Not true.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tea...4&hubname=nhl-maple_leafs

Also, I think they said Gardiner is ready to be back any day now.

Why is Gysbers there ahead of Holzer, Fraser and Kostka?
- burn

yeah i have already stood corrected on the franson part

and i hope you are right about gardiner

i know i know.. but dont be so hung up on lupul just yet either.. he has had one great year.. that was cut short by injury.... again

his last full season was 4 years ago in 08-09

in his 8 year career he has only come close to playing 3 full seasons..

as he gets older that type of stuff starts to worsen.

lupul needs to show two things in this short season

1: he is durable enough to take the pounding in what would be a high energy season

2: he can work under carlyle

not trying to bash him here, dont get me wrong, i just think there are enough question marks to sort out before banking on him moving forward
- Dozzer

Im not hung up on Lupul, but due to a lack of options and suitable replacements, Lupul has become like Obi Wan. Our only hope. I dont like this cold truth anymore than you do, but its the sad state of the Leafs team. I also dont mind over paying him a little if it means the team doesnt lose him only to trade assets to replace him.

Saving close to 4 mil on the cap in the process?? Doesn't sound too stupid to me.
- burn

meh, i'm on the fence.. dont get me wrong.. not against buying out komi, its just that i am for exploring the idea of trading for a bad contract to get a young player or prospect back before i say buying out komi should be the default choice

So you're saying a first rounder/top prospect is worth $20 million on the open market??

I don't think their worth that much. I think you need at least 3 top prospects/first rounders to make it worth while.

If your Wang (not the fans) is saving $40 million dollars worth it?

Your drowning in red ink......... I think the Wang would direct management to do so.
- faceto27

and kill all hope of the future?? Duoubtful.

That is an astronomically high price. Insane.

Saving close to 4 mil on the cap in the process?? Doesn't sound too stupid to me.
- burn

Its not 4 million. You still need a replacement for him.

Leafs D is set, with lots of depth.

The team desperately needs a vet goalie, or back up goalie behind Reims, and big bodies with offensive upside to help the Habish forwards...
- systemtool

Yup.

Im not hung up on Lupul, but due to a lack of options and suitable replacements, Lupul has become like Obi Wan. Our only hope. I dont like this cold truth anymore than you do, but its the sad state of the Leafs team. I also dont mind over paying him a little if it means the team doesnt lose him only to trade assets to replace him.
- systemtool

well... depends on what comes back.. i expect alot of player movement in the first couple years if this particular deal is ratified

meh, i'm on the fence.. dont get me wrong.. not against buying out komi, its just that i am for exploring the idea of trading for a bad contract to get a young player or prospect back before i say buying out komi should be the default choice
- Dozzer

I see your point. But it comes down to whether that prospect is Gardiner or Ashton. Usually its hard to tell without using hindsight, but if its an Ashton level prospect its not worth it IMO.

I see your point. But it comes down to whether that prospect is Gardiner or Ashton. Usually its hard to tell without using hindsight, but if its an Ashton level prospect its not worth it IMO.
- systemtool

oh to dish out that kind of coin it would have to be a high level prospect certainly

no disagreements there

Buy out Komi sign Scuderi

and kill all hope of the future?? Duoubtful.

That is an astronomically high price. Insane.
- burn

Were talking about Charles Wang here. The Isles have on average lost 24 million per year over the past 12 years.

Thats over $288 million dollars.

Its not 4 million. You still need a replacement for him.
- faceto27

Hes off by 100,000k. Dont split hairs.

Komi makes 4.5

Kostka makes .6, Holzer .575

meh, i'm on the fence.. dont get me wrong.. not against buying out komi, its just that i am for exploring the idea of trading for a bad contract to get a young player or prospect back before i say buying out komi should be the default choice
- Dozzer

Sure, that be a great option. If you can get a real nice top prospect or a high #1 then yeah. I don't see that happening though. We took 3.75mil from NASH and we got Franson.

I don't see to many team lining up to dump their assets for that. The ones with biggest issues can afford to do it themselves. The others I don't think can afford to move their picks and prospects.

we'll see.

