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tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 4 @ 10:10 AM ET
As I mentionned above, I know it's cheap to blame the guy in goal ........but in this case he is the guy to blame.
- Alexzanki

Yeah but as I said earlier, 3 out of the 4 goals Subban gave up were not his fault. Both McCabe goals and the Gaudreau goals were unstoppable.
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:11 AM ET
the first goal had eyes, it was pure luck that it found the net.

but yeah not good back checking, nobody skating, everyone watching the puck.

- Neiler


that first goals was a terribly scrambly play right from the go when Subban got to straying from the net. All 5 Can players were caught below the dots.

I do not blame subban too much on 3 of the goals, but on 1 of them I am not sure he was communicating enough with his D when he was screened.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 4 @ 10:12 AM ET
You mean www.NHL.com, a website I haven't gone to since June. It still should have had television coverage, especially if the game of hockey is to have any traction in the big USA market.
- GregMorris

no the Nhl network, a tv channel on most cable providers in the united states. NHL network broadcasted every USA, Canada and Russia game.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:12 AM ET
As a life long Leaf fan, old enough to have watched four cups!!, I have
To tell you that your blogs are a joy to read, Travis Yost a distant second.
Your take on both the CBA crap and the WJC's is bang on...
Spott et al are a joke ...he looks like a cross between Gollum and Honey Boo Boo
And his fixation for his buttboy Murphy is enough to make you blush

BTW we have a PP specialist...the best in the country ....his name
Is Rielly and his ass has been stapled, by Spott, to the bench while
The human pilon, DOUGIE (dont call me Doug) Hamilton and the masturbating
Machine ( I only want to play with myself) Murphy piss away opportunities

Too bad , there are some good boys on the squad....

- robbies


I did not think Rielly looked very strong in his own end. Do you really think they would have given up less goals if Rielly had more ice time?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 4 @ 10:15 AM ET
As a life long Leaf fan, old enough to have watched four cups!!, I have
To tell you that your blogs are a joy to read, Travis Yost a distant second.
Your take on both the CBA crap and the WJC's is bang on...
Spott et al are a joke ...he looks like a cross between Gollum and Honey Boo Boo
And his fixation for his buttboy Murphy is enough to make you blush

BTW we have a PP specialist...the best in the country ....his name
Is Rielly and his ass has been stapled, by Spott, to the bench while
The human pilon, DOUGIE (dont call me Doug) Hamilton and the masturbating
Machine ( I only want to play with myself) Murphy piss away opportunities

Too bad , there are some good boys on the squad....

- robbies

Rielly was the player that screened Subban on the 2nd of the McCabe goals.....
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:16 AM ET
Their, I agree with you. The Defense on both of the McCabe goals was not good. But, both goals Subban had no chance to stop them. What made Subban look bad was the fact that Binnington came in and played extremely well. He was excellent.
- tomburton99


Yeah, I don't lay all the blame on him, 3 of the 4 were screens. But he was scrambling on the 1st, which sets in panic and loss of thinking and he loses the puck. the worst part was the 5 Canadian players that were below the dots. On the 2nd and 3rd he was screened but on one he didnt seem to track the puck very well, nor did he seem to communicate well with his Dmen. the other was just a sweet toedrag move.

So of those 3 goal 100% credit goes to Team USA player. the other 2 should have been defended better by Team Canada, all 6 players. Even stoping those 2 goals does not stop the fact that Team USA was just plain better in both games over all. they deserved the win in that game.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:17 AM ET
Pretty good rant.

I am a big hockey fan and a huge Canadian booster.

But, I do like seeing team Canada get ripped every once and awhile. Full credit to the American kids. Canadian kids could not skate with them and that is enough to explain the outcome.

The TSN coverage is so biased it is embarrassing. Remember, they said before the tournament that this was a great team, no players were being held back by the NHL.

So, the American kids come out and smoke us. This is not a time for excuses. Why did we lose? American kids were better skaters, Seth Jones was the top Dman in front of his net and Gibson was far and away the better goaltender. We can try to lie to others. But we should not lie to ourselves.

