Trying to see what it's like having sex with a fat chick?
- jbold

Burke can be a bonehead but there is no way that he doesn't see them as problems and there is no way he thinks he's doing a wonderful job when he's drafting 5th overall. He knows his team sucks and he knows the problems. But he also knows there's little he can do about it unless he starts selling the future.

What could possibly push him to finally do that? Oh wait, maybe getting fired?
- Two_For_Truth

Okay...I'll play...

How long do you think Burke has until he gets fired?

What part of Burke's past makes you suggest he's going to trade away the assets he's acquired over 5 years just to "save his job"?
- Pen15

Burke never makes big trades to make immediate impacts on his teams.

Never.

Phenomenal: Very remarkable; uncommon; extraordinary

Seeing as literally hundreds (perhaps thousands) of goalies have passed through the NHL during the years, and we remember him as amongst the top 40 or 50, I'd say that he is "very remarkable".

Become one of the 5 best in your generation at anything and I'd say that pretty "uncommon" or "extraordinary" (meaning "beyond the ordinary").

Yes, Curtis Joseph was a phenomenal goalie.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I don't think he's worthy of the HHOF. To me, he's a step below.

Having said that, my biggest criticism of the HHOF is that it rewards guys who were above average for a very long period of time. Cujo fits that bill perfectly.

If he does get in, I hope Mike Gartner helps him slip on his HHOF blazer. Another guy who got in strictly because he hung around for so long.

Phenomenal: Very remarkable; uncommon; extraordinary

Seeing as literally hundreds (perhaps thousands) of goalies have passed through the NHL during the years, and we remember him as amongst the top 40 or 50, I'd say that he is "very remarkable".

Become one of the 5 best in your generation at anything and I'd say that pretty "uncommon" or "extraordinary" (meaning "beyond the ordinary").

Yes, Curtis Joseph was a phenomenal goalie.
- Leeman4Gilmour

In any playoff series, I'd be comfortable with him in goal. Especially if I was a team facing 30 plus shots a game.

Glad you didn't say a word about Kopitar, Doughty or Quick. I wonder why.

It's funny though, you will try to bring up the Kings in that they won the Cup from 8th place and yet have absolutely no leg to stand on when comparing them to the Leafs because the Leafs don't even have a quarter of the home grown talent the Kings had.
- Two_For_Truth

Because perhaps I don't see this as an all-or-nothing strategy?

You can draft well (keeping in mind that neither Kopitar, 11th overall, nor Quick, 72nd overall, were acquired by "tanking") and supplement that with smart trades and free agent signings.

And, yes, sometimes it is better to trade away young assets and draft picks for veterans. Ask Anaheim or LA.

See, the problem is that you have a tough time admitting that the other side might have just a teensy bit of the truth. We're not all as dug-in to our positions as you are.

Trying to see what it's like having sex with a fat chick?
- jbold

I would have assumed that the moose would have preferred to be on top?

Burke never makes big trades to make immediate impacts on his teams.

Never.
- Two_For_Truth

Name one time Burke made a massive trade to "save his job" that ended up crippling a franchise in future years after his departure...

One time...just one example.

I'll wait.

...and then fire him too...

UG and his vicioius cycles.
- Pen15

"Fire Burke. Our goalies suck. And the team sucks."



"I hope Burke gets fired if he trades prospects that wont really amount to anything in the NHL, for a proven starting goaltender (Luongo)".


"Fire Burke. He didnt bring back Robbie Earl".

I would have assumed that the moose would have preferred to be on top?
- The Law

I would have assumed the fan didnt want to lose his life

Burke never makes big trades to make immediate impacts on his teams.

Never.
- Two_For_Truth

In Toronto, hmmm, the last one was Versteeg, and before that it was Kessel.

I guess you can count Phaneuf, but he didn't give up any youth in that deal, and as for the Versteeg deal, the younger pieces weren't really that good. Stalhbergs older.

In Toronto, hmmm, the last one was Versteeg, and before that it was Kessel.

I guess you can count Phaneuf, but he didn't give up any youth in that deal, and as for the Versteeg deal, the younger pieces weren't really that good. Stalhbergs older.
- mykokes

Nope...those trades aren't valid given his argument, which is:

"Burke will make an impact trade to SAVE HIS JOB".

In all the trades you listed above, not one time was Burke's job on the line.

The World Record Moose - 75" wide & 36 points - Over 2,300 lbs - 350 yards shot






imagine your car hitting that thing?
- jbold

so the animal has to be killed

Nope...those trades aren't valid given his argument, which is:

"Burke will make an impact trade to SAVE HIS JOB".

In all the trades you listed above, not one time was Burke's job on the line.
- Pen15

Isn't every trade to save a GM's job, though? If you really think about it.