Were talking about Charles Wang here. The Isles have on average lost 24 million per year over the past 12 years.

Thats over $288 million dollars.
- faceto27

His problem isnt one player. His problem is the lack of a new arena, lack of fan support, and bottom feeding.

Buy out Komi sign Scuderi
- AdamFrench

think the kings are gonna let him go? they will need affordable dependable d-men at reasonable prices as bad as anyone

Its not 4 million. You still need a replacement for him.
- faceto27

Missed "Close to"...... 4.5mil replaced by MArlie is pretty close to 4. If they replace with Kostka or Fraser it's 3.9, if it Holzer it's 3.925. Close enough to 4 for you??

Sure, that be a great option. If you can get a real nice top prospect or a high #1 then yeah. I don't see that happening though. We took 3.75mil from NASH and we got Franson.

I don't see to many team lining up to dump their assets for that. The ones with biggest issues can afford to do it themselves. The others I don't think can afford to move their picks and prospects.

we'll see.
- burn

i am not saying this should be the absolute only option, just saying it might be worth investigating

does anyone know if the sump salary in the AHL restrictions are still in place with the latest offer? ie: makes more than a million it counts against the cap regardless of league?

Missed "Close to"...... 4.5mil replaced by MArlie is pretty close to 4. If they replace with Kostka or Fraser it's 3.9, if it Holzer it's 3.925. Close enough to 4 for you??
- burn

that would be alot of unproven youth on the blue line... then again if the cost is komi its not really a loss

however, i wouldnt be surprised if komi at least played adequately under carlyle's system either.

Buy out Komi sign Scuderi
- AdamFrench

Perfect guy to play with Phaneuf

that would be alot of unproven youth on the blue line... then again if the cost is komi its not really a loss

however, i wouldnt be surprised if komi at least played adequately under carlyle's system either.
- Dozzer

I like Komi as a person. Seems genuine and a good guy deep down. I wouldnt mind him staying. I hope he does turn his career around, it seems like he works hard and really cares about the team and his performance.

Don't know why we're still talking about this.

I'm right, you're all wrong.

Move on.

Missed "Close to"...... 4.5mil replaced by MArlie is pretty close to 4. If they replace with Kostka or Fraser it's 3.9, if it Holzer it's 3.925. Close enough to 4 for you??
- burn

Is Kostka or Holzer the same talent wise as Komi?? Very tough to compare a AHL defensemen to a NHL playing calibre

Were talking about Charles Wang here. The Isles have on average lost 24 million per year over the past 12 years.

Thats over $288 million dollars.
- faceto27

And that's my point. NYI doesn't need to buyout - they're already cap compliant, and will have no issue next year.

Targeting a bottom cap team that will finish top5 draft pick is useless because it's not going to happen. They don't need the buyout,a nd they need the picks/prospects. You're trying to take something they need for doing something they don't need. It makes no sense.

look at teams that can't get under the cap for starters.

Don't know why we're still talking about this.

I'm right, you're all wrong.

Move on.
- jbold

Because there is not much else to discuss and this snow dump outside is depressing.

From what I'm seeing on Capgeek, there is really isn't a "terrible" contract that the Leafs can't deal with either because they're not overly inflated (some might argue), but even if they are, the term isn't unbearable either. If anything, Grabovski's contracts stands out the most to me, but he likely wouldn't be bought out because that contract was just signed. I doubtful Burke pulls another Ron Wilson "Christmas bonus" here.

However, Burke is a genius when it comes to trades. There are PLENTY of teams out there that have multiple buyout considerations. If the Leafs weren't going to use their buyout on a current player, there is nothing stopping Burke from acquiring one of these players for next to nothing and leveraging the Leafs' wealth with a "buyout and resign." I believe the team that buys out the player has first rights. An agreement can be put in place prior to the buyout.

In short, the player makes more money; The Leafs upgrade; Team "X" receives the cap relief they require in order to meet compliance... EVERYBODY WINS!

Book it!