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Forums :: Blog World :: Jan Levine: Rangers and the 2013-14 Cap, e.g. the MDZ/Redden Questions
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AlexanderScharf
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.24.2007

Jan 8 @ 2:31 PM ET
Of course, have to immediately start recouping the money lost. Screw the fans of course. Thanks NHL!!!
- gkmkiller

I was hoping they would at least give NHL Gamecenter live so we can watch every game on the website.

Not holding my breath.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 2:34 PM ET
But will be even be interested in getting a high-salary player at the deadline? Do we need more elite scorers or defenseman? If we did want that, it would have to be a rental or else we have cap issues next year. Does anybody fit the bill that will be on the market at the deadline? Do we even have assets we can/want to trade away for an elite rental?

If anything I think we would look for depth (3rd line forward, 3rd pairing defenseman). With 5 mil of cap space, and 6.5 if Sauer goes on LTIR, we could have plenty left over for a deadline deal for a borderline top 6 forward or decent defenseman, especially when the salaries are prorated.

I say we bury Redden this year, buy him out the next. Forget the deadweight 3.25 million caphit.

- Rags2Riches


We are in the dark a little when talking about this issue for several reasons. We don't know the precise rules regarding the trading and retention of cap hits/space? We don't know whether Wade Redden can even play anymore? We don't know whether there will be any interest? And we can't really think of any immediate usage the Rangers would need for the space. But I would venture to guess by the time of the deadline, they will want available space.

I guess we will find out soon on Redden.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Jan 8 @ 2:34 PM ET
The center ice package will be the only NHL related expenditure I make this year.
- Pete V

I have it set up so it's billed automatically. I've checked with Directv but no details are final yet. We'll see.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 2:36 PM ET
I was hoping they would at least give NHL Gamecenter live so we can watch every game on the website.

Not holding my breath.

- Rags2Riches


To provide fans an incentive to buy center ice -- what about $100 of extra cap space being provided to the subscriber's team of choice?
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 3:23 PM ET
http://nyrzone.com/wade-redden-locked-nhl-ahl/

Interesting article from September about Wade Redden, who apparently has some bitter feelings for the way things went down. You have to wonder whether he has made enough money under his Rangers contract to walk away and try to make the NHL again, or whether he is going to want to suck every last dollar out of this contract, which of course, is his right.

Doesn't seem like this guy could ever play for the Rangers again, even if he is marginally better than Bickell or Eminger.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 3:51 PM ET
According to a tweet from Bob McKenzie, the 48 game schedule that the NHL will reveal later this week will be based on this structure:

4 games against TWO divisional opponents
5 games against TWO divisional opponents
3 games against the TEN other conference teams.
Ranger71
New York Rangers
Location: The not so great state of, NJ
Joined: 07.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 4:00 PM ET
They'll be fine with the cap at 64m next year, even with re-signing all the RFA's(Stepan,MCD, Hagelin) and DZ this season(15m total)it'll put them around 65m. Assuming they lose Redden and maybe Rupp it would put them right around 64m. They could swap out a guy like Miller/Fasth which would actually do them more good than Rupp offensively balancing the lower lines, so its a win/win. They just wouldn't be able to sign any FA which isn't a big deal with the roster they have, although they should sign another dman who can shoot for the rest of this year(Campoli, Eaton).
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 4:15 PM ET
http://nyrzone.com/wade-redden-locked-nhl-ahl/

Interesting article from September about Wade Redden, who apparently has some bitter feelings for the way things went down. You have to wonder whether he has made enough money under his Rangers contract to walk away and try to make the NHL again, or whether he is going to want to suck every last dollar out of this contract, which of course, is his right.

Doesn't seem like this guy could ever play for the Rangers again, even if he is marginally better than Bickell or Eminger.

- Pete V


If your Redden, don't you bite your lip for these few months, get bought out to make another cool $5M then go onto an NHL team? That's what I'd do. UNLESS his agent is working the phones right now finding a team that would take him for $2M. Then the $8 M sacrifice might be worth it for a shot at the NHL again.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 4:17 PM ET
According to a tweet from Bob McKenzie, the 48 game schedule that the NHL will reveal later this week will be based on this structure:

4 games against TWO divisional opponents
5 games against TWO divisional opponents
3 games against the TEN other conference teams.

