You never read any of my posts then.
- burn

i read them all.

and yet again.. you dismiss the question and dont answer it.

what i am hearing now is that bettman told the players (for some unknown reason) that there contracts some GMs regretted signing which irked the players and made them upset.

which frankly, makes a hell of alot more sense.

http://www.nypost.com/p/b...i0wtRMC6yCM#axzz2H1pRqnrY

Furthest from the truth.

Both are (frank)ed.
- burn

No you've been a hardcore PA supporter from the get go.

Yesterday the league waited for the pa. And they didn't show up. Burnt another day.



Great negotiating.
- robin_steele264

But the pa has never waited for the league to come, for them to not so up right.... Like a dozen times. Never happened.

sure.... I wouldn't be to worried.
- burn

You 2 just both proved my point...No wonder it has taken this long..

But the pa has never waited for the league to come, for them to not so up right.... Like a dozen times. Never happened.
- burn

we arent going to take your word for it.

prove it. when did the NHL fail to show up on time for a pre-determined meeting?

i have honestly looked.. and cant find anything.

nope.. i asked for a quote from a player or union rep.. not from a reporter.
- Dozzer

sure... And how do you suppose I get a quote from one of them without a reporter? A quote direct from an NHL player isn't sufficient?

sure... And how do you suppose I get a quote from one of them without a reporter? A quote direct from an NHL player isn't sufficient?
- burn

how bout put a name to that player?

as in so and so said.. not some generic reference to an NHL player.

RE: Kuli/Oilers, not going to happen.

EDM is not going to give up a top tier prospect/player for Kulemin and TOR is not going to give up a physical, defensive winger who's shown he has the potential to score 30 for any of Gagner, Paajarvi, Hemsky. They've already got a better 2nd line C than Gagner and smaller soft forwards is the last thing the Leafs need.

we arent going to take your word for it.

prove it. when did the NHL fail to show up on time for a pre-determined meeting?

i have honestly looked.. and cant find anything.
- Dozzer

I cannot quote your post above, regarding the hrr issues yesterday for some reason.


Your stance on it, isn't the issue, this is:

The NHL, we’re told, attempted a late change in the language regarding penalties for clubs caught hiding Hockey Related Revenue (HRR) through audits by the NHLPA.
The previous CBA, and previous proposals, stipulated that clubs in violation of HRR-reporting requirements would be fined $1M plus the loss of one first-round draft pick for a first offense, with a second offense carrying a fine of $5M plus three first-round picks.
The NHL on Thursday attempted to change that so that Bettman himself would decide all the penalties. The league withdrew the changes when the PA objected.

RE: Kuli/Oilers, not going to happen.

EDM is not going to give up a top tier prospect/player for Kulemin and TOR is not going to give up a physical, defensive winger who's shown he has the potential to score 30 for any of Gagner, Paajarvi, Hemsky. They've already got a better 2nd line C than Gagner and smaller soft forwards is the last thing the Leafs need.
- 1979AD

yeah no way burke would make that deal.. it just wouldnt make sense.

yeah no way burke would make that deal.. it just wouldnt make sense.
- Dozzer

They aren't good trading partners.

They aren't good trading partners.
- robin_steele264

Exactly there is no way Edmonton trades any of their 42 superstars for any AHL life/bust from the Leafs.

Exactly there is no way Edmonton trades any of their 42 superstars for any AHL life/bust from the Leafs.
- AdamFrench

The shot has been fired...

Exactly there is no way Edmonton trades any of their 42 superstars for any AHL life/bust from the Leafs.
- AdamFrench

Agreed.


Buffalo would be the only suitable partner for the Oilers as they are GRIGOSTACKED

The PA and their supporters are fond of blaming the owners for creating problems with their own stupidity.

The PA however is fighting to make sure that the owners cannot fix the problem by closing the loopholes. Their argument is based on some theory (unproven) about the negative salary effect on the "middle class".

So basically "We blame you for creating the problem, but we are not going to let you fix it as it MIGHT negatively impact the "middle class" of the PA".

I cannot quote your post above, regarding the hrr issues yesterday for some reason.


Your stance on it, isn't the issue, this is:

The NHL, we’re told, attempted a late change in the language regarding penalties for clubs caught hiding Hockey Related Revenue (HRR) through audits by the NHLPA.
The previous CBA, and previous proposals, stipulated that clubs in violation of HRR-reporting requirements would be fined $1M plus the loss of one first-round draft pick for a first offense, with a second offense carrying a fine of $5M plus three first-round picks.
The NHL on Thursday attempted to change that so that Bettman himself would decide all the penalties. The league withdrew the changes when the PA objected.
- burn

yes, the NY Post article.. that isnt changing how HRR works.. just who penalizes the teams that arent honest.

the article also states that bettman stupidly told the players that there were some GMs who regretted signing some of the contracts (dumb dumb move by Bettman)... i believe this is what upset the players more than anything.

as for the proposal of Bettman being the only one to administer punishment for HRR reporting violations it was pulled from the table the moment the players objected.. so I have a hard time believing that this little thing is what stalled everything... especially when the league conceded their position.

my guess? Fehr is stalling til he gets his authority to break up the union again.

from what i am hearing ongoing talks are still happening via a federal mediator.. which leads me to believe its not nearly doom and gloom as some are suggesting.

we arent going to take your word for it.

prove it. when did the NHL fail to show up on time for a pre-determined meeting?

i have honestly looked.. and cant find anything.
- Dozzer

“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Update: meeting now expected to start at 9 pm ET. League needed extra time to complete its response to NHLPA counter.”

“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHLPA announces full committee bargaining session pushed back to 630 pm/7 pm ET range”

Exactly there is no way Edmonton trades any of their 42 superstars for any AHL life/bust from the Leafs.
- AdamFrench

I had no idea EDM had as many super prospects as Buffalo!?

Agreed.


Buffalo would be the only suitable partner for the Oilers as they are GRIGOSTACKED
- robin_steele264

I hear the trade rumour is Joel Armia for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov

No you've been a hardcore PA supporter from the get go.
- robin_steele264

As opposed to being a supporter of the owners??

The PA and their supporters are fond of blaming the owners for creating problems with their own stupidity.

The PA however is fighting to make sure that the owners cannot fix the problem by closing the loopohole. Their argument is some theory (unproven) about the salary effect on the "middle class".

So basically "The problems are caused by you, but we are not going to let you fix them".
- Aetherial

Would you if it cost you a million or more bucks?

RE: Kuli/Oilers, not going to happen.

EDM is not going to give up a top tier prospect/player for Kulemin and TOR is not going to give up a physical, defensive winger who's shown he has the potential to score 30 for any of Gagner, Paajarvi, Hemsky. They've already got a better 2nd line C than Gagner and smaller soft forwards is the last thing the Leafs need.
- 1979AD

Meh...the Leafs with Kuli....the Leafs without Kuli....really no difference.

“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Update: meeting now expected to start at 9 pm ET. League needed extra time to complete its response to NHLPA counter.”

“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHLPA announces full committee bargaining session pushed back to 630 pm/7 pm ET range”
- burn

okay, when was this?

and thats not showing up late.. thats pushing a meeting back.. two different things.

the union has setup meetings and just not showed up on time. without notifying the league.. shady as (frank) imo.

As opposed to being a supporter of the owners??



- faceto27

Most are.

I started out with the players... then got sick of them crying.

At this point I've become apathetic.

Players get about 10% support in any poll Ive seen.

I hear the trade rumour is Joel Armia for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov
- AdamFrench

He's outplaying everyone.