that's the purpose of these rumors, to simply escalate the price among teams who actually want him.

Facts:

- Gillis does not have to trade him now.
- Lou as a distraction is conjecture only and promoted by those who want to see him traded or have a vested interest in the media-hype.
- Lou can be traded at anytime up to the deadline

- Toronto has lost leverage with the firing of Burke.

- Gillis will need a backup for insurance as Lack is hurt. Reimer was in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the same time when TO media broke that a deal was done.

- Gillis wants young studs so you must include Kadri and either Reily or Gardner

- Bozak is not a strong consideration and will be used only if Vancouver does not take Komi (See below)

- To balance this Vancouver also gives Raymond

- To save Face, Toronto insists a draft pick and that we take Komi and his salary.

- To counter this, Vancouver agrees to take Komi for Ballard and gives a 3rd rounder.

Final deal is

To Toronto: Louongo, Raymond, Ballard and a 3rd pick.

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kardri, Komi, Either Reiley or Gardner.


OR:

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner


I know many Toronto fans will say this is overpayment but Bozak's contract makes his value nothing. Reimer and Kadri are locks and then there must be a this young stud so consider Louongo for Reimer and Kadri which is underpayment and Bozak and Garner for Raymond which is overpayment.

I think this wil be the deal unless they also trade Komi for Ballard

Facts:

- Gillis does not have to trade him now.
- Lou as a distraction is conjecture only and promoted by those who want to see him traded or have a vested interest in the media-hype.
- Lou can be traded at anytime up to the deadline

- Toronto has lost leverage with the firing of Burke.

- Gillis will need a backup for insurance as Lack is hurt. Reimer was in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the same time when TO media broke that a deal was done.

- Gillis wants young studs so you must include Kadri and either Reily or Gardner

- Bozak is not a strong consideration and will be used only if Vancouver does not take Komi (See below)

- To balance this Vancouver also gives Raymond

- To save Face, Toronto insists a draft pick and that we take Komi and his salary.

- To counter this, Vancouver agrees to take Komi for Ballard and gives a 3rd rounder.

Final deal is

To Toronto: Louongo, Raymond, Ballard and a 3rd pick.

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kardri, Komi, Either Reiley or Gardner.


OR:

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner
- Beatle_john

Wow...

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner

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I'm not saying its impossible but we have to consider the logistics, and in this case its a little severe.

So essentially Philly is going to use both or their only buyouts on Pronger and Bryz just to acquire Lou, how much money would that be? Didn't they just acquire Grossman last trade deadline?

As opposed to Vancouver, Philly is essentially rebuilding their team on the run, why all the sacrifice for a older goalie? If anything i think they would be much more interested in Cory.
- Whiskey-Tango

No need to buy out Pronger( LTIR ).

Bryz would cost about 30 M to buy out. If I remember correctly Flyers were going to pay Weber 26 in bonuses this year if he signed an offer sheet. So burying Bryz is possible. If Flyers keep the mad Rasputin goalie they will be the laughing stock of the playoffs for years to come. They have to decide.

Gilman has already stated today we will find ways to dump Luongos contract in the last few years and LTIR is an option.

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- Zezel

I just updated it to give more explaination.... instead of laughing, give yoru opinion...

Wow...

- clarkysduster

I just updated it to give more explaination.... instead of laughing, give yoru opinion...

Its called postional depth. The Canucks feel that they have 2 #1 goalies and there is a redundency in that. They want to trade one to help fill holes in other areas. Is this really a difficult concept to figure out?
- fiveandagame

That's it in a nutshell.

I just updated it to give more explaination.... instead of laughing, give yoru opinion...
- Beatle_john

Primarily I think really young, highly regarded prospects and picks right now like Gardiner and Rielly are untouchables. Kadri I could see being traded. But basically Gardiner and Rielly are probably more valuable assets, possibly the most valuable assets they have as a young rebuilding team. Ownership and Gillis must know after all of the saga of the two firsts and a second, if they trade them they will be burned alive. I don't see any way they trade those guys, or any first round picks. Bozak or Kadri could go but imo gardiner, rielly and first round picks are in a vault right now and won't be traded

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- Zezel

Then you are out of the playoffs. Gillis has no gun to his head.

Gillis would be happy with two #1 goalies in a short season. He will not be undersold as Toronto will not be overpaying.