- jimbro83


Not a single game out of the Eastern Time Zone except for Winnipeg, and not a whole lot travel. At least we won't have to stay up late at all this year to watch the Rangers.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 4:18 PM ET
If your Redden, don't you bite your lip for these few months, get bought out to make another cool $5M then go onto an NHL team? That's what I'd do. UNLESS his agent is working the phones right now finding a team that would take him for $2M. Then the $8 M sacrifice might be worth it for a shot at the NHL again.
- mrhattrick27


well, Redden doesn't get 5 million for this year, he gets prorated cash for 48 games, so maybe it's worth it for him to give that up to potentially get his NHL career started again. I guess like 2.8 million, take away 1.2 million in taxes.

This is the kind of stuff Glen Sather (jedi mind trick) should be saying to him
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 4:18 PM ET
Not a single game out of the Eastern Time Zone except for Winnipeg, and not a whole lot travel. At least we won't have to stay up late at all this year to watch the Rangers.
- Pete V


hopefully 2 games at MSG and only one at Lose-a-peg
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 4:20 PM ET
If your Redden, don't you bite your lip for these few months, get bought out to make another cool $5M then go onto an NHL team? That's what I'd do. UNLESS his agent is working the phones right now finding a team that would take him for $2M. Then the $8 M sacrifice might be worth it for a shot at the NHL again.
- mrhattrick27


Apparently he has a very good attitude the past two years in Hartford, but if he is indeed getting bitter, which may even be made worse by this CBA and the fact that it doesn't give him the solution that he wants, do the Rangers really want him around the Whale?

I imagine that they are trying to get a sense where his head is at, because if they can at all avoid it without taking too big of a cap hit, they may not want him around anymore.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
Apparently he has a very good attitude the past two years in Hartford, but if he is indeed getting bitter, which may even be made worse by this CBA and the fact that it doesn't give him the solution that he wants, do the Rangers really want him around the Whale?

I imagine that they are trying to get a sense where his head is at, because if they can at all avoid it without taking too big of a cap hit, they may not want him around anymore.

- Pete V


I mean, I normally am not a guy to purposely (frank) someone over. But I'd have him has a healthy scratch in Hartford. Get $5M (pro-rated) to sit at home and not even get to play in the A. Then he has no hockey. I think that forces a guy to opt out and try for the NHL.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 4:47 PM ET
I mean, I normally am not a guy to purposely (frank) someone over. But I'd have him has a healthy scratch in Hartford. Get $5M (pro-rated) to sit at home and not even get to play in the A. Then he has no hockey. I think that forces a guy to opt out and try for the NHL.
- mrhattrick27


I don't want the Rangers to pull that bush league stuff. I want future free agents to hold the Rangers in high esteem by the fact that they treat people well, and I am sure there is some solution that can be reached that doesn't involved personally screwing with this guy anymore than he already has been.

I'm not suggesting that the Rangers didn't do the right move my demoting him, because they had an obligation to the organization as a whole to fix that mistake without hamstringing the organizations ability to win, but still, isn't about time we cut this guy a break, rather than trying to figure out further ways to screw him?
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 4:47 PM ET
According to a tweet from Bob McKenzie, the 48 game schedule that the NHL will reveal later this week will be based on this structure:

4 games against TWO divisional opponents
5 games against TWO divisional opponents
3 games against the TEN other conference teams.

- jimbro83


So 5 games vs. Devs and Isles I'd imagine as to play to the Rivalries.
Devs get us and Flyers extra
Flyers get Pens and Devs extra
Isles get Pens and us extra
Pens get Isles and Flyers extra.

Book it.

Like you said, hopefully we only venture to the Peg once, as well as Florida, TB, Carolina, and Ottawa. As little travel as possible.. Hell if that happened they'd ride a bus everywhere rather than flying
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 4:48 PM ET
So 5 games vs. Devs and Isles I'd imagine as to play to the Rivalries.
Devs get us and Flyers extra
Flyers get Pens and Devs extra
Isles get Pens and us extra
Pens get Isles and Flyers extra.

Book it.

Like you said, hopefully we only venture to the Peg once, as well as Florida, TB, Carolina, and Ottawa. As little travel as possible.. Hell if that happened they'd ride a bus everywhere rather than flying

- mrhattrick27


I hope
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 4:49 PM ET
I don't want the Rangers to pull that bush league stuff. I want future free agents to hold the Rangers in high esteem by the fact that they treat people well, and I am sure there is some solution that can be reached that doesn't involved personally screwing with this guy anymore than he already has been.

