OK. Doesn't change the fact that the guy wasn't bad just not worth the 6.5 million contract.
- Cptmjl

But he's not played against NHL players in 3 years. Not to mention he was put on waivers and surely one of the 29 other NHL teams could have added him if they thought he was able to produce. But, noone claimed him....


Regardless........for 6.5 shmill, i say no thanks.

Nino needs to be given first or second line minutes right off the bat this year. Enough with this earning a spot crap.

Nino needs to be given first or second line minutes right off the bat this year. Enough with this earning a spot crap.
- JTMM9126

I dont think Nino plays on the isles this year.

Does anyone believe that The Barkley Center deal has soften the negative stance Players have had towards the Islanders?

With the Isles impending move to Brooklyn. Would it be advantageous to the Islander organization to begin fine tuning the team a bit?

Starting with the 1st Line.

Add that 3rd piece to the 1st line. Giving Moulson and JT a line mate that will carry them into Brooklyn and beyond.

JT is the #1 Prime Piece to the Isles rebuild. Yet Snow and Wang with a wing and a Prayer continue to shop the Bargain Basement looking to find the 3rd piece to complement their Franchise Player. This makes so little sense to me.
I believe JT deserves better and so does the team and its fans.

With the team stockpiled with prospects.(remains to be seen how many pan out but some have value)

And a few young vets ( loose term)who have yet to reach their potential and may need to be let go before their value drops below the "Mendoza Line". (KO Bailey Grabner etc..)

Isnt NOW a opportune time to pull the trigger and bring a quality Vet with some good yrs left in the tank?

Build the 1st line now. Solidify it. And then move on to address our other problems. One at a time.

The "D" is a problem that should self correct in a couple of yrs when our Prospects are developed. ( we have a ton of them and at least 3 should develop into NHL Caliber)

Hopefully the Goalie position will follow along the same road. One of our prospect will emerge as a #1

But with all the forwards that have come and go, underachieved and failed to produce over the past few seasons. I really believe that NOW is the time to get that Veteran wing for JT and start turning the page to the next level.

Right now every line is a question mark. Build the 1st line. One problem solved and on to the next.

I dont think Nino plays on the isles this year.
- kindlyrick

I hope not. Leave him in Bridgeport for a full yr.

Does anyone believe that The Barkley Center deal has soften the negative stance Players have had towards the Islanders?

With the Isles impending move to Brooklyn. Would it be advantageous to the Islander organization to begin fine tuning the team a bit?

Starting with the 1st Line.

Add that 3rd piece to the 1st line. Giving Moulson and JT a line mate that will carry them into Brooklyn and beyond.

JT is the #1 Prime Piece to the Isles rebuild. Yet Snow and Wang with a wing and a Prayer continue to shop the Bargain Basement looking to find the 3rd piece to complement their Franchise Player. This makes so little sense to me.
I believe JT deserves better and so does the team and its fans.

With the team stockpiled with prospects.(remains to be seen how many pan out but some have value)

And a few young vets ( loose term)who have yet to reach their potential and may need to be let go before their value drops below the "Mendoza Line". (KO Bailey Grabner etc..)

Isnt NOW a opportune time to pull the trigger and bring a quality Vet with some good yrs left in the tank?

Build the 1st line now. Solidify it. And then move on to address our other problems. One at a time.

The "D" is a problem that should self correct in a couple of yrs when our Prospects are developed. ( we have a ton of them and at least 3 should develop into NHL Caliber)

Hopefully the Goalie position will follow along the same road. One of our prospect will emerge as a #1

But with all the forwards that have come and go, underachieved and failed to produce over the past few seasons. I really believe that NOW is the time to get that Veteran wing for JT and start turning the page to the next level.

Right now every line is a question mark. Build the 1st line. One problem solved and on to the next.
- SCLI

Where is this from? Cause i def agree with it.

Again you're assuming.........which falls in line with me being tired of "what ifs" on this team. Rushing Reinhart isnt even part of my equation. He should and most likely will end up back in juniors. The isles D we all agree is a weak spot. SO rather than bring in an overpriced washed up Redden who "could still play" at the NHL level. I'd rather trade for a guy who has been playing well in the NHL the past few years.......not one who's been buried in the minors.

