And again, you have 2 yrs max before you have to break it up with at least one of them. And you can't be one of the most dominating without a Dryden...or, even, a Fuhr. At least the Penguins drafted Fleury. DD was/is a reach and there is a lot on the table hoping he pans out this yr and next. And by panning out, i mean, top 12 goalie.
- FLflames34

Id be more worried about this if it were true.

Frankly its not.

Bulin, Hemsky, Horcoff, Smyth money covers them all getting MASSIVE raises, and easily covers a 2.5-3 mill raise they'll most likely get.

They may or may not be traded, like anyone... but cap issues arent an issue, I know you want it to be a problem, but sorry, have a look for yourself.

www.capgeek.com

Komisarek was a healthy scratch multiple time last season as was Franson.
- RichardHertz

which.. is .. a sign of a depth?

franson is an RFA. he is a member of the toronto maple leafs with or without a contract.

fraser? played some playoff games with the eastern conference champions last season? could be a regular on alot of clubs.

ranger hasn't played a game? holzer? should do some research.

having not played an nhl games doesn't translate 4-5 quality prospects at the position into a "thin" blueline
- joel878

Seriously who is Fraser?

Ranger has an AHL contract and wont be in the NHL.

Leafs D has some good prospects, but they are incredibly thin, its not even worth arguing.

which.. is .. a sign of a depth?
- joel878

or that Komisarek sucks

which.. is .. a sign of a depth?
- joel878

lol


yeah you named in the 'nhl regulars' section

Yeah, they are thin... if you think having a bunch of prospects makes you deep... then please pass the bong again.



- robin_steele264

having a bunch of prospects can be considered as deep.. when you have 7 guys who could play in the nhl full time, and another 2-3 fringe nhlers on top of it.

but we can still bypass all that if the prospects are still the only variable in torontos defense being deep, or thin.

it's a debate either way. but it's certainly going to be easier to provide a case for them being deep than it will be to provide a case for the blueline being thin.

you're a smart guy.. you know this. but i'll take the bong anyways..

and you would probably win 2 lottery picks and get Seth and Drouhin you lucky bastards

edit, I meant 3 rd overall
- scoot174

Fixed

Seriously who is Fraser?

Ranger has an AHL contract and wont be in the NHL.

Leafs D has some good prospects, but they are incredibly thin, its not even worth arguing.
- robin_steele264

He's right about this. There was a time when Toronto had a plethora of defenseman where we could afford to include one in every trade proposal. This is no longer the case.

The fact is the depth we once had has been traded away.

Whats the Leafs D look like on game day?

Gardiner out with concussion

Phaneuf/Gunner
Liles/Komi
Holzer/???

Insert a number of rookies....


Looks deep to me.

having a bunch of prospects can be considered as deep.. when you have 7 guys who could play in the nhl full time, and another 2-3 fringe nhlers on top of it.

but we can still bypass all that if the prospects are still the only variable in torontos defense being deep, or thin.

it's a debate either way. but it's certainly going to be easier to provide a case for them being deep than it will be to provide a case for the blueline being thin.

you're a smart guy.. you know this. but i'll take the bong anyways..
- joel878

Well the Oilers defense is really deep too then.

I'd rather see us make a bad deal for a goalie like Khabibulin than watch Luongo poop the bed for a decade or so

Whats the Leafs D look like on game day?

Gardiner out with concussion

Phaneuf/Gunner
Liles/Komi
Holzer/???

Insert a number of rookies....


Looks deep to me.
- robin_steele264

Have to believe Franson will be signed and in the lineup.

Id be more worried about this if it were true.

Frankly its not.

Bulin, Hemsky, Horcoff, Smyth money covers them all getting MASSIVE raises, and easily covers a 2.5-3 mill raise they'll most likely get.

They may or may not be traded, like anyone... but cap issues arent an issue, I know you want it to be a problem, but sorry, have a look for yourself.

www.capgeek.com
- robin_steele264

Well, for those you will lose (likely Gagner also) you have to likely replace with a:
$5-6m goalie (or 3mm raise for DD and a $2-3mm backup)
$14m for, say, 3 top-9 forwards
$4m for a few plumbers
$15-18m to build up d
on top of re-signing each for likely a raise of $4m each. I don't see it possible.
Not trying to be a dik about it, but speaking from the Flames perspective ala mid 00's, signing 5 big contracts significantly handicapped them. Sure, your 5 are better overall, but at least the Flames had their best of the 5 be the goalie.

Seriously who is Fraser?

Ranger has an AHL contract and wont be in the NHL.