Primarily I think really young, highly regarded prospects and picks right now like Gardiner and Rielly are untouchables. Kadri I could see being traded. But basically Gardiner and Rielly are probably more valuable assets, possibly the most valuable assets they have as a young rebuilding team. Ownership and Gillis must know after all of the saga of the two firsts and a second, if they do that those guys will be burned alive. I don't see any way they trade those guys, or any first round picks. Bozak or Kadri could go but imo gardiner, rielly and first round picks are in a vault right now and won't be traded
- Zezel

I understand but then you are underpaying bacause Bozak's contact will end. Who know, maybe the Canucks offer up Kassian as well.

Then you are out of the playoffs. Gillis has no gun to his head.

Gillis would be happy with two #1 goalies in a short season. He will not be undersold as Toronto will not be overpaying.

You got to pay to play son.
- Beatle_john

I think that's the smart play here by the Leafs is to not acquire Luongo and continue trying to improve via other means. And I think Vancouver should go all in with Luongo and trade Schneider for hired guns to win a Cup, just my read on it, of course the teams will do the opposite, bad move for both teams imo

I don't think Phi will make a move on Luongo, but nothing in your post supports your claim that the news of Holmgren asking about Lou's availability is BS, like you claim.

And Phi is absolutely not the "last team in the league" who would ask about Lou's services. They are a good goalie away from being SC favourites. You think he's worried about the aftermath of buying Bryz out? He's likely more concerned with improving his team and winning a cup. They've got cap relief from Pronger being on LTIR, and also have Timonen coming off the books after the season.

Ultimately, the price will probably be far more than Holgren is willing to pay, but to say the rumours that he inquired is BS, is BS.
- Fosco

I'm not so sure, yes Bryz sh!t the bed, no doubt about it but the Flyers defense was suspect as well. They still have work to do, contacting Vancouver about the availability of players is more then likely true but im hesitant to believe its about Lou. I think that aspect of this rumor was fabricated by Vancouver in an attempt to raise Roberto's value among other teams.

Facts:

- Gillis does not have to trade him now.
- Lou as a distraction is conjecture only and promoted by those who want to see him traded or have a vested interest in the media-hype.
- Lou can be traded at anytime up to the deadline

- Toronto has lost leverage with the firing of Burke.

- Gillis will need a backup for insurance as Lack is hurt. Reimer was in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the same time when TO media broke that a deal was done.

- Gillis wants young studs so you must include Kadri and either Reily or Gardner

- Bozak is not a strong consideration and will be used only if Vancouver does not take Komi (See below)

- To balance this Vancouver also gives Raymond

- To save Face, Toronto insists a draft pick and that we take Komi and his salary.

- To counter this, Vancouver agrees to take Komi for Ballard and gives a 3rd rounder.

Final deal is

To Toronto: Louongo, Raymond, Ballard and a 3rd pick.

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kardri, Komi, Either Reiley or Gardner.


OR:

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner


I know many Toronto fans will say this is overpayment but Bozak's contract makes his value nothing. Reimer and Kadri are locks and then there must be a this young stud so consider Louongo for Reimer and Kadri which is underpayment and Bozak and Garner for Raymond which is overpayment.

I think this wil be the deal unless they also trade Komi for Ballard
- Beatle_john

Fact:
Your parents put a lock on the liquor cabinet for a reason.

Don't be surprised if Lu is going to Phi . His interview at the airport today they mentioned if he goes to the Flyers (not Tor) would he be ok. Sort of smiled and skirted the question and responded" If something comes up Mike will let me know."

Don't be surprised if Lu is going to Phi . His interview at the airport today they mentioned if he goes to the Flyers (not Tor) would he be ok. Sort of smiled and skirted the question and responded" If something comes up Mike will let me know."
- VANTEL

What do you think could come back from Philly for Luongo?

I'm not so sure, yes Bryz sh!t the bed, no doubt about it but the Flyers defense was suspect as well. They still have work to do, contacting Vancouver about the availability of players is more then likely true but im hesitant to believe its about Lou. I think that aspect of this rumor was fabricated by Vancouver in an attempt to raise Roberto's value among other teams.
- Whiskey-Tango

I said days before the rumour release, two teams that would make sense to trade for Lu was the Flyers and NYI. If an old fart like me can see it ,I a sure the GM of their respective clubs could see it too.

