That team is already on the books to pay that salary, whether they keep him or buy him out. So why wouldnt they rather just keep him than buy him out?
- systemtool

Ask the Habs about Gomez. Redden, yashin etc etc

Ask the Habs about Gomez. Redden, yashin etc etc
- faceto27

I dont need to. I know their answer. They can afford to buy them out. If they couldnt afford to buy them out, then thats a different story and they might as well keep the warm body.

You should ask Burke about Komi.

I'm talking about another team.

Why would another team trade young valuable players, just to get rid of a bad contract, when they can just buyout that bad contract?



Look at it this way.


Would you trade Kadri, just to get rid of Komisarek? Or would you just buy Komisarek out?
- jbold

because they cant afford to buyout the contract

you really think someone like the islanders could afford to hand over a lump sum payment of just over 40million to dipietro?

because they cant afford to buyout the contract

you really think someone like the islanders could afford to hand over a lump sum payment of just over 40million to dipietro?
- Dozzer

They have no choice but to do it.

You really think MLSE is going to pay Dipietro 40 million dollars just to add a pick and or prospect? Then on top of that, still be stuck with Komi? Nobody can be that stupid, but this is the Leafs and Leaf nation.

I dont need to. I know their answer. They can afford to buy them out. If they couldnt afford to buy them out, then thats a different story and they might as well keep the warm body.

You should ask Burke about Komi.
- systemtool

in fairness.. komi is only signed for one more season beyond this one

but to keep a 5 million dollar contract on the books for the next ten years is another matter altogether.

now for wealthy teams.. this poses an interesting question.. look at the nucks.. with a buyout option in the CBA luongo's trade value just went down... no one will pay for that contract now.. not if they can just sit back and wait for gillis to buy him out

I dont need to. I know their answer. They can afford to buy them out. If they couldnt afford to buy them out, then thats a different story and they might as well keep the warm body.

You should ask Burke about Komi.
- systemtool

Okay look at it this way.

The Isles are paying million to DiPietro and Yashin. They'd like to improve their team using the same budget dollars. They can't do that as long as they have to pay the above mentioned duo. They trade those players off their books, freeing up the money that they can use to improve the team.

in fairness.. komi is only signed for one more season beyond this one

but to keep a 5 million dollar contract on the books for the next ten years is another matter altogether.

now for wealthy teams.. this poses an interesting question.. look at the nucks.. with a buyout option in the CBA luongo's trade value just went down... no one will pay for that contract now.. not if they can just sit back and wait for gillis to buy him out
- Dozzer

If we're going to be all about fairness, the cap drops to 60 million next year and Komis contract has to be dealt with before then.

They have no choice but to do it.

You really think MLSE is going to pay Dipietro 40 million dollars just to add a pick and or prospect? Then on top of that, still be stuck with Komi? Nobody can be that stupid, but this is the Leafs and Leaf nation.
- systemtool

ok in fairness i am using a rather extreme example.. but my point still stands.

i mean it does happen.. look at the franson deal... franson was had for nothing because we took back lombardi.. things like this do happen

If we're going to be all about fairness, the cap drops to 60 million next year and Komis contract has to be dealt with before then.
- systemtool

You don't get it, yet you state that you do.

Komi is only for one year. Longer term contracts out there that teams want to rid themselves from.

Okay look at it this way.

The Isles are paying million to DiPietro and Yashin. They'd like to improve their team using the same budget dollars. They can't do that as long as they have to pay the above mentioned duo. They trade those players off their books, freeing up the money that they can use to improve the team.
- faceto27

This all make sense, if the Islanders are planning to send Tavares with that player to make it happen. Otherwise no team is going to take on insane amounts like that for a prospect and/or pick.

Your theory only seems plausible if the contract is only 1-3 years and totals not much more than 10-14 million range. Not 40 million!

If we're going to be all about fairness, the cap drops to 60 million next year and Komis contract has to be dealt with before then.
- systemtool

disagree with this.. the leafs as of right now would have 20mill to spend under that cap.

augment with youth (since prospects will starting being ready to make the jump) and voila, non issue

You don't get it, yet you state that you do.

Komi is only for one year. Longer term contracts out there that teams want to rid themselves from.
- faceto27

using the buyout on a one year contract would be silly

you'd buy komi out and just have to turn around and spend the money on another mid to bottom pairing d-man

This all make sense, if the Islanders are planning to send Tavares with that player to make it happen. Otherwise no team is going to take on insane amounts like that for a prospect and/or pick.