Sidenote: I can see your point with Redden if he was making 2 or 3 million. But you're suggesting bringing in a guy who would be the highest paid player on the isles and he hasnt played in the NHL in 3 years? Doesnt make sense to me. There are better options than Wade Redden.
- kindlyrick

Who are you trading for? I don't see teams lining up to give away top four guys. Also, I'm not saying I "want" Redden. I'm saying that I'd rather have him on the team as opposed to rushing Reinhart or other prospects/AHLers who aren't ready to contribute meaningful and productive minutes at the NHL level yet. Black suggested Redden, I simply commented on it. I'd take a guy like Barker too, or any decent vet, so long as it means not rushing guys like Reinhart, Ness, Donovan, etc.

One final note on Redden, the other aspect of him being suggested is that yes, you take a bad salary, but you would be taking that bad salary back in addition to the Rangers' 2nd rounder or something else to sweeten the deal in return for a low draft pick of our own. Having another second rounder for a team who is limited to building a team through the draft would be beneficial. As for the money, who cares how much Redden makes? He has 1 1/2 years left on that deal. The Isles are barely scraping the salary floor. The salary should mean nothing.

Where is this from? Cause i def agree with it.
- kindlyrick

I agree as well. Isles should start now do not wait for Brooklyn. They will probably be there before 2015. The days of camp invites like Pandolfo and Staios should over. Show the future UFA's now the Isles mean business. Use draft picks and trade young talent you feel do not fit.

Does anyone believe that The Barkley Center deal has soften the negative stance Players have had towards the Islanders?

With the Isles impending move to Brooklyn. Would it be advantageous to the Islander organization to begin fine tuning the team a bit?

Starting with the 1st Line.

Add that 3rd piece to the 1st line. Giving Moulson and JT a line mate that will carry them into Brooklyn and beyond.

JT is the #1 Prime Piece to the Isles rebuild. Yet Snow and Wang with a wing and a Prayer continue to shop the Bargain Basement looking to find the 3rd piece to complement their Franchise Player. This makes so little sense to me.
I believe JT deserves better and so does the team and its fans.

With the team stockpiled with prospects.(remains to be seen how many pan out but some have value)

And a few young vets ( loose term)who have yet to reach their potential and may need to be let go before their value drops below the "Mendoza Line". (KO Bailey Grabner etc..)

Isnt NOW a opportune time to pull the trigger and bring a quality Vet with some good yrs left in the tank?

Build the 1st line now. Solidify it. And then move on to address our other problems. One at a time.

The "D" is a problem that should self correct in a couple of yrs when our Prospects are developed. ( we have a ton of them and at least 3 should develop into NHL Caliber)

Hopefully the Goalie position will follow along the same road. One of our prospect will emerge as a #1

But with all the forwards that have come and go, underachieved and failed to produce over the past few seasons. I really believe that NOW is the time to get that Veteran wing for JT and start turning the page to the next level.

Right now every line is a question mark. Build the 1st line. One problem solved and on to the next.
- SCLI

who are you bringing in thats available??

and isnt it a double standard to say the defense and goaltending will be figured out in a few years because of the prospects, when the forwards are just as strong, if not stronger, than those 2 positions?

Who are you trading for? I don't see teams lining up to give away top four guys. Also, I'm not saying I "want" Redden. I'm saying that I'd rather have him on the team as opposed to rushing Reinhart or other prospects/AHLers who aren't ready to contribute meaningful and productive minutes at the NHL level yet. Black suggested Redden, I simply commented on it. I'd take a guy like Barker too, or any decent vet, so long as it means not rushing guys like Reinhart, Ness, Donovan, etc.

One final note on Redden, the other aspect of him being suggested is that yes, you take a bad salary, but you would be taking that bad salary back in addition to the Rangers' 2nd rounder or something else to sweeten the deal in return for a low draft pick of our own. Having another second rounder for a team who is limited to building a team through the draft would be beneficial. As for the money, who cares how much Redden makes? He has 1 1/2 years left on that deal. The Isles are barely scraping the salary floor. The salary should mean nothing.
- Jethro09

The last thing this team needs are more draft picks right now. They have a foundation, and they have the prospects all of whom are developing. The time to start adding to this team is now. Wade Redden is not the answer. I suggested making a play for PK Subban. Make him an offer sheet if you have to. Noone is going to give away a top 4 guy, but you never know what you can get. The isles have an abundance of centermen........do they need them all? How bout the fact that they have 3 goalie prospects? Surely some team somewhere can use either of those and a pick for a top dman. Noone is suggesting rushing the Reinharts (although i feel donovan is ready), but enough with bringing in an overpaid has been. Its not helping this team, and certainly does not address the problem.

