Oh Bill, why even suggest buying out Bryz? You're just feeding the trolls.

Given the Flyers complete lack of depth at the position I just cant see that happening. Nor can I see them cutting ties with him over a 50 game season. He'd have to be terrible. And I mean terrible for that to happen.

I've called people out for suggesting Briere be bought out in the past, but if the cap were actually going to go down to 60 I think you have to consider it just based on the fact of were this team has depth and where it flat out doesn't.
- hereticpride

Hahah nice. If the new CBA makes his contract unmanageable, then buy him out, but this whole idea of cutting him loose to replace him with a Boucher Leighton tandem that 2 years ago we were sick of is madness IMO. If you could get Luongo here cheap I would be all for it, that is if he could handle the press or being thrown under the bus by fans after his first bad game.

You'll never get the NHLPA to agree to a Cap ceiling without a Cap floor.
- MJL

I dont understand why they wouldnt push for no cap and a luxury tax system....then teams who want to spend to the moon could, and the tax would bring in more than the system they have, or dont have now, would bring in.

I dont understand why they wouldnt push for no cap and a luxury tax system....then teams who want to spend to the moon could, and the tax would bring in more than the system they have, or dont have now, would bring in.
- Pyzik

I guess that depends on who they is. The biggest reason I can think of is that the Owners have zero desire to give any of their money to other Owners of the struggling teams.

I guess that depends on who they is. The biggest reason I can think of is that the Owners have zero desire to give any of their money to other Owners of the struggling teams.
- MJL

of course they (big market teams) dont, yet going forth all CBA's will have that in it....regardless of what they want.

of course they (big market teams) dont, yet going forth all CBA's will have that in it....regardless of what they want.
- Pyzik

Yes it will have revenue sharing. But the percentages should be higher.

I agree with your premise on that. The 65M Cap hit helps the transition. As long as the 50/50 split is maintained and escrow takes care of that. I don't see what the big deal is from the NHL's end.
- MJL

I dont understand that at all either. I would think that the 50/50 split should dictate it. What is the rationale from the NHL's perspective to make it artificially lower (if that is how the math works out)?

Haven't been on here in a long time what with the lockout still going on. Hope everyone is well.

My 2 cents on the CBA negotiations: Like Bill & many others, I think a deal will get done before 1/11. What irks me is that we could have had this issue resolved before the season even started if they had been hammering out a new deal in June. A lot of stupidity being shown from some really smart guys.

I dont understand why they wouldnt push for no cap and a luxury tax system....then teams who want to spend to the moon could, and the tax would bring in more than the system they have, or dont have now, would bring in.
- Pyzik

The NHLPA did push for the luxury tax back in 2004, ultimately settled for cap system that didn't solve issues. Just like a 50-50 split now won't really solve anything.

I dont understand that at all either. I would think that the 50/50 split should dictate it. What is the rationale from the NHL's perspective to make it artificially lower (if that is how the math works out)?
- FlyersFirst

Well to be clear, using the math puts it at 60M. It would be artificially making it higher to go above 60M.

Haven't been on here in a long time what with the lockout still going on. Hope everyone is well.

My 2 cents on the CBA negotiations: Like Bill & many others, I think a deal will get done before 1/11. What irks me is that we could have had this issue resolved before the season even started if they had been hammering out a new deal in June. A lot of stupidity being shown from some really smart guys.
- NickTheKid87

Yep, I think that's the general consensus. I just want to see it done so we can figure out what to do with the roster within the new rules. I hope we don't have to lose guyslike Matt Read etc to get compliant for next season.

Bill, just wanted to thank you again for keeping us updated on all of our guys over seas and in Juniors. You are THEE source for hockey for me for the last couple of months. I'm from Wilmington but live in Grapevine, TX now. Next time you come down maybe we can grab some coffee and talk about how awesome the Flyers are doing this year.

Yep, I think that's the general consensus. I just want to see it done so we can figure out what to do with the roster within the new rules. I hope we don't have to lose guyslike Matt Read etc to get compliant for next season.
- Hextall271

Read has such a manageable salary that I think he'd be fine. It would suck if we had to keep Schenn and/or Couturier in the AHL or something though.

Read has such a manageable salary that I think he'd be fine. It would suck if we had to keep Schenn and/or Couturier in the AHL or something though.
- NickTheKid87

Well this year Read has a manageable salary, but I think he is up for a raise next summer. He will get it and I hope it's here. Cooter and Schenn will be with us. For some, the biggest worry is Bryz and his contract but for me it's upgrading the D corps.

