He can't handle the pressure of a big market like Philly and they better use the amnesty on him cause that contract he has is crap and everyone knows it...
- Flyfreaky

Without a doubt they will use the amnesty clause on him. Bank on it.

While the draft is a beautiful thing, the Flyers really need a #1 right now...I had zero confidence going into this season with that dilapidated defense and that (frank)ing mental donut hole between the pipes...
- Flyfreaky

Timonen can still play at a high level. And they have Coburn, Grossmann, and Luke Schenn. They will be fine defensively. Where they might have some issues is with puck movement, offensive support from defenseman, and on the PP. A lot depends on how healthy Meszaros will be. There are some issues there, but I wouldn't call the Flyers defense dilapidated. And I think we'll see a completely different Bryzgalov this Season.

Without a doubt they will use the amnesty clause on him. Bank on it.
- faceto27

I would bank against it.

Bryzgalov is the Flyers starting Goalie. There isn't anything that needs to be addressed there. If he fails, then the Flyers are screwed. Just like any other team would be. Not winning the Cup is certainly not the same as the further damage that a lost Season would incur on everyone involved.
- MJL

The best part of the new deal is that the Flyers get to see if Bryz can find his game in a shortened season before deciding if he's worth the last 7 years.....personally I think he will be fine....and we will see the "March's" Bryz .....I hope I'm right.

Timonen can still play at a high level. And they have Coburn, Grossmann, and Luke Schenn. They will be fine defensively. Where they might have some issues is with puck movement, offensive support from defenseman, and on the PP. A lot depends on how healthy Meszaros will be. There are some issues there, but I wouldn't call the Flyers defense dilapidated. And I think we'll see a completely different Bryzgalov this Season.
- MJL

Luke Schenn..........

I would bank against it.
- MJL

Crack is a dangerous drug

He can't handle the pressure of a big market like Philly and they better use the amnesty on him cause that contract he has is crap and everyone knows it...
- Flyfreaky

One Season doesn't prove that he can't handle the pressure in Philly. And if he plays as he is capable of, the contract isn't an issue.

While the draft is a beautiful thing, the Flyers really need a #1 right now...I had zero confidence going into this season with that dilapidated defense and that (frank)ing mental donut hole between the pipes...
- Flyfreaky

I think, and believe, that Seth Jones is NHL ready.

You might as well fold the team. It could be a long time before both those positions get addressed. You're going for a hail mary, or praying for miracles if you think either issue will change much by losing this season anymore than playing it.

Its been about a decade since Philly had a legit #1 elite goalie, and there arent many teams willing to lose their #1 dmen. And you think losing half a season will help change this?

Timonen can still play at a high level. And they have Coburn, Grossmann, and Luke Schenn. They will be fine defensively. Where they might have some issues is with puck movement, offensive support from defenseman, and on the PP. A lot depends on how healthy Meszaros will be. There are some issues there, but I wouldn't call the Flyers defense dilapidated. And I think we'll see a completely different Bryzgalov this Season.
- MJL

I do like the guys we have on d, but man, we really need a #1 back there and I don't know why you're defending Bryz...He sucks and everyone knows it...I'm not happy with this team winning a pile of games, taking the first round and then BAM! Knocked out in the second round...It's the Cup or nothing as far as I'm concerned...

The best part of the new deal is that the Flyers get to see if Bryz can find his game in a shortened season before deciding if he's worth the last 7 years.....personally I think he will be fine....and we will see the "March's" Bryz .....I hope I'm right.
- landros 2

Exactly. The buyout can't be used until the off season. So if he falls on his face this Season, then it's available to them to use. But I don't think it's going to happen. We'll see.

I do like the guys we have on d, but man, we really need a #1 back there and I don't know why you're defending Bryz...He sucks and everyone knows it...I'm not happy with this team winning a pile of games, taking the first round and then BAM! Knocked out in the second round...It's the Cup or nothing as far as I'm concerned...
- Flyfreaky

Bryzgalov doesn't suck and everyone doesn't know it!


Ask Bill Meltzer about it and see what he says.

Luke Schenn..........


- faceto27

Lots of upside with that kid.

Luke Schenn..........


- faceto27

Shenn is a nice #3 with #2 potential...He was dying a slow and painful death in Toronto...

Bryzgalov doesn't suck and everyone doesn't know it!


Ask Bill Meltzer about it and see what he says.
- MJL

Well, I hope you and Bill are right, cause that would mean we'd win the Cup and I'd love to say I was wrong following that scenario...

Well, I hope you and Bill are right, cause that would mean we'd win the Cup and I'd love to say I was wrong following that scenario...
- Flyfreaky

Here's a newsflash. Bryzgalov could play out of his mind. That doesn't guarantee the Cup. I think it's at least a couple of Season until this team is ready for that.

I think, and believe, that Seth Jones is NHL ready.

