Meh...the Leafs with Kuli....the Leafs without Kuli....really no difference.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed

He's outplaying everyone.
- robin_steele264

Except Grigorenko. Tied with Jake McCabe and just infront of Andrei started 2 games Makarov

okay, when was this?

and thats not showing up late.. thats pushing a meeting back.. two different things.

the union has setup meetings and just not showed up on time. without notifying the league.. shady as (frank) imo.
- Dozzer

They set a meeting, and didn't attend. Both have done so.

The pa advised they were late when it happened.

Same situation, only one taking flak.


EDIT: that happened this week

Meh...the Leafs with Kuli....the Leafs without Kuli....really no difference.
- Fakepartofme

right.

Would you if it cost you a million or more bucks?
- Leafland

No idea where a million bucks is coming from here.

Do you not find it a tad bizarre that the side that places the blame is also the side that refuses to allow holes in the system to be fixed?

AND... the fix doesn't take more money (overall) from the players. It *might* impact 10% or it *might* impact more than that, but the overall salaries are not reduced by contract length or variance.

Meh...the Leafs with Kuli....the Leafs without Kuli....really no difference.
- Fakepartofme

Depends which Kuli, the defensively strong fairly physical 15 goal 40 points guy, the 30 goal defensively good slightly physical guy, or the 7 goal looking lost half the time and flubbing golden chances guy.

Most are.

I started out with the players... then got sick of them crying.

At this point I've become apathetic.

Players get about 10% support in any poll Ive seen.
- robin_steele264

Silly. I hope the players make out like bandits. I sure as hell relate to the hockey players more than some blood diamond CEO.

Silly. I hope the players make out like bandits. I sure as hell relate to the hockey players more than some blood diamond CEO.
- Leafland

I'm in the players camp. Their both very rich, but the players are the product.

Depends which Kuli, the defensively strong fairly physical 15 goal 40 points guy, the 30 goal defensively good slightly physical guy, or the 7 goal looking lost half the time and flubbing golden chances guy.
- AdamFrench

HE WAS BATTLING DEPRESSION YOU INSENSITIVE PIECE OF poop!

Silly. I hope the players make out like bandits. I sure as hell relate to the hockey players more than some blood diamond CEO.
- Leafland

They players will make out like bandits, they do every time.

But they are spoiled brats and totally out of touch.

They hate Bettman... Im sure most of them dont even know their pay has gone up 10 fold since he took the job.

They players will make out like bandits, they do every time.

But they are spoiled brats and totally out of touch.

They hate Bettman... Im sure most of them dont even know their pay has gone up 10 fold since he took the job.
- robin_steele264

Amen.

Silly. I hope the players make out like bandits. I sure as hell relate to the hockey players more than some blood diamond CEO.
- Leafland

But, the players work for the Owners.. It is the tail wagging the dog, if the players get their way..

I'm in the players camp. Their both very rich, but the players are the product.
- faceto27

No, they are not the product.

Hockey still exists if every member of the NHLPA vanishes from the planet.

yes, the NY Post article.. that isnt changing how HRR works.. just who penalizes the teams that arent honest.

the article also states that bettman stupidly told the players that there were some GMs who regretted signing some of the contracts (dumb dumb move by Bettman)... i believe this is what upset the players more than anything.

as for the proposal of Bettman being the only one to administer punishment for HRR reporting violations it was pulled from the table the moment the players objected.. so I have a hard time believing that this little thing is what stalled everything... especially when the league conceded their position.

my guess? Fehr is stalling til he gets his authority to break up the union again.

from what i am hearing ongoing talks are still happening via a federal mediator.. which leads me to believe its not nearly doom and gloom as some are suggesting.
- Dozzer

The end result is nothing will occur until the absolute final drop dead date of next Monday (I believe its Monday)....Which was the NHL's plan all along.
They met with a mediator last night and they'll meet large group later today. This will continue for next week or so.....as it as for the past 110 days.
Each side thinks they have the other right where they want them.

Again, its Bettman (and to a lesser extent - it's Fehr) we are talking about.....I completely believe it could be a little thing to stall the process.

They set a meeting, and didn't attend. Both have done so.

The pa advised they were late when it happened.

Same situation, only one taking flak.


EDIT: that happened this week
- burn

if you advise the other side you are going to be late thats ok

the PA has shown up late WITHOUT advising... the NHL has not.

thats the problem.. meetings get pushed back all the time.. but its only sheisty if you dont tell the other side you are going to be late.

HE WAS BATTLING DEPRESSION YOU INSENSITIVE PIECE OF poop!
- Pecafan Fan

Christ, half the guys in the country can say that... But they still show up and play hard even in Beer Leagues..

No, they are not the product.

Hockey still exists if every member of the NHLPA vanishes from the planet.
- robin_steele264

Hockey still exists if every owner vanishes too.

And Yes, they ARE the product.

HE WAS BATTLING DEPRESSION YOU INSENSITIVE PIECE OF poop!
- Pecafan Fan

Solution:

if you advise the other side you are going to be late thats ok

the PA has shown up late WITHOUT advising... the NHL has not.

thats the problem.. meetings get pushed back all the time.. but its only sheisty if you dont tell the other side you are going to be late.
- Dozzer

One time the NHL said they waited over 6 hours for Fehr.

Depends which Kuli, the defensively strong fairly physical 15 goal 40 points guy, the 30 goal defensively good slightly physical guy, or the 7 goal looking lost half the time and flubbing golden chances guy.
- AdamFrench

I think the real kule is the 15-18 goal strong d, fairly physical ( no fighting ) than the others, though Itd be nice if he's the 30 goal guy.

The end result is nothing will occur until the absolute final drop dead date of next Monday (I believe its Monday)....Which was the NHL's plan all along.
They met with a mediator last night and they'll meet large group later today. This will continue for next week or so.....as it as for the past 110 days.
Each side thinks they have the other right where they want them.

Again, its Bettman (and to a lesser extent - it's Fehr) we are talking about.....I completely believe it could be a little thing to stall the process.
- Fakepartofme

sunday is the deadline if the supposed Jan. 19th start date is the drop dead date.

No, they are not the product.

Hockey still exists if every member of the NHLPA vanishes from the planet.
- robin_steele264

Hockey still exist...the NHL doesn't.
So they are the product.

The end result is nothing will occur until the absolute final drop dead date of next Monday (I believe its Monday)....Which was the NHL's plan all along.
They met with a mediator last night and they'll meet large group later today. This will continue for next week or so.....as it as for the past 110 days.
Each side thinks they have the other right where they want them.

Again, its Bettman (and to a lesser extent - it's Fehr) we are talking about.....I completely believe it could be a little thing to stall the process.
- Fakepartofme

i am guessing this too.

these guys are both guys who like to take things to the brink.. both believe they can get whats best if they do.

my guess is the next couple days we will see little movement than bam, a deal will be struck with both sides basically meeting each other halfway on whatever issues are left.

if you advise the other side you are going to be late thats ok

the PA has shown up late WITHOUT advising... the NHL has not.

thats the problem.. meetings get pushed back all the time.. but its only sheisty if you dont tell the other side you are going to be late.
- Dozzer

They have advised, both of them, only one took flak

Christ, half the guys in the country can say that... But they still show up and play hard even in Beer Leagues..
- bixll