Well this year Read has a manageable salary, but I think he is up for a raise next summer. He will get it and I hope it's here. Cooter and Schenn will be with us. For some, the biggest worry is Bryz and his contract but for me it's upgrading the D corps.
- Hextall271

I agree. The only issue with buying out Bryz is that there might not be any better options. The last thing we need is Leighton as our starting goalie. Or worse, Rick DiPietro.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and 2012-13 Cap Ceiling; Friday Hockey Fix
- bmeltzer

and all at the price of a lockout that has prevented the teams (such as the Flyers) that actually drive the League's economic engine from doing their thing.

bingo


an extra 5 million on the cap amongst 30 teams.... 150 mill total per season... compared with how many millions per day that the NHL is currently losing? this is all so stupid

I agree. The only issue with buying out Bryz is that there might not be any better options. The last thing we need is Leighton as our starting goalie. Or worse, Rick DiPietro.
- NickTheKid87

Well, I don't think there are better options. I don't want to end up with someones backup and Leighton.

Well, I don't think there are better options. I don't want to end up with someones backup and Leighton.
- Hextall271

I'm still trying to forget the Robert Esche, Jeff Hackett, Brian Boucher, Martin Biron, Antero Niittymaki years.

Pronger is the first buyout for sure, if allowed. Bryz or Briere? Unless Bryz has a good shortened season, it's at least an option Homer should look at. Possible replacements?

UFAs:
Jimmy Howard - 2.25mil
Mike Smith - 2mil
Niklas Backstrom - 6mil
Thomas Greiss - 587k
Evgeni Nabokov - 2.75mil
Jose Theodore - 1.5mil
Tim Thomas - 5mil

RFAs:
Tuuka Rask - 3.5mil
Steve Mason - 2.9mil
BOB - 1.75mil
Jacob Markstrom - 1.3mil
Jonathan Bernier - 1.25mil
Michal Neuvirth - 1.15mil
Jhonas Enroth - 675k
Ben Bishop - 650k
Braden Holtby - 637k

Trades/Buyouts:
Roberto Luongo - 5.33mil
Antti Niemi - 3.8mil
Ryan Miller - 6.25mil

Depending on what teams like Buffalo (Miller/Enroth), San Jose (Niemi/Greiss), LA (Quick/Bernier), Washington (Holtby/Neuvirth), and Ottawa (Anderson/Leiner/Bishop) do, some of these guys listed might be options.

I personally would like to wipe our hands clean of Bryz/Leighton after a shortened season, unless somehow we win the cup. My choices, if they were options, would be to grab a guy like Bernier with a veteran back-up. Bernier is a good age to grow with our younger core, although there would be growing pains. Howard is intriguing, would be cheaper than Bryz's contract, younger, and not crazy. Depends on what Detroit does with him.

Thoughts?

Pronger is the first buyout for sure, if allowed. Bryz or Briere? Unless Bryz has a good shortened season, it's at least an option Homer should look at. Possible replacements?

UFAs:
Jimmy Howard - 2.25mil
Mike Smith - 2mil
Niklas Backstrom - 6mil
Thomas Greiss - 587k
Evgeni Nabokov - 2.75mil
Jose Theodore - 1.5mil
Tim Thomas - 5mil

RFAs:
Tuuka Rask - 3.5mil
Steve Mason - 2.9mil
BOB - 1.75mil
Jacob Markstrom - 1.3mil
Jonathan Bernier - 1.25mil
Michal Neuvirth - 1.15mil
Jhonas Enroth - 675k
Ben Bishop - 650k
Braden Holtby - 637k

Trades/Buyouts:
Roberto Luongo - 5.33mil
Antti Niemi - 3.8mil
Ryan Miller - 6.25mil

Depending on what teams like Buffalo (Miller/Enroth), San Jose (Niemi/Greiss), LA (Quick/Bernier), Washington (Holtby/Neuvirth), and Ottawa (Anderson/Leiner/Bishop) do, some of these guys listed might be options.

I personally would like to wipe our hands clean of Bryz/Leighton after a shortened season, unless somehow we win the cup. My choices, if they were options, would be to grab a guy like Bernier with a veteran back-up. Bernier is a good age to grow with our younger core, although there would be growing pains. Howard is intriguing, would be cheaper than Bryz's contract, younger, and not crazy. Depends on what Detroit does with him.

