I hope Burke stays the course.. Walk away from Luongo.. People compare to how well he did with Florida. Sure he was a younger goaltender back then with much better reflexes.. His mouth attitude and play in the finals against Boston kind of damaged him in my mind.. I thikn the key to this team is Carlyle getting the players to buy into this defensice system which should make no matter who is in net look some better. Ride the wave with Reimer/Scrivens.. Sure it will be a tough year.. But it is only a half season.
- Popcorn Kid

To think there is no pressure on Burke to make the playoffs at this point would be pretty foolish. His record most likely doesn't impress much people in the Leafs org.

Yeah, but Vancity is too scared to reply to me, so I'm forced to ask you.

Is the guarantee in the new CBA? Fehr agreed to it?

More importantly, is MJL down with it?
- Atomic Wedgie

Maybe he didn't answer because he was not sure what you are asking.I know I have no clu of what you are asking?

No reason why we should have to give up Kadri if Lu is to be acquired

Both the nucks and the Leafs. Leafs would get dinged approx. 2 mil per season for each year remaining assuming he plays till he is 40.
- faceto27

How is the 2M calculated? Is that a cap hit penalty as well?

How is the 2M calculated? Is that a cap hit penalty as well?
- gravyface

If Luo retired early both the Nucks and any team trading for him would have a cap hit until the contract ends...

No reason why we should have to give up Kadri if Lu is to be acquired
- AngryWhiteMale

Burke won't give up Kadri...now is not the time to give up on a prospect like him who's just starting to become more comfortable playing pro hockey.

To think there is no pressure on Burke to make the playoffs at this point would be pretty foolish. His record most likely doesn't impress much people in the Leafs org.
- Pecafan Fan

Oh there is definitely pressure on him.. But I think trading any young assets for Luongo is taking a step back and just doing more of the same old.. Bring in the vets to just get by.. Like Burke has said in the past (if ya believe him) he could have traded for vets at deadlines for picks/prospects to make playoffs but that isnt the course he wants.. Doesnt' want to just make the playoffs.. Now I know his job is on the line.. But I think this trade will not help in the long run..

Burke won't give up Kadri...now is not the time to give up on a prospect like him who's just starting to become more comfortable playing pro hockey.
- p_zub

That Ava isn't an improvement.. ....

Just so we're all on the same page while we debate this all day/week/season. Lou has 5.5 yrs left at his big salary (6.7). He'll be 38 yrs old in the that 2017/18 season. So at age 39 he'll have the decision to come back and earn 3.3 for the next year or retire. At age 40 that decision is 1.6 or retire. i don't know what he'll do but I think it's pretty obvious that he'll hang 'em up by 40 ...maybe even 39.

Retires at 40 - Leafs hit with 3 year cap penalty of 2.1; Nucks 3 yr of 2.0
Retires at 39 - Leafs hit with 4 year cap penalty of 2.1; Nucks 4 yr of 1.5

Also ....the longer the Nucks keep him (ie. if they keep him this season) the higher their portion of the penalty.

Also ...if Lou plays those 7 years (or beyond) ...that'll carry into the next CBA and maybe a new round of buyouts.

if you believe he's a top caliber starter and can be so for the next 5.5 years then the money and cap hit shouldn't be what kills the deal. It should bring the price down though.

If Luo retired early both the Nucks and any team trading for him would have a cap hit until the contract ends...
- Fruitcakenipple

Yeah, but what's the hit? How's it calculated? As per Capgeek, Lou has a cap hit of 5.3M until he's 43. So if he retires at 40, how does that get split between TO and VAN?

They can keep Kadri.
- Zoolander

Great.

Please keep Luongo.

Just so we're all on the same page while we debate this all day/week/season. Lou has 5.5 yrs left at his big salary (6.7). He'll be 38 yrs old in the that 2017/18 season. So at age 39 he'll have the decision to come back and earn 3.3 for the next year or retire. At age 40 that decision is 1.6 or retire. i don't know what he'll do but I think it's pretty obvious that he'll hang 'em up by 40 ...maybe even 39.

Retires at 40 - Leafs hit with 3 year cap penalty of 2.1; Nucks 3 yr of 2.0
Retires at 39 - Leafs hit with 4 year cap penalty of 2.1; Nucks 4 yr of 1.5

Also ....the longer the Nucks keep him (ie. if they keep him this season) the higher their portion of the penalty.