Leafs D has some good prospects, but they are incredibly thin, its not even worth arguing.
- robin_steele264

mark fraser.. drafted by new jersey, traded in a deal for kurtis foster to anaheim.. traded to toronto for dale mitchell. has almost 100 career games. like i said, do some research.

ranger has an ahl contract.. like alot of guys out there right now, and can be signed to an nhl contract at any point. point?

"incredibly thin" is a major stretch. it's far from about the prospects. the team is not even close to thin without considering the prospects.

Have to believe Franson will be signed and in the lineup.
- Leafs43

Maybe, seems iffy.

They certainly need him.

Well the Oilers defense is really deep too then.
- robin_steele264

haha, how very grown up of you.

mark fraser.. drafted by new jersey, traded in a deal for kurtis foster to anaheim.. traded to toronto for dale mitchell. has almost 100 career games. like i said, do some research.

ranger has an ahl contract.. like alot of guys out there right now, and can be signed to an nhl contract at any point. point?

"incredibly thin" is a major stretch. it's far from about the prospects. the team is not even close to thin without considering the prospects.
- joel878

Guy played 4 games with the Devils last year.

Most logical leafs fans know the D is weak... might be a surprise to you, but man... get real.

haha, how very grown up of you.


- joel878

Hey, just calling it like it is...


You might think thats a deep D squad you got there... But when you look at what is actually there, it aint pretty.

Grateful.
- laughs2907

Yes....I can tell.

Id be more worried about this if it were true.

Frankly its not.

Bulin, Hemsky, Horcoff, Smyth money covers them all getting MASSIVE raises, and easily covers a 2.5-3 mill raise they'll most likely get.

They may or may not be traded, like anyone... but cap issues arent an issue, I know you want it to be a problem, but sorry, have a look for yourself.

www.capgeek.com
- robin_steele264

Hall (6) / RNH (6) / Eberle (6) = 18 million
Yak (6) / Gagner (4) / Hemsky (5) = 15 million
MPS (1.5) / Lander (1) / Hartikainen (1.5) = 4 million
???? (1) / ???? (1) / ???? (1) = 3 million

Smid (4) / Petry (4) = 8 million
N.Schultz (3) / J.Schultz (6) = 9 million
Klefbom (1.2) / Marincin (800k) = 2 million
Teubert (1) = 1 million

Dubnyk (4)
Roy or Bunz (700k) = 4.7 million

Around 65 million..... it can be done

Guy played 4 games with the Devils last year.

Most logical leafs fans know the D is weak... might be a surprise to you, but man... get real.
- robin_steele264

this is where you being somewhat intelligent comes into play (we all know you're no dummy)

there is actually a difference between being WEAK.. and THIN. toronto has a ton of depth on the bottom two lines, doesn't mean there's to many stallions there.

they have 8 guys with capable nhl experience on their resume's.

another 2-3 who most clubs would consider nhl ready if need be.

a talented prospect pool after those 10-11 guys to back it up.

having DEPTH or being THIN.. is a different debate than being STRONG or WEAK.

Well, for those you will lose (likely Gagner also) you have to likely replace with a:
$5-6m goalie (or 3mm raise for DD and a $2-3mm backup)
$14m for, say, 3 top-9 forwards
$4m for a few plumbers
$15-18m to build up d
on top of re-signing each for likely a raise of $4m each. I don't see it possible.
Not trying to be a dik about it, but speaking from the Flames perspective ala mid 00's, signing 5 big contracts significantly handicapped them. Sure, your 5 are better overall, but at least the Flames had their best of the 5 be the goalie.
- FLflames34

So you think RNH, Yak and Schultz will make 7.75 mill in 2 years?

BTW the Oilers have 43 mill in space 2 years from now.

Your numbers mean nothing, and until this becomes a 'problem'.... its not a problem.

this is where you being somewhat intelligent comes into play (we all know you're no dummy)

there is actually a difference between being WEAK.. and THIN. toronto has a ton of depth on the bottom two lines, doesn't mean there's to many stallions there.

they have 8 guys with capable nhl experience on their resume's.

another 2-3 who most clubs would consider nhl ready if need be.

a talented prospect pool after those 10-11 guys to back it up.

having DEPTH or being THIN.. is a different debate than being STRONG or WEAK.
- joel878

(frank) man, theres like 4 guys with any serious NHL experience....

You cant count guys like Ranger with AHL contracts who wont be in the NHL.

Yeah, theres lots of Dmen in the system... you think 10-11 are NHL ready, well good on you. I disagree.

If you must, fine, they are very deep and very weak.

I hope when the Oilers win the cup, they don't hire fricken' Def Leppard to play the victory party.

I hope when the Oilers win the cup, they don't hire fricken' Def Leppard to play the victory party.
- Maxbone

lol, when

I love this argument about can the Oilers keep this team together...maybe they can, but you are never gonna win a cup with that roster.