Thoughts?
- Rocktane

I've always liked Mike smith's game, but you have to think he will be re signed. Still irks me we abandoned Bob, but that's the cap. If the cap goes down, we may have to get rid of Bryz, maybe Briere and then replace Timonen with some scrub.. Bettman's plan to screw us will be in fulll effect lol.. The final four will be Phoenix Columbus Florida and the Islanders. LOL

All kidding aside, Homer normally finds a way to navigate through the cap waters.. I just think the org will get rid of Bryz unless he completely poops the bed this short season.

bingo


an extra 5 million on the cap amongst 30 trams.... 150 mill total per season... compared with how many millions per day that the NHL is currently losing? this is all so stupid
- Don'tForgetTocchet

If the 30 NHL Owners had the brains of 30 Daves, we'd never have a lockout.

Read has such a manageable salary that I think he'd be fine. It would suck if we had to keep Schenn and/or Couturier in the AHL or something though.
- NickTheKid87

Look at Wayne Simmonds Cap hit. If Read picks up where he left off of last year, what do you think it's going to cost to re-sign him? I think Read is a better overall player then Simmonds is.

Pronger is the first buyout for sure, if allowed. Bryz or Briere? Unless Bryz has a good shortened season, it's at least an option Homer should look at. Possible replacements?

UFAs:
Jimmy Howard - 2.25mil
Mike Smith - 2mil
Niklas Backstrom - 6mil
Thomas Greiss - 587k
Evgeni Nabokov - 2.75mil
Jose Theodore - 1.5mil
Tim Thomas - 5mil

RFAs:
Tuuka Rask - 3.5mil
Steve Mason - 2.9mil
BOB - 1.75mil
Jacob Markstrom - 1.3mil
Jonathan Bernier - 1.25mil
Michal Neuvirth - 1.15mil
Jhonas Enroth - 675k
Ben Bishop - 650k
Braden Holtby - 637k

Trades/Buyouts:
Roberto Luongo - 5.33mil
Antti Niemi - 3.8mil
Ryan Miller - 6.25mil

Depending on what teams like Buffalo (Miller/Enroth), San Jose (Niemi/Greiss), LA (Quick/Bernier), Washington (Holtby/Neuvirth), and Ottawa (Anderson/Leiner/Bishop) do, some of these guys listed might be options.

I personally would like to wipe our hands clean of Bryz/Leighton after a shortened season, unless somehow we win the cup. My choices, if they were options, would be to grab a guy like Bernier with a veteran back-up. Bernier is a good age to grow with our younger core, although there would be growing pains. Howard is intriguing, would be cheaper than Bryz's contract, younger, and not crazy. Depends on what Detroit does with him.

Thoughts?
- Rocktane

Assuming a shortened season, I'd like to see how Bryz plays before he's bought out. I would love to see the Flyers get Jimmy Howard but I can't see Detroit letting him go. Backstrom, Theodore, Thomas & Nabokov are all on the wrong side of 35 (or will be soon i.e. Backstrom) not to mention Thomas is a nutter. If Luongo and/or Miller were bought out I'd want little to do with Bobby Lu & Miller is extremely overrated at this point of his career (he peaked in 2010) and will sure to be paid too much for too long.

All the RFAs are either not going anywhere (Rask, Markstrom, Holtby/Neuvirth), are unknowns (Bernier, Enroth, Bishop, Holtby/Neuvirth) or are Steve Mason. Don't see BOB as an option either.

Greiss is another unknown leaving the only 2 guys that intrigue me being Niemi & Smith. I could easily see both staying put or both guys collapsing in Philly. Smith has had one good year basically. I'll need more proof he's a legit number one. Just my opinion though.

EDIT: Too be clear, if Miller was bought out and could be had for less than Bryz then I'd take Miller.

Look at Wayne Simmonds Cap hit. If Read picks up where he left off of last year, what do you think it's going to cost to re-sign him? I think Read is a better overall player then Simmonds is.
- MJL

That's the worry as Bill stated before. Such a versatile guy, I don't want to lose him, but decisions are gonna have to be made. Just blows my mind that Bettman is catering to the bottom feeder teams that can't make ends meet because no one cares in their particular City while the bread winners are getting screwed.

Anyone think Nashvilles going to trade weber in july LOL

If the 30 NHL Owners had the brains of 30 Daves, we'd never have a lockout.
- Flyskippy

i have no interest in studying all the finer details, but the big picture of this situation really grinds my gears