Agreed, that's why I don't think it will happen. I believe the rumor indicated that they showed interest and the Leafs said "no thanks"
- mikeinbuffalo

No Augello, go with the Franson + Kuli for Eberle trad idea...run with it...RUN!!!!
I need something to smile about.

It still angers me the Leafs passed on this guy

And what price is that?

The NHL changed the language, and it hasn't derailed anything.
- Pen15

And PA is getting another mandate on DOI. Who knows maybe a deal was possible earlier, maybe things fall apart completely. We don't know what if anything has been derailed

so how bout them blue jays?
- Neiler

They are gonna suck this year. They need to trade some prospects for some stars.


Ok hold on......

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

League source says all "changes" to Article 50 were highlighted and flagged and the union has had docs for a week.

Money wise, the NHL is not even in the same league (no pun intended).
I wasnt comparing the two, he brought up baseball. I believe the bottom team is paying about 23 million or something like that.
They still are comparable though, bottom teams in MLB paying out 55 million and generated (receiving more revenue sharing) compare to NHL teams paying out 40 million and receiving less revenue sharing.
Now the discrepency between to the top and bottom paying teams in MLB is absolutely ridiculous.
But even then, the higher paying teams aren't the ones always winning.
- Fakepartofme

and i agree on all points. i just think that the NHL would have a hard time keeping top tier talent (especially from overseas) in the fold if there is no financial reason for a player to play here.

take someone like carl gunnarson, who in a capless world would likely not be playing for the leafs.. better and more high tier players would come to toronto to make the big payday so someone like gunnarsson would go to a small market team where he would likely get paid.. oh..lets say 400grand as opposed to the 1.25mill he is due to make this season

now, looking at something like the SEL where the average salary is around 400K why would he move from his home to come play in another league for the same money?

he likely wouldnt.. and this would be the case for alot of euro guys i would imagine.. dropping the overall talent level of the league

And PA is getting another mandate on DOI. Who knows maybe a deal was possible earlier, maybe things fall apart completely. We don't know what if anything has been derailed
- Canada Cup

And that is all I wanted to hear...

for sure.

i mean realistically the leafs dont need anyone in the bottom 6 for years to come, we have a ton of bottom 6 talent, and its young.

we need to add top 6 talent, hell, we have the money too.

2 goalies for 2.5 mil.
after this season we lose half our roster, and a few big ones too (connolly, lombardi).

i say we use our bottom 6 guys from marlies, etc.
and we use our $ to add getzlaf.

lupul-getzlaf-kessel
JVR-grabovski-kadri
frattin-bozak-kulemin
brown-mcclemment-komarov

thats a playoff team if the D and G hold up!
- Neiler

Still need a real goalie.

This true but

I think the point Dozzer is that the PA and Fehr have been crucified on these boards for all kinds of negotiating tactics. The owners made a stupid and clumsy move and are getting called out on it.
- Canada Cup

but it isnt a seedy tactic.. they made a change.. highlighted it and gave it back to the players

thats is completely legitimate negotiating.. thats not a seedy tactic whatsoever.

Well, like the NHL and PA, I think we mostly agree and we're now arguing about nickles and dimes - but, I do disagree. The hard cap and revenue sharing system in the NHL helps competitive balance. Without bigger tv revenue, like the NFL, I'm not sure a open or tax system would work nearly as well in the NHL - in terms of balance. The only low budget MLB team to win was Florida in 03' (Tampa got there in 08') otherwise the world series appearances have been dominated by big budget teams ...and will continue to unless things are changed.