Missing the final two years in a row. Perhaps we, and TSN, need to accept some reality

- spatso


seth jones is very over rated too.

i thought he sucked all tourney, especially in the first canada game.
robbies
Joined: 03.12.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:17 AM ET
I did not think Rielly looked very strong in his own end. Do you really think they would have given up less goals if Rielly had more ice time?
- spatso


I think by that point a guy who plays 25-30 minutes nightly, in the WHL, has
Had his head and his game completely messed with by this incompetant
Incestuous (family bromance for Murphy) coaching gang..
Reinhart sitting tomorrow will give Spott no option but to play Rielly..
Watch him shine!!
robbies
Joined: 03.12.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:18 AM ET
Rielly was the player that screened Subban on the 2nd of the McCabe goals.....
- tomburton99


The puck bounced that way , he had zero chance to escape.....
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Jan 4 @ 10:18 AM ET
I did not think Rielly looked very strong in his own end. Do you really think they would have given up less goals if Rielly had more ice time?
- spatso



He's talking about PPs.. not 5 on 5 ice time. I agree with him Rielly looked way better than Murphy did.

Also, why didn't Canada have that 7th Dman as a PP specialist, like in past years? You could have got a guy like Ceci, who struggles in his own end at times, and bascially only played him on the PP, with a few shifts when the other team has their 3rd and 4th lines out. The guy has great patience with the puck and a cannon of a shot, both of which Murphy seemed to lack. There was plenty of room to have that 'specialist'.

From now on, the Canadain junior team should have a GM. No more allowing the coaching staff to pick the team.

This year it was so obvious. Murphy didn't even deserve to be on the team, yet he got 1st and 1st pp unit mins! What a joke!

If you have a GM (or a coach from OUTSIDE juinor hockey like when Patt Quinn coached), picking the team, there will be no homerism and there is a much better chance the best possible team is picked.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:18 AM ET
Rielly was the player that screened Subban on the 2nd of the McCabe goals.....
- tomburton99


thats because his D partner got dangled and he tried to block/cut off the angle.

he did screen though, but id sayu 90% of = shots there is some sort of screening on the shot.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:20 AM ET
He's talking about PPs.. not 5 on 5 ice time. I agree with him Rielly looked way better than Murphy did.

Also, why didn't Canada have that 7th Dman as a PP specialist, like in past years? You could have got a guy like Ceci, who struggles in his own end at times, and bascially only played him on the PP, with a few shifts when the other team has their 3rd and 4th lines out. The guy has great patience with the puck and a cannon of a shot, both of which Murphy seemed to lack. There was plenty of room to have that 'specialist'.

From now on, the Canadain junior team should have a GM. No more allowing the coaching staff to pick the team.

This year it was so obvious. Murphy didn't even deserve to be on the team, yet he got 1st and 1st pp unit mins! What a joke!

If you have a GM (or a coach from OUTSIDE juinor hockey like when Patt Quinn coached), picking the team, there will be no homerism and there is a much better chance the best possible team is picked.

- Charliebox


great point.
robbies
Joined: 03.12.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:20 AM ET
He's talking about PPs.. not 5 on 5 ice time. I agree with him Rielly looked way better than Murphy did.

Also, why didn't Canada have that 7th Dman as a PP specialist, like in past years? You could have got a guy like Ceci, who struggles in his own end at times, and bascially only played him on the PP, with a few shifts when the other team has their 3rd and 4th lines out. The guy has great patience with the puck and a cannon of a shot, both of which Murphy seemed to lack. There was plenty of room to have that 'specialist'.

From now on, the Canadain junior team should have a GM. No more allowing the coaching staff to pick the team.

This year it was so obvious. Murphy didn't even deserve to be on the team, yet he got 1st and 1st pp unit mins! What a joke!

If you have a GM (or a coach from OUTSIDE juinor hockey like when Patt Quinn coached), picking the team, there will be no homerism and there is a much better chance the best possible team is picked.

- Charliebox



Make Pat Quinn the permanent coach....issue resolved
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
Yeah, I don't lay all the blame on him, 3 of the 4 were screens. But he was scrambling on the 1st, which sets in panic and loss of thinking and he loses the puck. the worst part was the 5 Canadian players that were below the dots. On the 2nd and 3rd he was screened but on one he didnt seem to track the puck very well, nor did he seem to communicate well with his Dmen. the other was just a sweet toedrag move.

So of those 3 goal 100% credit goes to Team USA player. the other 2 should have been defended better by Team Canada, all 6 players. Even stoping those 2 goals does not stop the fact that Team USA was just plain better in both games over all. they deserved the win in that game.