You might as well fold the team. It could be a long time before both those positions get addressed. You're going for a hail mary, or praying for miracles if you think either issue will change much by losing this season anymore than playing it.

Its been about a decade since Philly had a legit #1 elite goalie, and there arent many teams willing to lose their #1 dmen. And you think losing half a season will help change this?
- systemtool

This coming from a Leaf fan.....amusing.

Yeah, Fehr and the PA leadership will (frank) this up.......again.
- scootty

Brilliant - the owners take two weeks to move to add a year to contract length and increase the variance and you're worried about the PA (frank)ing this up? Instead of responding to the player's last proposal, Gary has a little meltdown and withdrew the league proposals by voice mail.

As Fehr has been saying, the two sides are not that far apart and it looks like they might actually negotiate the differences. Now that the owners realize the the PA has strong membership support (98%), they seem prepared to get a deal done.

The most significant elements of this proposal is that a date has been set and the owners have not set pre-conditions for the resumption of talks. Gary seems to realize he won't be able to break the union and that it is better to deal with this PA than risk even the possibility of trying to run a league if they actually decertify.

Here's a newsflash. Bryzgalov could play out of his mind. That doesn't guarantee the Cup. I think it's at least a couple of Season until this team is ready for that.
- MJL

I know nothing guarantees the Cup, but a consistently solid goaltender will certainly help...

Brilliant - the owners take two weeks to move to add a year to contract length and increase the variance and you're worried about the PA (frank)ing this up? Instead of responding to the player's last proposal, Gary has a little meltdown and withdrew the league proposals by voice mail.

As Fehr has been saying, the two sides are not that far apart and it looks like they might actually negotiate the differences. Now that the owners realize the the PA has strong membership support (98%), they seem prepared to get a deal done.

The most significant elements of this proposal is that a date has been set and the owners have not set pre-conditions for the resumption of talks. Gary seems to realize he won't be able to break the union and that it is better to deal with this PA than risk even the possibility of trying to run a league if they actually decertify.
- Canada Cup

And all of this is what was known how long ago by many? Fehr's biggest weapon all along was knowing that the NHL would not have the balls to stand behind it's convictions, and die on that hill. Nor would they be willing to lose a Season. Fehr knows this. And the players have had the balls to stand by their convictions, and as stupidly as it may be, were willing to give up paychecks to do it. If the NHL had come to this realization earlier, as many outside already knew. We'd already be playing.

This coming from a Leaf fan.....amusing.
- landros 2

What difference does it make what team im a fan of? Stop being defensive and immature. The only thing amusing is your deflection of hockey talk to take a personal jab for no good reason. Speaks volumes.

Brilliant - the owners take two weeks to move to add a year to contract length and increase the variance and you're worried about the PA (frank)ing this up? Instead of responding to the player's last proposal, Gary has a little meltdown and withdrew the league proposals by voice mail.

As Fehr has been saying, the two sides are not that far apart and it looks like they might actually negotiate the differences. Now that the owners realize the the PA has strong membership support (98%), they seem prepared to get a deal done.

The most significant elements of this proposal is that a date has been set and the owners have not set pre-conditions for the resumption of talks. Gary seems to realize he won't be able to break the union and that it is better to deal with this PA than risk even the possibility of trying to run a league if they actually decertify.
- Canada Cup

The thing that I've always hated about Gary is that he's not a hockey guy (he's a business guy) and he doesn't understand or have a passion for the game like hockey guys do...He's great for the owners cause he understands their business interests, but he sucks for the sport cause he really doesn't give a sh*t about it...

I know nothing guarantees the Cup, but a consistently solid goaltender will certainly help...
- Flyfreaky

I dont think the other poster is argueing against this, but rather suggesting sacrificing the rest of the season does nothing to fix the problem. Especially when a decision on Bryz is looming.

Without a doubt they will use the amnesty clause on him. Bank on it.
- faceto27

If they buyout Bryz, you understand Michael Frickin Leighton will be the starting goalie right?

Bryz will not be bought out. In fact, Bryz will have a solid career in Philly. You can bank on that.

As far as a buyout goes, Mr. Pronger says hi

But this is all silly because there won't be a buyout.....

Without a doubt they will use the amnesty clause on him. Bank on it.
- faceto27

Doubt they do, how much money left on his deal?

And all of this is what was known how long ago by many? Fehr's biggest weapon all along was knowing that the NHL would not have the balls to stand behind it's convictions, nor would they be willing to lose a Season. Fehr knows this. And the players have had the balls to stand by their convictions, and as stupidly as it may be, were willing to give up paychecks to do it. If the NHL had come to this realization earlier, as many outside already knew. We'd already be playing.
- MJL

Yup!!

It also sets up precedence for the future CBA negotiations. A strong union won't allow the owners to bully them as they did in the past. This lockout was all about the owners trying to break the union and the players showing their resolve for the future.

At the fans expense.

I have that little weasel Bettman.