Primarily I think really young, highly regarded prospects and picks right now like Gardiner and Rielly are untouchables. Kadri I could see being traded. But basically Gardiner and Rielly are probably more valuable assets, possibly the most valuable assets they have as a young rebuilding team. Ownership and Gillis must know after all of the saga of the two firsts and a second, if they trade them they will be burned alive. I don't see any way they trade those guys, or any first round picks. Bozak or Kadri could go but imo gardiner, rielly and first round picks are in a vault right now and won't be traded
- Zezel

You keep saying assets. What about asset management? The Leafs have a pretty good back end. Phaneuf, Gunnerson, Gardnier, JML, Rielly, Franson, Blacker, Percy, Finn, Holzer ect. What they don't have is goaltending. They might need to sacrifice a Gunnerson, Rielly or Gardnier and depend on the rest of their defensive depth to fill a massive gap in net. Having all those top end defensman isn't going to help when you have a terrible goaltending.

Fact:
Your parents put a lock on the liquor cabinet for a reason.
- Feeling Glucky?

Gluck, I don;t know how you can dismiss this knowing what just happened to Burke who would not pay market value.

I did not know you werwe so OK with them missing the playoffs yet again

What do you think could come back from Philly for Luongo?
- Zezel

Schenn brothers

Facts:

- Gillis does not have to trade him now.
- Lou as a distraction is conjecture only and promoted by those who want to see him traded or have a vested interest in the media-hype.
- Lou can be traded at anytime up to the deadline

- Toronto has lost leverage with the firing of Burke.

- Gillis will need a backup for insurance as Lack is hurt. Reimer was in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the same time when TO media broke that a deal was done.

- Gillis wants young studs so you must include Kadri and either Reily or Gardner

- Bozak is not a strong consideration and will be used only if Vancouver does not take Komi (See below)

- To balance this Vancouver also gives Raymond

- To save Face, Toronto insists a draft pick and that we take Komi and his salary.

- To counter this, Vancouver agrees to take Komi for Ballard and gives a 3rd rounder.

Final deal is

To Toronto: Louongo, Raymond, Ballard and a 3rd pick.

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kardri, Komi, Either Reiley or Gardner.


OR:

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner


I know many Toronto fans will say this is overpayment but Bozak's contract makes his value nothing. Reimer and Kadri are locks and then there must be a this young stud so consider Louongo for Reimer and Kadri which is underpayment and Bozak and Garner for Raymond which is overpayment.

I think this wil be the deal unless they also trade Komi for Ballard
- Beatle_john

Whoa.

What do you think could come back from Philly for Luongo?
- Zezel

My first reaction to Grossman ,once the rumour was leaked made sense. My intitial thought was Simmonds and L Schenn for Edler and Lu. Most readers shot it down.

Ferraro today said Sean Couturier .At first reaction you say WTF . Then I thought if it is a package trade like Edler and Lu then it opens the door for a lot of options.

It could be as simple as Lu for L Schenn or Grossman.

I think that's the smart play here by the Leafs is to not acquire Luongo and continue trying to improve via other means. And I think Vancouver should go all in with Luongo and trade Schneider for hired guns to win a Cup, just my read on it, of course the teams will do the opposite, bad move for both teams imo
- Zezel

Totally got you there....

My thoughts are only IF they make a trade.... I am not saying they have to, but I do agree that they will not make the playoffs.

Facts:

- Gillis does not have to trade him now.
- Lou as a distraction is conjecture only and promoted by those who want to see him traded or have a vested interest in the media-hype.
- Lou can be traded at anytime up to the deadline

- Toronto has lost leverage with the firing of Burke.

- Gillis will need a backup for insurance as Lack is hurt. Reimer was in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the same time when TO media broke that a deal was done.

- Gillis wants young studs so you must include Kadri and either Reily or Gardner

- Bozak is not a strong consideration and will be used only if Vancouver does not take Komi (See below)

- To balance this Vancouver also gives Raymond

- To save Face, Toronto insists a draft pick and that we take Komi and his salary.

- To counter this, Vancouver agrees to take Komi for Ballard and gives a 3rd rounder.

Final deal is

To Toronto: Louongo, Raymond, Ballard and a 3rd pick.

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kardri, Komi, Either Reiley or Gardner.


OR:

To Toronto: Louongo and Raymond

To Vancouver: Reimer, Kadri, Bozak and Gardner


I know many Toronto fans will say this is overpayment but Bozak's contract makes his value nothing. Reimer and Kadri are locks and then there must be a this young stud so consider Louongo for Reimer and Kadri which is underpayment and Bozak and Garner for Raymond which is overpayment.

I think this wil be the deal unless they also trade Komi for Ballard
- Beatle_john

Whoa.