Do you know the Leafs would have came in 2nd last without Kessel in the lineup that season? No you don't.

They could have came in dead last... or could have won the cup.... you don't know.
- HipHopisDead

Won the cup? really? was that even a possibility? Without Kessel they would have been worse off no doubt...

I suggested Columbus yesterday. Players seem to like him, maybe the Jackets would gain a little credibility (toward NHLers) by hiring him.
- Pecafan Fan

Edler>Weber
- Boinker

seriously???

You need help

Yeah that trade worked out as best it possibly for you guys considering he was anRFA where they both parties didnt' want to deal with eachother anymore and you won the cup.

Same with the Kaberle trade... you guys got smoked on that one (I think it was in good faith after how the Kessel deal turned out - which was shocking) however you won the cup with Kaberle who was your lineup for 2 months (for two 1st rounders).. so it was worth it for you guys.
- HipHopisDead

Agreed, I would redo the Kaberle trade over again given the outcome. We won the cup, now could we have won the cup without Kaberle, possibly, yes but who knows. Luckily for Boston the pick we ended up shipping out to Toronto was a late 1st rounder and Joe Colborne who would have had trouble cracking our lineup.

Luongo + Raymond for Kessel, MacArthur + Frattin
- Scooby_Doo

Do you still think your funny? its literally been a calendar year and you still find it entertaining to enter the thread daily and throw out a retarded luongo trade...

Won the cup? really? was that even a possibility? Without Kessel they would have been worse off no doubt...
- JR1417

no doubt eh?

If Kessel got 6th in league scoring, and revitalized Lupol's career by playing with Kessel, isn't he the best player. When was the last time a leaf was in the top ten - and no Sundin wasn't there ever. I just don't understand, any other guy gets at least 2 first rounders if he's at that level, I'm not saying I wouldn't want Sequin cause I would, but this calibre of player from any other team would garner that type of return. If Sundin - who never cracked the top ten as a leaf - was traded for anything less than 2 first rounders people would freak in Toronto. Kessel will likely score at least 400 goals in his careers maybe more if he stays healthy and go down as one of the best American born shooters in history, but he isn't worth 2 first rounders? I'm a little baffled, plus, agian, look at how he lifted Lupol. Just saying.
- aminnes

False: 2001-2002 Sundin 80 points, #4 scoring leader

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Agreed, I would redo the Kaberle trade over again given the outcome. We won the cup, now could we have won the cup without Kaberle, possibly, yes but who knows. Luckily for Boston the pick we ended up shipping out to Toronto was a late 1st rounder and Joe Colborne who would have had trouble cracking our lineup.
- fudd1689

I'm certain without had-his-day you win the cup. What was he playing 10 mins a game?

no doubt eh?
- HipHopisDead

Which could have potentially worked out better for the leafs had they not made the trade and kept the pick!

Luongo, Raymond + Ballard for Couturier, Briere + 1st.
- Scooby_Doo

Kessel and HAMILTON...much rather those 2 over Kessel every day of the week
- JR1417

In actuality it would have been even better. Because without Kessel the Leafs would have finished last both years.

They could have had Hall and RNH.

False: 2001-2002 Sundin 80 points, #4 scoring leader
- Eliminason

oh, got me there. Either way, would leaf fans have accepted anything less than 2 firsts for him? no. not a chance.

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- Feeling_Glucky

Thank god

Agreed, I would redo the Kaberle trade over again given the outcome. We won the cup, now could we have won the cup without Kaberle, possibly, yes but who knows. Luckily for Boston the pick we ended up shipping out to Toronto was a late 1st rounder and Joe Colborne who would have had trouble cracking our lineup.
- fudd1689

Yeah, I like the Bruins. It's my Dad's team and they drafted Thorton.
But these ppl who say the Kessel trade was for Seguin, Hamilton and Knight are just trying to flip script to make it sound better than it was at the time. Another situation where the media (bell and rogers) bash the Leafs.

In actuality it would have been even better. Because without Kessel the Leafs would have finished last both years.

They could have had Hall and RNH.
- Iggysbff

Yeah I know, its hard to even think about that. But, I was just making the argument on Hamilton and Seguin...I would much rather those 2 plus Knight not even factoring in the potential of the picks being even better had they done worse...

Not sure what happened to the last post but anyway-

Imagine Lu and the Bryz= crazy cap hits for 2 goalies... ? philly uses the amnesty on both next year?

completelu untrue. But of course i wouldn't expect anything less from you.
- tomburton99

Um actually it is true...

Which could have potentially worked out better for the leafs had they not made the trade and kept the pick!
- JR1417

Potentially

Yeah, I like the Bruins. It's my Dad's team and they drafted Thorton.
But these ppl who say the Kessel trade was for Seguin, Hamilton and Knight are just trying to flip script to make it sound better than it was at the time. Another situation where the media (bell and rogers) bash the Leafs.
- HipHopisDead

How can you not make this argument? Boston got Hamilton, Seguin and Knight from the trade, right? Factor in if the leafs didn't make the trade they would most likely have been worse, thus the picks might have even been better...

Gardner and Rielly not being traded per Nonis on SN now.
- Feeling_Glucky

I thought he didn't believe in untradables

Not sure what happened to the last post but anyway-

Imagine Lu and the Bryz= crazy cap hits for 2 goalies... ? philly uses the amnesty on both next year?
- saskoil21

bryz' cap hit is only 1.6 more than schnieder...and nucks fans think they arent forced to trade luongo...LOL

How can you not make this argument? Boston got Hamilton, Seguin and Knight from the trade, right? Factor in if the leafs didn't make the trade they would most likely have been worse, thus the picks might have even been better...
- JR1417

might have

Gardner and Rielly not being traded per Nonis on SN now.
- Feeling_Glucky

you have a link or is it just on tv?

Potentially
- HipHopisDead

Do you think if the leafs hadn't made t he Kessel trade than they would have been better?