thanks for illustrating my point. at 40 years old, 5 years ago is an eternity. If someone said to you, 5 years ago look at Rolston's numbers, would you give up anything of value for him now? Yeah I didn't think so.
- Isles_since_6

Didn't illustrate your point in any way. In fact in absolutely no way. Are you one of those make pretend people that comes on here and make pretend to make a point even when you don't? Roloson was worth more than Wishart and every freaking person on the planet knew it except for you. The trade was panned from the onset. Sorry you are so ill informed and have zero knowledge of the very team you are commenting on. How could you not be aware of this? You must have heard something? I thought all of you Canadians knew a lot about hockey?

I have a name for you, Brad Boyes...
- Cptmjl

I hate the acquisition of Boyes. Especially in the slot he's expected to fit into. I don't believe he'll reclaim his scoring touch and I don't believe he's even worth fitting into a third line role.

I'd much rather have seen Nino given a shot there or on the second line, with Okposo sliding up to play with JT. I'd like to see a vet brought in by trade but I'm not quite sure what they'd part with, if it costs NHL talent we're swapping deck chairs on the titanic. If it's a prospect not named strome, reinhart or niederreiter I'm interested, but I highly doubt they'd be able to keep them all.

I always love this line. That's what you're suppose to do when you suck balls every year. Its like saying my garbage man does an excellent job because he takes away the garbage I leave out to be taken.
- Vukota

Exactly. I actually would expect more than what we have at this point and certainly would have hoped to have shown some improvement? This team has not progressed.

Didn't illustrate your point in any way. In fact in absolutely no way. Are you one of those make pretend people that comes on here and make pretend to make a point even when you don't? Rolston was worth more than Wishart and every freaking person on the planet knew it except for you. The trade was panned from the onset. Sorry you are so ill informed and have zero knowledge of the very team you are commenting on. How could you not be aware of this? You must have heard something? I thought all of you Canadians knew a lot about hockey?
- Cptmjl

you confuse me. You used the example of roloson's play 5 years ago as why you think he was worth something, yet that doesn't apply to what I asked? Roloson was worth next to nothing. You may disagree, but I don't recall anyone saying wishart wasn't enough for a 40 year old goaltender who looked crappy quite often.

name the good one(s).
Trades....not waiver pick ups...so Nabby doesn't count.
Don't forget he also let PAP walk away when it was pretty obvious the season was over. Add in LV and that's two draft picks we "lost" for nothing.
He also took Rolston at $5M from LouLam.


He's proven he doesn't have the saavy to out-maneuver another GM.
He isn't capable of "selling" the team/LI to decent FA's and moving up in the draft to acquire deHaan will prove to be another waste when his weak shoulders keep him from ever making the team full time.
- jmo16

What draft pick exactly did we lose for PA?

I hate the acquisition of Boyes. Especially in the slot he's expected to fit into. I don't believe he'll reclaim his scoring touch and I don't believe he's even worth fitting into a third line role.

I'd much rather have seen Nino given a shot there or on the second line, with Okposo sliding up to play with JT. I'd like to see a vet brought in by trade but I'm not quite sure what they'd part with, if it costs NHL talent we're swapping deck chairs on the titanic. If it's a prospect not named strome, reinhart or niederreiter I'm interested, but I highly doubt they'd be able to keep them all.
- Isles_since_6

Why? They have plenty of money because all they do is shop at the dollar store.

you confuse me. You used the example of roloson's play 5 years ago as why you think he was worth something, yet that doesn't apply to what I asked? Roloson was worth next to nothing. You may disagree, but I don't recall anyone saying wishart wasn't enough for a 40 year old goaltender who looked crappy quite often.
- Isles_since_6

I hate to break it to you but at the time of the trade Roloson was playing extremely well especially with the crap playing in front of him. What happened after he was traded is a different story.

Exactly. I actually would expect more than what we have at this point and certainly would have hoped to have shown some improvement? This team has not progressed.
- Cptmjl

Exactly!! What's going to be the excuse when 80% of these prospects don't turn out to be what everybody expected? What will be the excuse then?

you confuse me. You used the example of roloson's play 5 years ago as why you think he was worth something, yet that doesn't apply to what I asked? Roloson was worth next to nothing. You may disagree, but I don't recall anyone saying wishart wasn't enough for a 40 year old goaltender who looked crappy quite often.
- Isles_since_6

You re avoiding the meat of my post which answers my question that I asked. Plenty of people panned that trade when it happened. The guy played good for us and even better for Tampa in the playoffs. Didn't you see? That's what happened... Reality.

I will agree ha hasn't shown any ability to out maneuver another GM.. but he hasn't really made any maneuverable trades.

PAP walking is as I have said before... Inexcusable!!

No one has been capable to sell the team to free agents. Even as far back as the early 90's when we had some good teams.. players didn't want to sign here.

The jury is still out on deHaan but he does seem "slightly" Injury prone.


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- XxNYIxX

xXx. How deep is your tongue buried into your Cheek?

Exactly!! What's going to be the excuse when 80% of these prospects don't turn out to be what everybody expected? What will be the excuse then?
- Vukota

The usual this is Snow's year comments, etc, etc...

I hate to break it to you but at the time of the trade Roloson was playing extremely well especially with the crap playing in front of him. What happened after he was traded is a different story.
- Vukota[/quote]
The guy had a nice run with them and crapped the bed the following year. They still got something from him we haven't had in years, decades... Any fan or Yzerman would tell anyone they'd do that trade over again and the same way.