I'm not suggesting that the Rangers didn't do the right move my demoting him, because they had an obligation to the organization as a whole to fix that mistake without hamstringing the organizations ability to win, but still, isn't about time we cut this guy a break, rather than trying to figure out further ways to screw him?

- Pete V


Unfortunately you're right. Maybe they just agree on a fresh start and part ways? I think with the lockout and teams desperate to fill out rosters in a 10 day span that this is the best chance for Wade to get back into the league.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 4:50 PM ET
I hope
- jimbro83


When can we expect a schedule? Saturday?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 8 @ 4:57 PM ET
When can we expect a schedule? Saturday?
- mrhattrick27


maybe friday I heard
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 5:02 PM ET
maybe friday I heard
- jimbro83


So again, with Richards we are (frank)ed.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...eals-and-more-cba-details

EDIT: By this Calculation. We save $17 Mil in Cap on the first 6 years. Then it drops to $1M per seasom (from $7M). You ahve to assume, he then retires. If so that $17 M gets spread across the remaining 3 years, thus leaving us with $5.6M in cap penalties per year for 3 years.

I think its bullpoop they aren't grandfathering those in when they were fair and legal earlier.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jan 8 @ 5:07 PM ET
So again, with Richards we are (frank)ed.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...eals-and-more-cba-details

- mrhattrick27


That reads really funny if you assume the censor has kicked in.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jan 8 @ 5:11 PM ET
So again, with Richards we are (frank)ed.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...eals-and-more-cba-details

EDIT: By this Calculation. We save $17 Mil in Cap on the first 6 years. Then it drops to $1M per seasom (from $7M). You ahve to assume, he then retires. If so that $17 M gets spread across the remaining 3 years, thus leaving us with $5.6M in cap penalties per year for 3 years.

I think its bullpoop they aren't grandfathering those in when they were fair and legal earlier.

- mrhattrick27

well to be fair, the NHL did warn people way in advance that teams that gave out these contracts were going to be punished strictly in the next CBA.

i hate to say it but it almost makes sense to use that 2nd buyout on richards.....
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 8 @ 5:15 PM ET
well to be fair, the NHL did warn people way in advance that teams that gave out these contracts were going to be punished strictly in the next CBA.

i hate to say it but it almost makes sense to use that 2nd buyout on richards.....

- rangerdanger94


Again, think we are all jumping ahead here. Let's see how the year plays out and how these guys perform together. Maybe Nash blows? Maybe Gabby blows? Maybe they are all good but Kreider and Stepan are SO good it makes it ok to part with 1 to keep the core. Maybe someone is desperate for a goalie and Biron is dealt opening up cap space next year. Maybe DZ signs for cheaper than we thought. Maybe Redden is talked otu fo his contract and we have 2 buyout options.

Too many question marks to speculate a "full" season ahead of time. Some will be answered next 10 days (DZ, Redden, etc.).
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 5:16 PM ET
well to be fair, the NHL did warn people way in advance that teams that gave out these contracts were going to be punished strictly in the next CBA.

i hate to say it but it almost makes sense to use that 2nd buyout on richards.....

- rangerdanger94


Guys, seriously! The Rangers have built this team to try to win a Cup over the next 3-5 years. Richards was a prime acquisition in that strategy to try to shore up the center ice position. He is more than capable of giving us 5-6 good years, as many players play at high level until they are in their late 30s. Why on gods green earth would the Rangers diminish their chances of winning a Cup within the next few years, because they are worried about the salary cap effects of Richards contract in 2019 and 2020? The World can hit my a meteor by then. Let's just try to win a damn Cup within the next 3-4 years, and we can complain about Richards contract in 2019, when the salary cap might be approaching $100 million dollars anyway.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 8 @ 5:20 PM ET
Guys, seriously! The Rangers have built this team to try to win a Cup over the next 3-5 years. Richards was a prime acquisition in that strategy to try to shore up the center ice position. He is more than capable of giving us 5-6 good years, as many players play at high level until they are in their late 30s. Why on gods green earth would the Rangers diminish their chances of winning a Cup within the next few years, because they are worried about the salary cap effects of Richards contract in 2019 and 2020? The World can hit my a meteor by then. Let's just try to win a damn Cup within the next 3-4 years, and we can complain about Richards contract in 2019, when the salary cap might be approaching $100 million dollars anyway.
- Pete V


the team will tire of torts by april and begin to tune him out
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