Your theory only seems plausible if the contract is only 1-3 years and totals not much more than 10-14 million range. Not 40 million!
- systemtool

A team like the Leafs WOULD providing the return is feasible.

using the buyout on a one year contract would be silly

you'd buy komi out and just have to turn around and spend the money on another mid to bottom pairing d-man
- Dozzer

Dozzer......... what is taking on a 40 million dollar contract worth in a trade for the Leafs. Lets use the Isles as the team in question.

A couple of firsts and a top end prospect?

For D grit we need both Komi and Holzer (as backup)...buyout Armstrong's buyout if allowed, or Lombardi's 3.5m uninsured....if Luongo gets bought out, sign him for 3-4 years..keep both Scrivens and Reimer for this season and then make a trade decision
- JIMI-JAMES

What does uninsured have to do with anything? Lombardi is only around till summer 2013. No point in buying him out.

We don't need komi as much as some think. Frazer and or Holzer can replace Komi for 1/5 of the price.


Can't buy out a buyout.

disagree with this.. the leafs as of right now would have 20mill to spend under that cap.

augment with youth (since prospects will starting being ready to make the jump) and voila, non issue
- Dozzer

They would have 18 million, not 20.

Also, there is so much work to be done to this roster that 18 million wont cut it. Considering you have to resign Lupul just to stay status quo which wasnt good enough to begin with.

Dozzer......... what is taking on a 40 million dollar contract worth in a trade for the Leafs. Lets use the Isles as the team in question.

A couple of firsts and a top end prospect?
- faceto27

for 40mill? ok now let me say i brought this up as an extreme.. and systemtool is prolly right about it being unrealistic.. however.. for the sake of conversation

i'd say a first and a high end prospect would be the cost.. nhl ready or no

you'd buy komi out and just have to turn around and spend the money on another mid to bottom pairing d-man
- Dozzer

No you wouldnt. Promote Holzer or Kostka.

both lombardi and connolly are FA after this season tho.. by the time the buyouts happen (likely in the offseason) they wouldnt even be under contract any longer.

also, something to consider here... if gardiner is shelved for awhile and franson is locked in overseas for the entire season, the leafs D looks a lil sparse heading into the season.

phaneuf, liles, gunnarsson, komisarek, gysbers, and ?
- Dozzer

Not true.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tea...4&hubname=nhl-maple_leafs

Also, I think they said Gardiner is ready to be back any day now.

Why is Gysbers there ahead of Holzer, Fraser and Kostka?

Buyout Komi sign Scuderi

Not true.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tea...4&hubname=nhl-maple_leafs

Also, I think they said Gardiner is ready to be back any day now.

Why is Gysbers there ahead of Holzer, Fraser and Kostka?
- burn

Leafs D is set, with lots of depth.

The team desperately needs a vet goalie, or back up goalie behind Reims, and big bodies with offensive upside to help the Habish forwards...

for 40mill? ok now let me say i brought this up as an extreme.. and systemtool is prolly right about it being unrealistic.. however.. for the sake of conversation

i'd say a first and a high end prospect would be the cost.. nhl ready or no
- Dozzer

So you're saying a first rounder/top prospect is worth $20 million on the open market??

I don't think their worth that much. I think you need at least 3 top prospects/first rounders to make it worth while.

If your Wang (not the fans) is saving $40 million dollars worth it?

Your drowning in red ink......... I think the Wang would direct management to do so.

They would have 18 million, not 20.

Also, there is so much work to be done to this roster that 18 million wont cut it. Considering you have to resign Lupul just to stay status quo which wasnt good enough to begin with.
- systemtool

i know i know.. but dont be so hung up on lupul just yet either.. he has had one great year.. that was cut short by injury.... again

his last full season was 4 years ago in 08-09

in his 8 year career he has only come close to playing 3 full seasons..

as he gets older that type of stuff starts to worsen.

lupul needs to show two things in this short season

1: he is durable enough to take the pounding in what would be a high energy season

2: he can work under carlyle

not trying to bash him here, dont get me wrong, i just think there are enough question marks to sort out before banking on him moving forward

Leafs D is set, with lots of depth.

The team desperately needs a vet goalie, or back up goalie behind Reims, and big bodies with offensive upside to help the Habish forwards...
- systemtool

Leafs goalie situation is set.

Roberto Luongo

using the buyout on a one year contract would be silly

you'd buy komi out and just have to turn around and spend the money on another mid to bottom pairing d-man
- Dozzer

Saving close to 4 mil on the cap in the process?? Doesn't sound too stupid to me.