The usual this is Snow's year comments, etc, etc...
- Cptmjl

I wish the reporters followed the Isles like they do the Jets. These guys would get destroyed everyday!!

[quote=Vukota]I hate to break it to you but at the time of the trade Roloson was playing extremely well especially with the crap playing in front of him. What happened after he was traded is a different story.
- Cptmjl[/quote]
The guy had a nice run with them and crapped the bed the following year. They still got something from him we haven't had in years, decades...

I meant the following season

I meant the following season
- Vukota

I figured you did. As I stated, still worth it

I hate to break it to you but at the time of the trade Roloson was playing extremely well especially with the crap playing in front of him. What happened after he was traded is a different story.
- Vukota

Do you remember that Roloson asked for a trade and that he was one making the comments about the country club locker room? He had to go. He's a 40 year old goaltender that was not going to be able to play at that level much longer. To his credit, he played well for Tampa that year. Last year he had an .886 save percentage. Shelf life was almost expired, locker room cancer, removed. At the time, wishart was regarded as a prospect who had not developed as expected but was still fairly well regarded. If anything that trade's a wash.

When a player demands a trade you rarely ever get anything of value in return. If he's a locker room cancer, you tend to just want to get rid of him. See Phanoef.

I wish the reporters followed the Isles like they do the Jets. These guys would get destroyed everyday!!
- Vukota

And some guys on here would be upset that the mean reporters were picking on Snow. He's incredible, just ask him.

Exactly!! What's going to be the excuse when 80% of these prospects don't turn out to be what everybody expected? What will be the excuse then?
- Vukota

There is no excuse. Most prospects don't turn out to be what they were projected to be. More than a few of de Haan, Donovan, Nino, Nelson, Strome, Reinhart, Kabanov, and others will turn out to either not be what they were billed as, or be a total, useless bust.

Blaming anyone for the unfortunate facts would just be asinine.

Do you remember that Roloson asked for a trade and that he was one making the comments about the country club locker room? He had to go. He's a 40 year old goaltender that was not going to be able to play at that level much longer. To his credit, he played well for Tampa that year. Last year he had an .886 save percentage. Shelf life was almost expired, locker room cancer, removed. At the time, wishart was regarded as a prospect who had not developed as expected but was still fairly well regarded. If anything that trade's a wash.

When a player demands a trade you rarely ever get anything of value in return. If he's a locker room cancer, you tend to just want to get rid of him. See Phanoef.
- Isles_since_6

Locker room cancer? More like a competitor who didn't want to play on a team that was so obviously mailing it in every night. Come on, you watched that crap

You re avoiding the meat of my post which answers my question that I asked. Plenty of people panned that trade when it happened. The guy played good for us and even better for Tampa in the playoffs. Didn't you see? That's what happened... Reality.
- Cptmjl

what's the meat of your post? where you take shots at me personally? Get stuffed if you think I give a crap about that, I'm debating hockey. If you decide you want this to get personal we take a different tact.

Do you remember that Roloson asked for a trade and that he was one making the comments about the country club locker room? He had to go. He's a 40 year old goaltender that was not going to be able to play at that level much longer. To his credit, he played well for Tampa that year. Last year he had an .886 save percentage. Shelf life was almost expired, locker room cancer, removed. At the time, wishart was regarded as a prospect who had not developed as expected but was still fairly well regarded. If anything that trade's a wash.

When a player demands a trade you rarely ever get anything of value in return. If he's a locker room cancer, you tend to just want to get rid of him. See Phanoef.
- Isles_since_6

He was a locker room cancer because he called out his team and the way the franchise operated?? I wish more players had the balls to stand up to wang and the way this team is run, then maybe they wouldn't suck year after year.

I didn't mind the trade because he was an older asset and the team sucked, but getting wishart back was brutal no matter how old the goalie was

Locker room cancer? More like a competitor who didn't want to play on a team that was so obviously mailing it in every night. Come on, you watched that crap
- Cptmjl

go back and read the comments from then. I do agree, the team was absolute crap, I don't deny that at all. It was his comments that got him moved before the deadline.

He was a locker room cancer because he called out his team and the way the franchise operated?? I wish more players had the balls to stand up to wang and the way this team is run, then maybe they wouldn't suck year after year.

I didn't mind the trade because he was an older asset and the team sucked, but getting wishart back was brutal no matter how old the goalie was
- Vukota

I agree with you that wishart now, is worth absolutely less than nothing and would likely be waived without a claim. At the time, it was a wash, now both teams have nothing.

I'm absolutely not claiming he's an asset, he plays like the friendly giant stickhandling a hand grenade, but at the time, it was a large dman prospect who could skate.

There is no excuse. Most prospects don't turn out to be what they were projected to be. More than a few of de Haan, Donovan, Nino, Nelson, Strome, Reinhart, Kabanov, and others will turn out to either not be what they were billed as, or be a total, useless bust.

Blaming anyone for the unfortunate facts would just be asinine.
- eichiefs9

You are correct, more turn out to be busts than not. Hence why I'm not high on some of these B prospects that people go nuts for. GM's still will be judged on who they draft especially one that's "rebuilding" a team.

Exactly!! What's going to be the excuse when 80% of these prospects don't turn out to be what everybody expected? What will be the excuse then?
- Vukota

A majority of prospects don't work out. Less than 1% of all hockey players ever make the NHL.

You use the prospects to build your team.

I know everybody wants them to build the team through free agency... but then you guys tell me nobody will sign on the Island.

You can't have it both ways.

If people can't see this team heading in the right direction... then they really need to step back and look @ the big picture!!!