Also ...if Lou plays those 7 years (or beyond) ...that'll carry into the next CBA and maybe a new round of buyouts.

if you believe he's a top caliber starter and can be so for the next 5.5 years then the money and cap hit shouldn't be what kills the deal. It should bring the price down though.
- The Law

I agree.

Yeah, but what's the hit? How's it calculated? As per Capgeek, Lou has a cap hit of 5.3M until he's 43. So if he retires at 40, how does that get split between TO and VAN?
- gravyface

Its complicated, but there are a number of links in the thread that explain. Roughly about 2 and a half million each team.

Yeah, but what's the hit? How's it calculated? As per Capgeek, Lou has a cap hit of 5.3M until he's 43. So if he retires at 40, how does that get split between TO and VAN?
- gravyface

its a long calculated process based on how long he's played in Vancouver and which year he retires. There is a formula. The amount would vary from year to year depending how long Vancouver keeps him, and when he would retire.

Oh there is definitely pressure on him.. But I think trading any young assets for Luongo is taking a step back and just doing more of the same old.. Bring in the vets to just get by.. Like Burke has said in the past (if ya beleive him) he could have traded for vets at deadlines for picks/prospects to mkae playoffs but that isnt the course he wants.. Doesnt' want to just make the playoffs.. Now I know his job is on the line.. But I think this trade will not help in the long run..
- Popcorn Kid

You guys want Miller?

Contract is up after 2013/14 season.

To think there is no pressure on Burke to make the playoffs at this point would be pretty foolish. His record most likely doesn't impress much people in the Leafs org.
- Pecafan Fan

Yes. Like the Habs and their pressure to go out and get Kaberle?

How did that work out for you.

There is pressure, but there is also pressure to not make the mistakes of the past. IE young assets for mid 30 year olds.

Yeah, but what's the hit? How's it calculated? As per Capgeek, Lou has a cap hit of 5.3M until he's 43. So if he retires at 40, how does that get split between TO and VAN?
- gravyface

http://mapleleafshotstove...e-risk-roberto-luongo/?ut


Worst case scenario is Luongo retiring at 39 or 40 and the Leafs incurring a $2 million and change cap hit for a retired player for the following three or four years. Best case is Luongo performing well until retirement at age 41 and only costing $1.3 million on the cap for two more years.

That Ava isn't an improvement.. ....
- Fruitcakenipple

"Wow this is so crazy....You could barely fit JVR's name on the back of that jersey....."

Oh there is definitely pressure on him.. But I think trading any young assets for Luongo is taking a step back and just doing more of the same old.. Bring in the vets to just get by.. Like Burke has said in the past (if ya beleive him) he could have traded for vets at deadlines for picks/prospects to mkae playoffs but that isnt the course he wants.. Doesnt' want to just make the playoffs.. Now I know his job is on the line.. But I think this trade will not help in the long run..
- Popcorn Kid

I don't think getting Luongo would cost THAT much.

"Wow this is so crazy....You could barely fit JVR's name on the back of that jersey....."
- p_zub

Ya it amazes me how people seem to think that another 5 years without playoffs is acceptable for ownership.

Hell, ownership, and the fans want playoff hockey this year.

Simple fact
- faceto27

Sure they do, they do every year. Also want a cup.

Making the playoffs shouldn't be the goal.

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/01/08/better-know-the-risk-roberto-luongo/?ut


Worst case scenario is Luongo retiring at 39 or 40 and the Leafs incurring a $2 million and change cap hit for a retired player for the following three or four years. Best case is Luongo performing well until retirement at age 41 and only costing $1.3 million on the cap for two more years.
- Fruitcakenipple

Ah, good MLHS. Terrible forums, but their content beats the hell out of Aug's rehash copy/paste parties any day.

So @DarrenDreger reports Gardiner may be a while in his recovery. Do Leafs audition Rielly in regular season games in his spot? Both are LD.

So @DarrenDreger reports Gardiner may be a while in his recovery. Do Leafs audition Rielly in regular season games in his spot? Both are LD.
- faceto27

If he has a good camp, I don't see why not. That was the plan with Gardiner, and we all know how that ended up.