Name one time Burke made a massive trade to "save his job" that ended up crippling a franchise in future years after his departure...

One time...just one example.

I'll wait.
- Pen15

Ironically, many of his biggest blockbuster trades have actually all brought the average age of his teams down.

The series of deals to land the Sedins at 2 and 3. Stajan and White for Phaneuf. Beauchemin for Gardiner and Lupul. Versteeg, Ponikarovsky, Stemniak, Antropov for picks. Kaberle for Colborne, a first, and a second.

The only time he traded a big name to get older was Pronger from Edmonton for prospects (and I'd say that worked out alright) and the Kessel deal, in which he traded picks for a highly-touted 20 year old.

Nope...those trades aren't valid given his argument, which is:

"Burke will make an impact trade to SAVE HIS JOB".

In all the trades you listed above, not one time was Burke's job on the line.
- Pen15

I was referring to the immediate impact part.

Okay...I'll play...

How long do you think Burke has until he gets fired?
- Pen15

10 minutes.

Isn't every trade to save a GM's job, though? If you really think about it.
- jbold

I guess in a phylosophical (sp) sense you're right.

But the point UG is making is that Burke is going to pull the trigger on an impact trade because he's desparate to save his job (i.e., cue Luongo conversation).

My challenge to him, is to provide one time in his history, Burke has made a disadvantaged trade that cripples a franchise, but saves his job in the short term.

I'm still waiting.

I was referring to the immediate impact part.
- mykokes

Fair enough.

And I agree, most of his trades are impact trades...but they're not based on the premise of "saving" his job.

And I don't think any trade thus far (excluding the kessel deal which is debatable) has turned out bad for the Leafs.

Phenomenal: Very remarkable; uncommon; extraordinary

Seeing as literally hundreds (perhaps thousands) of goalies have passed through the NHL during the years, and we remember him as amongst the top 40 or 50, I'd say that he is "very remarkable".

Become one of the 5 best in your generation at anything and I'd say that pretty "uncommon" or "extraordinary" (meaning "beyond the ordinary").

Yes, Curtis Joseph was a phenomenal goalie.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Nope. Joseph wasn't even top five of his generation. Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour and Barasso / Vernon all have him beat through the 90s with Cups, Vezinas and Conn Smythes.

I don't think Burke sees them as problems. I think Burke thinks he's doing a wonderful job.

I think Burke won't listen to anyone telling him what to do. Especially those telling him what he has done so far is wrong.
- Atomic Wedgie

Burkie didn't look to pleased with the team or himself during the "truck off the cliff" speach or the two weeks of hiding he went into during that spin.

Because perhaps I don't see this as an all-or-nothing strategy?

You can draft well (keeping in mind that neither Kopitar, 11th overall, nor Quick, 72nd overall, were acquiring by "tanking") and supplement that with smart trades and free agent signings.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And how do they get Richards without drafting Schenn 5th overall? With magic? Doughty? 2nd overall? Magic?

And, yes, sometimes it is better to trade away young assets and draft picks for veterans. Ask Anaheim or LA.

See, the problem is that you have a tough time admitting that the other side might have just a teensy bit of the truth. We're not all as dug-in to our positions as you are.

The problem you have is realizing that teams that trade youth for immediate results are at a very distant stage of the process compared to the Leafs. When you figure that out, maybe you'll be on the right page.

Nope. Joseph wasn't even top five of his generation. Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour and Barasso / Vernon all have him beat through the 90s with Cups, Vezinas and Conn Smythes.
- Two_For_Truth

As we all know, those are the only indicators of talent.

Sundin never won anything, either. Nor did Salming, Sittler, or Lafontaine.

Ironically, many of his biggest blockbuster trades have actually all brought the average age of his teams down.

The series of deals to land the Sedins at 2 and 3. Stajan and White for Phaneuf. Beauchemin for Gardiner and Lupul. Versteeg, Ponikarovsky, Stemniak, Antropov for picks.

The only time he traded a big name to get older was Pronger from Edmonton for prospects (and I'd say that worked out alright) and the Kessel deal, in which he traded picks for a highly-touted 20 year old.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Yup. That's been BB's MO.

He tends to stockpile young talent until it's time to make a move and contend for a cup - and then he goes out and lands the 30yr old vets that'll get you over the top.

Suggesting that he'll all of a sudden do the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what he's done his entire career is absolutely unfounded, and frankly - moronic.

Nice.

I find that's just a little too fruity (and I mean that in terms of taste, not manliness) for me.

Try Magic Hat #9 - the Beer Store is now carrying it in 6 packs.
- Atomic Wedgie

Which brewer?