As a Leaf fan I'm all for trying though.
- The Law

I agree that it is hard to compare systems. My bigger issue is that I don't think a cap/floor work where there is so much economic disparity. League wil come after layers every CBA to fix the problems caused by low revenue teams being unable to keep up with big revenue generators.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

League source says all "changes" to Article 50 were highlighted and flagged and the union has had docs for a week.
- awfside

and there ya go

And that is all I wanted to hear...
- Pen15

Quick hug and I'm gone

and there ya go
- Dozzer

Ah Dreger.

but it isnt a seedy tactic.. they made a change.. highlighted it and gave it back to the players

thats is completely legitimate negotiating.. thats not a seedy tactic whatsoever.
- Dozzer

Showing up to a meeting 2hrs late is however.

and i agree on all points. i just think that the NHL would have a hard time keeping top tier talent (especially from overseas) in the fold if there is no financial reason for a player to play here.

take someone like carl gunnarson, who in a capless world would likely not be playing for the leafs.. better and more high tier players would come to toronto to make the big payday so someone like gunnarsson would go to a small market team where he would likely get paid.. oh..lets say 400grand as opposed to the 1.25mill he is due to make this season

now, looking at something like the SEL where the average salary is around 400K why would he move from his home to come play in another league for the same money?

he likely wouldnt.. and this would be the case for alot of euro guys i would imagine.. dropping the overall talent level of the league
- Dozzer

I hear what you are saying, but in a capless world, Gunner (or any player like him)wouldn't be making less...in fact, their salaries would probably be inflated.
Also, if a player wants to play with the best players in the world, you play in the NHL.
Also, losing Gunner or guys like him....wouldn't mess with the overall talent in the league that much. Tjhey are replaceable.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

League source says all "changes" to Article 50 were highlighted and flagged and the union has had docs for a week.
- awfside

Oh that shady league...

Showing up to a meeting 2hrs late is however.
- Pen15

he had to do his hair, thats at least 1 hour.

he had to put on his hair, thats at least 1 hour.
- Neiler

fixed.

I guess you told those that ripped the pa for their rumoured (falsely) change to hhr earlier this week they were wrong.
- burn

Pssst: Burn - it's HRR. Hockey Related Revenues.

This is HHR:



Sorry, but it's been driving me nuts for 10 pages.

Pssst: Burn - it's HRR. Hockey Related Revenues.

This is HHR:



Sorry, but it's been driving me nuts for 10 pages.
- Atomic Wedgie

hate that car.

first off i dont remember that.. secondly.. i would of argued the PA was well within their right to do so.

there is no right and wrong here.. why some people cant see that is beyond me.
- Dozzer

I think he is talking about when the rumor went out about the NHLPA wanting future expansion and relocation fees to be part of the HRR.

No Augello, go with the Franson + Kuli for Eberle trad idea...run with it...RUN!!!!
I need something to smile about.

It still angers me the Leafs passed on this guy
- Fakepartofme

yeah it happens, but eberele i think is the best out of all them on EDM.

and i agree on all points. i just think that the NHL would have a hard time keeping top tier talent (especially from overseas) in the fold if there is no financial reason for a player to play here.

take someone like carl gunnarson, who in a capless world would likely not be playing for the leafs.. better and more high tier players would come to toronto to make the big payday so someone like gunnarsson would go to a small market team where he would likely get paid.. oh..lets say 400grand as opposed to the 1.25mill he is due to make this season

now, looking at something like the SEL where the average salary is around 400K why would he move from his home to come play in another league for the same money?

he likely wouldnt.. and this would be the case for alot of euro guys i would imagine.. dropping the overall talent level of the league
- Dozzer

I doubt the talent level would drop that much, because there would inevitably be contraction.

And the other thing is this: the difference between the 6th and 7th d on any team and the 1st and 2nd d on the farm team is a lot less than people think.

I think he is talking about when the rumor went out about the NHLPA wanting future expansion and relocation fees to be part of the HRR.
- markmark

I asked this before of the great thinking minds on Hockeybuzz: why is that such an outrageous request?

Is it not "hockey related?"

So why wouldn't it be considered "hockey related revenues?"

Hell, I'm all for it, for one reason: it would make it less attractive for the owners to come up with an expansion scheme.

I doubt the talent level would drop that much, because there would inevitably be contraction.

And the other thing is this: the difference between the 6th and 7th d on any team and the 1st and 2nd d on the farm team is a lot less than people think.
- Atomic Wedgie

fair enough. i can agree with that.

but the NHL pre-euro invasion was nowhere nears what is was after. and thats not speculation.. thats fact.

On a separate (but relevant to the blog) note, if Toronto trades Kuli for any of the mentioned Oilers I'll lose my poop.