Nino needs to be given first or second line minutes right off the bat this year. Enough with this earning a spot crap.
- JTMM9126

The only first or second line minutes Nino is getting this year better be in Bridgeport. Based on last year, he still has a long way to go, with all due respect to his decent output in the "A" so far. Just because you're a point per game or so player in the "A" for four months doesn't mean you're NHL material, let alone a top six NHL forward (see Tambellini, Jeff). Nino is not better than any forwards in our top six. He should stay in Bridgeport the rest of the season and be given a shot next training camp.

who are you bringing in thats available??

and isnt it a double standard to say the defense and goaltending will be figured out in a few years because of the prospects, when the forwards are just as strong, if not stronger, than those 2 positions?
- LetsGoIsles

Pretty sure thats Garths job...

The last thing this team needs are more draft picks right now. They have a foundation, and they have the prospects all of whom are developing. The time to start adding to this team is now. Wade Redden is not the answer. I suggested making a play for PK Subban. Make him an offer sheet if you have to. Noone is going to give away a top 4 guy, but you never know what you can get. The isles have an abundance of centermen........do they need them all? How bout the fact that they have 3 goalie prospects? Surely some team somewhere can use either of those and a pick for a top dman. Noone is suggesting rushing the Reinharts (although i feel donovan is ready), but enough with bringing in an overpaid has been. Its not helping this team, and certainly does not address the problem.
- kindlyrick

I agree they need to add to this current roster, but a team like the Isles will always need prospects. I would love to get Subban, but he's going to cost the team four first-rounders. That's way too much to give up for Subban. If it were Shea Weber, that would be a different story. But Subban is not worth close to that haul.

Keep in mind where those four first rounders for Subban will be. They're not going to be picks 20-30. They're going to likely be top ten, maybe even top five picks. You can't offer sheet a guy like Subban and throw away two or four top five/ten picks on a rebuilding team.

I agree they need to add to this current roster, but a team like the Isles will always need prospects. I would love to get Subban, but he's going to cost the team four first-rounders. That's way too much to give up for Subban. If it were Shea Weber, that would be a different story. But Subban is not worth close to that haul.

Keep in mind where those four first rounders for Subban will be. They're not going to be picks 20-30. They're going to likely be top ten, maybe even top five picks. You can't offer sheet a guy like Subban and throw away two or four top five/ten picks on a rebuilding team.
- Jethro09

If that offer sheet is going to cost 4 first rounders, i agree its not worth it. But i dont agree that they will be top 5 picks. They'll be more like top 20 picks, but, i wouldnt part with 4 first rounders for PK.

Having said all that, see what the Habs would want for him. I dont see any reason why the isles cant give up a prospect and two picks for a proven NHL dman.

Who are you trading for? I don't see teams lining up to give away top four guys. Also, I'm not saying I "want" Redden. I'm saying that I'd rather have him on the team as opposed to rushing Reinhart or other prospects/AHLers who aren't ready to contribute meaningful and productive minutes at the NHL level yet. Black suggested Redden, I simply commented on it. I'd take a guy like Barker too, or any decent vet, so long as it means not rushing guys like Reinhart, Ness, Donovan, etc.

One final note on Redden, the other aspect of him being suggested is that yes, you take a bad salary, but you would be taking that bad salary back in addition to the Rangers' 2nd rounder or something else to sweeten the deal in return for a low draft pick of our own. Having another second rounder for a team who is limited to building a team through the draft would be beneficial. As for the money, who cares how much Redden makes? He has 1 1/2 years left on that deal. The Isles are barely scraping the salary floor. The salary should mean nothing.
- Jethro09

if for whatever reason the options are ONLY between redden and rushing a dman, ill take redden...luckily this isnt the only scenario.

i disagree about the bold part...id rather have 3 players at $2 million each (or 4 @ 1.5) and hope, gamble, assume that one pans out and in fact does better than redden than actually trading for redden.

subban
franson
kulikov
gilroy (?)
del zotto
barker
foster

If that offer sheet is going to cost 4 first rounders, i agree its not worth it. But i dont agree that they will be top 5 picks. They'll be more like top 20 picks, but, i wouldnt part with 4 first rounders for PK.