- OilHorse

I'm not trying to pump up the fact that US won. I'm just saying IF the blame should fall on one person is should be Spott, not Subban.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
I know you're upset about the Canada loss, but come on...Canada was doing pretty well up until yesterday's game. It's ONE game. It came together at the right time for USA.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:22 AM ET
seth jones is very over rated too.

i thought he sucked all tourney, especially in the first canada game.

- Neiler

How often do d-men in their draft year look great?

Even Subban, he did little the year after being drafted. Took until 2 years after his draft year to make an impact.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:22 AM ET
I'm not trying to pump up the fact that US won. I'm just saying IF the blame should fall on one person is should be Spott, not Subban.
- tomburton99


4/16 is a Toskala type stat.

i blame the whole team though, they did not come out to play.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:23 AM ET
How often do d-men in their draft year look great?

Even Subban, he did little the year after being drafted. Took until 2 years after his draft year to make an impact.

- Lahey


umm D men in there draft year?

did you see how many D men were picked in the top 15 of the first round last year and their stats?

Seth Jones is over rated, simple as that, as is Dougie Hamilton (who is already drafted). tit for tat.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 4 @ 10:23 AM ET
seth jones is very over rated too.

i thought he sucked all tourney, especially in the first canada game.

- Neiler

he was not good against Canada and Russia during round robin play. H e was good against Slovakia, the Czechs and Canada the second time around. You can't put too much faith in him being good against the czechs and slovaks because those teams are just not that good. The defensmen who sould be getting a lot of the cedit is Trouba, he has been very good.
robbies
Joined: 03.12.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:25 AM ET
4/16 is a Toskala type stat.

i blame the whole team though, they did not come out to play.

- Neiler


Spott and his gang did not have the Canadian boys where they should have
Been mentally......that being said the problem definitely started by keeping
The Reinharts and Wotherspoons on the world instead of Frakie Corrado or Cody Ceci
BarDownBobo
Edmonton Oilers
Location: St. Paul, AB
Joined: 04.11.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:26 AM ET
I love the fact that Broissoit has gone 5-0 with a 1.00 GAA and .963 Save Pct since being cut. It was the stupidest thing ever how they decided the goalies. Goalies are streaky as hell, so go with who's hot. Best two goalies in camp were him and Patterson, and one is cut and the other is third string. They put way too much weight on age, if McDavid isn't there next year I'll be pissed. Skill is skill no matter how old you are.
Neiler
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:27 AM ET
he was not good against Canada and Russia during round robin play. H e was good against Slovakia, the Czechs and Canada the second time around. You can't put too much faith in him being good against the czechs and slovaks because those teams are just not that good. The defensmen who sould be getting a lot of the cedit is Trouba, he has been very good.
- tomburton99


yep i agree, Trouba has been USA's best D man.

i for one am not impressed at all with Jones, to each their own!
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:27 AM ET
umm D men in there draft year?

did you see how many D men were picked in the top 15 of the first round last year and their stats?

Seth Jones is over rated, simple as that, as is Dougie Hamilton (who is already drafted). tit for tat.

- Neiler

Re-read my post and yours.

if you don't understand the difference between a player that was just drafted compared to one that isn't then I'm not commenting any further.

Every year we hear how guys that are going into the draft look like poop at the WJC. You know why? Because they are younger. There is a bigger gap between a 17 and 18 year old than a 23 and 24 year old.
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Jan 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
I'm not trying to pump up the fact that US won. I'm just saying IF the blame should fall on one person is should be Spott, not Subban.
- tomburton99


Yup..never said you were going homer on us...but fact remained, Team USA was the better team in both games.
Trejetta
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2006

Jan 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
My question: Why the hell was Ryan Murphy on the team? He, along with Hamilton, had to be the worst PP defence pair I've ever seen from Canada.

As you pointed out, Ceci should have been there in his place, yet he didn't even get invited to camp! Was Spott scared that Ceci would outshine has boy, Murphy?

The 67's are one of the worst teams in the country. (2nd last in the OHL) and Ceci is almost at a point per game. Contrast that with Murphy who has 4.. yep.. 4 goals this season.

Canada was truly missing a PP specialist. I'm not saying that it was the difference between winning and losing yesterday, but that was a poor decision and reeked of homerism.

- Charliebox


They had one in Rielly but they just didnt utilize him properly. In the limited time he did get he managed to get 4pts while that scrub Murphy played big minutes and did nothing.
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