safe to say savard's 4mill wont be counting against the cap tho

prolly have to let horton and ference walk and augment the roster with guys from their own system..

with the extra 4mill savard's contract buys them its possible.. not pretty.. but possible
- Dozzer

Thats the thing. They have the system to do just that. Boston is in great shape going forward. (thanks to a big help from the Leafs)

The cap can't rise next year. They are setting it at 60mil for 2013-13 (Assuming they agree to it).

Pronger retiring doesn't help. He's a 35+ signee, meaning he counts regrardless. If he's active, but on IR they save though.
- burn

i imagine snyder is more than capable just paying out that contract and leaving him on the IR

and i doubt the pronger camp would have any issue with holding off on retirement if this is the case

The cap can't rise next year. They are setting it at 60mil for 2013-13 (Assuming they agree to it).

Pronger retiring doesn't help. He's a 35+ signee, meaning he counts regrardless. If he's active, but on IR they save though.
- burn

See, they have options. And again, buyouts, demotions and trades.

Its not going to be as bad as most think. We're not including buyouts, demotions and trades.

For example, when you look at Bostons figures it includes Savard. Its misleading. Most of these teams will be fine.
- systemtool

They are still going to have issues. It's not going to be a cakewake. Even excluding Savard they have 7mil and they have to fill 8 spots (some significant part too, like a starting goalie).

They are still going to have issues. It's not going to be a cakewake. Even excluding Savard they have 7mil and they have to fill 8 spots (some significant part too, like a starting goalie).
- burn

No doubt they will, but those issues are for the most part workable. Again, you're not including the buy out option or demotions or trades.

Thats the thing. They have the system to do just that. Boston is in great shape going forward.
- systemtool

losing horton would likely be the hardest thing.. but the rest of the core would remain intact.. not as bad as it seems

See, they have options. And again, buyouts, demotions and trades.
- systemtool

still unsure about this.. the NHL still pushing for any 1mill plus contracts to count against the cap even if in the AHL with this latest offer?

"BOOM" nothing. I read that too.

This CBA is completely different from any other, so "history" doesn't necessarily apply. Remember what the term "amnesty" means.

One thing that history has shown is that this lockout has been the most ridiculously (frank)in' embarrassing event in any major sport, EVER!
- As_I_See_It

So you are questioning wether they go the same way?? I think you're incredibly naive if you think they wont follow the same rules.

Yean, well I know they don't allow it now in normal circumstances, and I see in the link that the last time we had an amnesty buyout they didn't allow it, but I really think they will this time.

Burkie has the Leafs set up nicely going forward
- faceto27

Anyone want to comment on Burke's "5 year plan" now?

After the CBA has been settled and all the teams have had their fire sale in order to meet the cap, given the solid state that the Leafs are in financially, it will be very interesting to see what the team looks like by the start of next season; Burke's 5 year anniversary in November.

still unsure about this.. the NHL still pushing for any 1mill plus contracts to count against the cap even if in the AHL with this latest offer?
- Dozzer

I didnt hear about this. Now this could change a lot...

See, they have options. And again, buyouts, demotions and trades.
- systemtool

I know, but it's not going to be easy.

Anyone want to comment on Burke's "5 year plan" now?

After the CBA has been settled and all the teams have had their fire sale in order to meet the cap, given the solid state that the Leafs are in financially, it will be very interesting to see what the team looks like by the start of next season; Burke's 5 year anniversary in November.
- As_I_See_It

The Leafs are in good shape, but I wouldnt say solid. That said, I agree that it should be interesting.

No doubt they will, but those issues are for the most part workable. Again, you're not including the buy out option or demotions or trades.
- systemtool

It's still a headache though.

Would you rather waste time bloodying your knuckles and getting frustrated by tinkering around with your hot rod or just fire it up and drive straight out of your garage like the Leafs?

I know, but it's not going to be easy.
- burn

Thats a given. Neither is winning a Stanley Cup.

They'll be fine, despite this turbulence.

still unsure about this.. the NHL still pushing for any 1mill plus contracts to count against the cap even if in the AHL with this latest offer?
- Dozzer

Exactly.

It's still a headache though.

Would you rather waste time bloodying your knuckles and getting frustrated by tinkering around with your hot rod or just fire it up and drive straight out of your garage like the Leafs?
- Tee-Dot

Of course its a headache. The transition will be a headache for just about any team with a sustained level of success prior to the lock out. But a headache is a lot different that saying they are "(frank)ed" or doomed.

Burkie has the Leafs set up nicely going forward
- faceto27

That comes with the good and the bad, not having any player worth signing to a long ass expensive contract ain't exactly a bright spot.

They are still going to have issues. It's not going to be a cakewake. Even excluding Savard they have 7mil and they have to fill 8 spots (some significant part too, like a starting goalie).
- burn

saying they have 8 roster spots to fill is misleading.. they still have 11 forwards and 5 defensemen under contract for that year..

so really.. only 7 spots to fill.. half of which will go to rask.

the extras can be fringe guys.. signed for less than a mill each, lets say an average of 700K (x4)

bringing up their total to 6.3million to fill the roster

giving them a cap compliant total of approx. 59.6mill

not as bad as it looks

So you are questioning wether they go the same way?? I think you're incredibly naive if you think they wont follow the same rules.

Yean, well I know they don't allow it now in normal circumstances, and I see in the link that the last time we had an amnesty buyout they didn't allow it, but I really think they will this time.


- burn

Soooo?...

I didnt hear about this. Now this could change a lot...
- systemtool

it was def part of the last offer.. not entirely sure about this one.

saying they have 8 roster spots to fill is misleading.. they still have 11 forwards and 5 defensemen under contract for that year..

so really.. only 7 spots to fill.. half of which will go to rask.

the extras can be fringe guys.. signed for less than a mill each, lets say an average of 700K (x4)

bringing up their total to 6.3million to fill the roster

giving them a cap compliant total of approx. 59.6mill

not as bad as it looks
- Dozzer

Buy out Kelly or Peverely and you have an extra 3+ million. Theyll be fine.

it was def part of the last offer.. not entirely sure about this one.
- Dozzer

I sure hope not. That was one area Toronto could have used their financial advantage to help the team...

Buy out Kelly or Peverely and you have an extra 3+ million. Theyll be fine.
- systemtool

buying out one of those two allows them the cap space to resign ference, but not horton.. i think horton's time as a bruin might be coming to an end.. (if this deal is accepted by the PA)

then again, there is the "you never know factor"... people get hurt.. and go on the long time IR.. there is nothing guaranteeing Boston doesnt end up with a second savard scenario

Of course its a headache. The transition will be a headache for just about any team with a sustained level of success prior to the lock out. But a headache is a lot different that saying they are "(frank)ed" or doomed.
- systemtool

I never said they were "(frank)ed" or doomed.

I sure hope not. That was one area Toronto could have used their financial advantage to help the team...
- systemtool

but didnt.

other than finger burke doesnt like dumping guys in the minors.. and finger wasnt his signing either.

thats the kind of move burke opposes. so as long as he remains the GM i doubt the leafs take advantage of that anyways