Having said all that, see what the Habs would want for him. I dont see any reason why the isles cant give up a prospect and two picks for a proven NHL dman.
- kindlyrick

Trading for Subban is a different story. You may be able to put a package together, but I gotta believe that Strome and a first are a starting point for MTL.

Pretty sure thats Garths job...
- kindlyrick

that is correct, it is garths job...he is the actual general manager.

but considering we are discussing the team and how WE feel the team could improve, i asked SCLI who he would bring in, not sure why you felt to chime in with that brilliant comment.

if for whatever reason the options are ONLY between redden and rushing a dman, ill take redden...luckily this isnt the only scenario.

i disagree about the bold part...id rather have 3 players at $2 million each (or 4 @ 1.5) and hope, gamble, assume that one pans out and in fact does better than redden than actually trading for redden.

subban
franson
kulikov
gilroy (?)
del zotto
barker
foster
- LetsGoIsles

So would I, but my point is that salary is not an issue with the Isles. They have tons of space under the cap, if they ever get a chance to start spending money. From a financial perspective, taking on Redden at $4M this year and $6.5 next year isn't going to prohibit this team from signing other players should the opportunity present itself.

Again, I am not saying I "want" Redden. I do feel that he would be an upgrade over the current candidates for the bottom two spots on "D". I do feel that if the Rangers were willing to throw in a second rounder with Redden in exchange for a sixth and taking his salary, that second rounder would be a nice sweetener. I'd take any of the other guys on your list over Redden in a heartbeat. I just don't see the Isles swinging a trade for Subban or MDZ. One or two of Foster, Barker and Franson would be great.

Trading for Subban is a different story. You may be able to put a package together, but I gotta believe that Strome and a first are a starting point for MTL.
- Jethro09

OK and they can go pound sand if thats what they are asking for. But, there has to be an NHL ready dman who is up for grabs that will not cost Strome.

Heck if Sather was able to get the Habs to take on Gomez' contract, AND get McDonaugh, surely there are GMs out there willing to make deals.

that is correct, it is garths job...he is the actual general manager.

but considering we are discussing the team and how WE feel the team could improve, i asked SCLI who he would bring in, not sure why you felt to chime in with that brilliant comment.
- LetsGoIsles

Because none of us are being paid.........if i was being paid, i'd have a list of every single team in the NHL and their respective rosters. I chimed in because this is an open forum. Wasnt meant to insult you......just having hockey discussions.

That goes without saying. But we should all realize that our roster is no different than last year.


"Insanity : Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
- kindlyrick

Couldn't agree more

I think we have to forget this idea there are no good players for the Isles to trade for. Forget about star players. If Garth with all the propsects and draft picks cannot find some decent talent it's time to call it a day.

that is correct, it is garths job...he is the actual general manager.

but considering we are discussing the team and how WE feel the team could improve, i asked SCLI who he would bring in, not sure why you felt to chime in with that brilliant comment.
- LetsGoIsles

The thing is, how is one supposed to respond to the question? I guess I could throw out a random name...Hjalmarsson. Is he really available? Who the heck knows? Most of the time, the guys that end up getting traded are the ones you never even hear about. A GM is hopefully in a better position to make inquiries and figure out if someone's out there, because your average fan certainly wouldn't know. Before the draft, I'm sure folks would have snickered here if I said, "I think we should trade a second rounder for Visnovsky." There are some teams that have a surplus of D. Buffalo for one. Which of their d-men would be up for grabs though? I have no clue. But it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get on the phone and see before settling for a guy like Redden.

Where is this from? Cause i def agree with it.
- kindlyrick

Me

Because none of us are being paid.........if i was being paid, i'd have a list of every single team in the NHL and their respective rosters. I chimed in because this is an open forum. Wasnt meant to insult you......just having hockey discussions.
- kindlyrick

so youre going to cop out and say you dont have any specific names....